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Post by Gunnails on Feb 23, 2018 13:50:10 GMT -5
If you have 50 teachers and staff 2 to 3 of them most likely could be trained, it would not be unlikely that 2 or 3 would have combat experience. Most all teachers and staff would be unable or unwilling to pack a sidearm, but not all of them.
My Marine Colonel BIL is a teacher at a HS, he’s been there and done that. One of the teachers, I believe the coach ran to the sound of gunfire and gave his life trying to protect the students he also had a concealed weapons permit but was unable to carry in the gun free campus. I bet he wish he had his gun.
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Post by Hotman on Feb 24, 2018 7:48:34 GMT -5
He should have said Veterans instead of teachers. That's a dumb idea and disaster waiting to happen. IF you can even get those alt left indoctrinators to carry a piece it is only a short matter of time before that thing gets snatched by some bangerz and the whole class gets popped.
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Feb 24, 2018 10:55:29 GMT -5
If you have 50 teachers and staff 2 to 3 of them most likely could be trained, it would not be unlikely that 2 or 3 would have combat experience. Most all teachers and staff would be unable or unwilling to pack a sidearm, but not all of them. My Marine Colonel BIL is a teacher at a HS, he’s been there and done that. One of the teachers, I believe the coach ran to the sound of gunfire and gave his life trying to protect the students he also had a concealed weapons permit but was unable to carry in the gun free campus. I bet he wish he had his gun. High school level, probably more likely you can find 2-3 male teachers (not to sound sexist) who might fit that description. Elementary schools, probably not. I think theres all sorts of reasons not to arm teachers - lack of skills, liability, them getting in the way of actual first responders that want to enter the school. This latest, that 4 sheriff deputies were outside the school and not one did anything, disgusts me.
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Feb 24, 2018 11:13:08 GMT -5
Its hard enough to get a carry permit already in NY State, now you'd want to have teachers applying for them? Take em to the range as part of the interview process? What if not one teacher at a school is willing, do you shuffle staff around? The whole logistics part of it would be bizarrely complicated and not thought through. But its a nice talking point.
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Post by Hotman on Feb 24, 2018 11:39:23 GMT -5
This latest, that 4 sheriff deputies were outside the school and not one did anything, disgusts me. Maybe they were there for the wrong reasons... hmmm nah.... these ppl in power aren't corrupt at all... nevermind
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Post by DDNYjets on Feb 24, 2018 12:51:52 GMT -5
Its hard enough to get a carry permit already in NY State, now you'd want to have teachers applying for them? Take em to the range as part of the interview process? What if not one teacher at a school is willing, do you shuffle staff around? The whole logistics part of it would be bizarrely complicated and not thought through. But its a nice talking point. I dont like the idea of requiring teachers to carry although I do not think that is what is being proposed. Retired police or military would be my top choice. If there are a couple of teachers in the school that want to be a part of the security detail then fine. I think you would see some volunteers. But I dont like the idea of a gun being in the classroom. Perhaps have a security room with live cameras. Put the police in there and whatever volunteer teacher on their free period. Most important is having a secure perimeter. And knowing who is coming in and out. 20 years ago my school that had 4 entrance/exit for vehicles only had one open during school hours and only one set of doors was used as an entrance. The presence of not being a soft target will likely be enough to deter such events from happening. You can achieve a lot with mere posturing.
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Post by DDNYjets on Feb 24, 2018 12:59:32 GMT -5
Yet some people want to have teachers who have never faced live fire or had any training carry guns in schools now, and expect positive results. This is an asinine idea. My 26 year old is a school teacher. The thought of her running toward an active shooter with a gun drawn is not only laughable but fucking scary shit. I take her to the range and she cannot hit a B28 from 15 feet and no one is shooting at her. I agree. If you have a couple teachers that are willing and qualified such as ex-military or police then fine. But I wouldnt require or rely on teachers for this. Most are women and the men are betas. Lets be honest. And I dont want guns in the classroom. Retired police or miltary is a much better idea.
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Post by BushytheLobster on Feb 24, 2018 13:23:13 GMT -5
This is an asinine idea. My 26 year old is a school teacher. The thought of her running toward an active shooter with a gun drawn is not only laughable but fucking scary shit. I take her to the range and she cannot hit a B28 from 15 feet and no one is shooting at her. I agree. If you have a couple teachers that are willing and qualified such as ex-military or police then fine. But I wouldnt require or rely on teachers for this. Most are women and the men are betas. Lets be honest. And I dont want guns in the classroom. Retired police or miltary is a much better idea. Not to mention all the things that could potentially go very, very wrong such as students getting hold of a teacher's gun, first responders at a shooting mistaking the armed teacher for the shooter, or a teacher accidentally shooting a student. Way too many things that could go tragically wrong.
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Post by Big L on Feb 24, 2018 13:49:12 GMT -5
I agree. If you have a couple teachers that are willing and qualified such as ex-military or police then fine. But I wouldnt require or rely on teachers for this. Most are women and the men are betas. Lets be honest. And I dont want guns in the classroom. Retired police or miltary is a much better idea. Not to mention all the things that could potentially go very, very wrong such as students getting hold of a teacher's gun, first responders at a shooting mistaking the armed teacher for the shooter, or a teacher accidentally shooting a student. Way too many things that could go tragically wrong. Was just going to write that - what if police mistake armed teacher for the shooter and kill a teacher instead?
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Post by DDNYjets on Feb 24, 2018 15:41:31 GMT -5
Not to mention all the things that could potentially go very, very wrong such as students getting hold of a teacher's gun, first responders at a shooting mistaking the armed teacher for the shooter, or a teacher accidentally shooting a student. Way too many things that could go tragically wrong. Was just going to write that - what if police mistake armed teacher for the shooter and kill a teacher instead? Definitely a possibility. But if these people know someone is armed on the premises the odds of them choosing that target are greatly lessened. Which is why ex police or military is a perfect solution. This is something that can be done tomorrow. Doesnt require laws being passed. What can we do to keep our kids safe right now? That is what needs to be focused on. No matter where you stand on AR-15 debate you have to realize that isnt happening overnight. But our schools are still soft targets.
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Post by 32Green on Feb 24, 2018 17:29:37 GMT -5
Its hard enough to get a carry permit already in NY State, now you'd want to have teachers applying for them? Take em to the range as part of the interview process? What if not one teacher at a school is willing, do you shuffle staff around? The whole logistics part of it would be bizarrely complicated and not thought through. But its a nice talking point. I dont like the idea of requiring teachers to carry although I do not think that is what is being proposed. Retired police or military would be my top choice. If there are a couple of teachers in the school that want to be a part of the security detail then fine. I think you would see some volunteers. But I dont like the idea of a gun being in the classroom. Perhaps have a security room with live cameras. Put the police in there and whatever volunteer teacher on their free period. Most important is having a secure perimeter. And knowing who is coming in and out. 20 years ago my school that had 4 entrance/exit for vehicles only had one open during school hours and only one set of doors was used as an entrance. The presence of not being a soft target will likely be enough to deter such events from happening. You can achieve a lot with mere posturing. Agreed. Teachers, a bad idea and on posturing. Once it is established the place is protected by armed security, the wind goes out of their sails...although, the way this was handled by the Broward County Police seems to belie my point. You need to have committed, alert, vigilant guards, not some guy trying to skate to a pension while staring at HS girls. Also, the system for acting upon early warning Mental Health signs is obviously FUBAR'ed. There was plenty of info on this latest fucker for several different agencies to act and take his rifle...and they all sh*t the bed. Been reading alot of stuff that suggests the Broward County SHerrif was in bed with the politicians who were looking to sh*tcan bad stats, allowing a virtual criminal enterprise of bottom-feeding kids, including this shitbird.. free to act with impunity. Love to see a RICO done on their arses if so.
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Post by DDNYjets on Feb 24, 2018 18:04:36 GMT -5
I dont like the idea of requiring teachers to carry although I do not think that is what is being proposed. Retired police or military would be my top choice. If there are a couple of teachers in the school that want to be a part of the security detail then fine. I think you would see some volunteers. But I dont like the idea of a gun being in the classroom. Perhaps have a security room with live cameras. Put the police in there and whatever volunteer teacher on their free period. Most important is having a secure perimeter. And knowing who is coming in and out. 20 years ago my school that had 4 entrance/exit for vehicles only had one open during school hours and only one set of doors was used as an entrance. The presence of not being a soft target will likely be enough to deter such events from happening. You can achieve a lot with mere posturing. Agreed. Teachers, a bad idea and on posturing. Once it is established the place is protected by armed security, the wind goes out of their sails...although, the way this was handled by the Broward County Police seems to belie my point. You need to have committed, alert, vigilant guards, not some guy trying to skate to a pension while staring at HS girls. Also, the system for acting upon early warning Mental Health signs is obviously FUBAR'ed. There was plenty of info on this latest fucker for several different agencies to act and take his rifle...and they all sh*t the bed. Been reading alot of stuff that suggests the Broward County SHerrif was in bed with the politicians who were looking to sh*tcan bad stats, allowing a virtual criminal enterprise of bottom-feeding kids, including this shitbird.. free to act with impunity. Love to see a RICO done on their arses if so. Securing the schools is only one part of a larger equation. Mental health. How we handle warnings. The powers we give schools, police and judges. The sense I get is that the Broward Sheriff is a pseudo-politician. He has to be in bed with them to get elected sheriff. Hopefully the Feds look into this stuff but I have little faith in them. Especially our waste of an Attorney General. They know how to crack down on colleges giving poor black kids money to play basketball. But when a criminal falls in their lap they shit the bed.
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Post by Trades on Feb 26, 2018 9:33:54 GMT -5
He should have said Veterans instead of teachers. That's a dumb idea and disaster waiting to happen. IF you can even get those alt left indoctrinators to carry a piece it is only a short matter of time before that thing gets snatched by some bangerz and the whole class gets popped. Is it?
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Mar 1, 2018 12:24:29 GMT -5
Interesting comments from Trump yesterday... looks like hes willing to compromise, and pushing Congress to compromise, if only to be the first President on either side to actually get something done.
A little taken aback by this comment, but its at times challenging to parse what he means sometimes:
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Post by tkasper01 on Mar 1, 2018 12:35:18 GMT -5
Interesting comments from Trump yesterday... looks like hes willing to compromise, and pushing Congress to compromise, if only to be the first President on either side to actually get something done. A little taken aback by this comment, but its at times challenging to parse what he means sometimes: He was referring to nutjobs or alleged/potential nutjobs. He said take the guns and then eval them and if they check out they get them back but to remove the threat immediately until more is known about the owner.
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