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Post by Ff2 on Aug 24, 2021 15:46:11 GMT -5
Damned if we do, damned if we don't. That's been the problem from Day 1. Which is why hopefully, maybe we will learn? There are NO good outcomes when we do this shit. Except SOME people made a shit ton of money. I can only imagine where the military industrial complex will decide to go next. Who needs our "help"?
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Post by RobR on Aug 24, 2021 16:12:07 GMT -5
The definition of "hypothetical" is not something imagined but not true. The closest to your definition is "hypothetical" is something imagined but not necessarily true. It is conjecture based on hypothesis. There are 2 reasons to speak hypothetically in this instance. 1 is to point out that we think Biden is a nightmare and pose a logical hypothetical conjecture based on what we know of other past Presidents or candidates actions or statements regarding similar circumstances. 2 is to help people understand that all of the hypothetical bullshit they were fed against Trump and in favor of Biden is what got us exactly where we are today. It is also kind of the idea behind a bunch of idiots talking on a message board. All of our opinions here on football and politics are hypothetical and the only reason to point that out in a condescending manner is to try and silence, insult or condemn other's opinions. TL;DR: If we don't discuss hypotheticals here how are we going to save the world and get the Jets to the Super Bowl? I definitely don't want to silence anyone, it's just more interesting, for me at least, to analyze where we are now, come up with solutions, and advocate for them. For me, talking about what Sanders, Trump, Cruz, Gabbard, etc. would have done if they were president feels like its looking backward as a "well if my candidate had won, this wouldn't be happening." I get it's a message board full of hypotheticals, I guess I could ask what people here would like to see happen instead of engaging in what-could-have-beens. Hypothetically though, what if the Jets never existed, wouldn't all our lives be just that much less stressful? I'm not sure why you're comparing presidential hopefuls versus the actual POTUS who actually got the deal done. Talk about comparing apples and oranges.
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Post by cgjet on Aug 24, 2021 17:28:09 GMT -5
Nice smoke and mirrors show addressing the press by Joe. Attempting to change the narrative to anything but Afghanistan while trying to plow through $3.5T with his fellow crooks Pelosi and Schumer in wasteful spending. Nice video of that fool Schumer dancing as Americans are stranded in Afghanistan and he bankrupts the country.
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Post by Trades on Aug 24, 2021 17:49:35 GMT -5
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Post by Trades on Aug 24, 2021 17:51:47 GMT -5
This is comforting
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Post by bxjetfan on Aug 24, 2021 19:38:46 GMT -5
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Post by Raoul Duke on Aug 25, 2021 3:31:14 GMT -5
This dude should be president
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Post by Big L on Aug 25, 2021 5:19:25 GMT -5
was there a video link there? Looks like just 3 pics that doesn’t show that at all.
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Post by nyjetsfan11 on Aug 25, 2021 6:11:33 GMT -5
I definitely don't want to silence anyone, it's just more interesting, for me at least, to analyze where we are now, come up with solutions, and advocate for them. For me, talking about what Sanders, Trump, Cruz, Gabbard, etc. would have done if they were president feels like its looking backward as a "well if my candidate had won, this wouldn't be happening." I get it's a message board full of hypotheticals, I guess I could ask what people here would like to see happen instead of engaging in what-could-have-beens. Hypothetically though, what if the Jets never existed, wouldn't all our lives be just that much less stressful? I'm not sure why you're comparing presidential hopefuls versus the actual POTUS who actually got the deal done. Talk about comparing apples and oranges. Well no, Trump is not the president now, so discussing what he would do is a moot point, because he can't do any of it. He has no authority, 0. if you want, you can keep discussing what he would do, thats your choice. I'd be more interested to hear what you personally think the right solution moving forward would be.
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Post by Trades on Aug 25, 2021 7:04:05 GMT -5
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Post by nyjetsfan11 on Aug 25, 2021 7:23:47 GMT -5
This should have been planned out years in advance, and it's crazy to think that this wasn't addressed at all. Even if no one expected the Taliban to take over, you still have to be prepared for the worst case scenario, especially when dealing with people's lives. Frustrating as hell. It's hard not to get emotional when watching thousands of Afghani's camping outside the airport for days, essentially begging for their lives and safety, and to know that in a week, we'll be handing them over to the dogs with no means to protect themselves. Fuck dude. I'm usually anti-war, but this makes me wanna take up arms and fight those fuckers myself.
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Post by nyjetsfan11 on Aug 25, 2021 7:37:57 GMT -5
Damned if we do, damned if we don't. That's been the problem from Day 1. Which is why hopefully, maybe we will learn? There are NO good outcomes when we do this shit. Except SOME people made a shit ton of money. I can only imagine where the military industrial complex will decide to go next. Who needs our "help"? There's no lesson to be learned in terms of catastrophic political/humanitarian fallout, simply because those making the decisions don't really care about that. What you said was key; that many got rich, and that's all that really matters, right? Those people have learned their lesson, which is that they can engage in this behavior, get rich, and it doesn't effect them in the least. Fuck them. I only wish for hell to be real so that I'd know they'd get an eternity in it. Fucking psychopathic, twisted, rotten souls who deserve nothing less for being responsible for ending the lives of countless, innocent humans. I mourn for each one.
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Post by Trades on Aug 25, 2021 7:39:37 GMT -5
This should have been planned out years in advance, and it's crazy to think that this wasn't addressed at all. Even if no one expected the Taliban to take over, you still have to be prepared for the worst case scenario, especially when dealing with people's lives. Frustrating as hell. It's hard not to get emotional when watching thousands of Afghani's camping outside the airport for days, essentially begging for their lives and safety, and to know that in a week, we'll be handing them over to the dogs with no means to protect themselves. Fuck dude. I'm usually anti-war, but this makes me wanna take up arms and fight those fuckers myself. We already fought for them, trained them, armed them, etc. They caved in days. Nation building rarely works the way we want. The concept of American freedom and the fortitude to want and keep it is surprisingly not human nature. As we can see with the Covidiots, many and perhaps most people want to be ruled and told what to do. Is it horrible that even given 20 years they couldn't stop the barbarians? Yes, but how many more Americans lives and how much more American money do you want to spend protecting people not willing to try to protect themselves? Our chosen leader ran away with the money and left everyone flat footed because he knew his people didn't have the will to fight the Taliban. It is sad but it is what it is. We can't save everyone. What we can do is keep America free as an example to the world but our fortitude is waning and we could soon be like the rest of the world begging for the scraps our overlords are willing to give. Biden and our woke generals did the withdrawal in reverse thinking he could pull out the troops and then get the people and the equipment out. Thankfully we painted intersectionality murals there to keep the people safe. American generals are more worried about whether their soldiers can wear skirts than about the mission. Incompetence at its finest. This whole debacle is a lesson for those that feel we can export American values and for those that feel we can assimilate the hordes on a grand scale. If we don't wake up soon and remember what this country is about we are doomed for the trash heap of history.
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Post by nyjetsfan11 on Aug 25, 2021 7:44:32 GMT -5
Damned if we do, damned if we don't. That's been the problem from Day 1. Which is why hopefully, maybe we will learn? There are NO good outcomes when we do this shit. Except SOME people made a shit ton of money. I can only imagine where the military industrial complex will decide to go next. Who needs our "help"? Also, much of the Middle East pre 1980's was modern. Look up how Egyptians and women from Iran dressed back then. Skirts, tight clothing, etc. It wasn't until the west came in and toppled Irans government which led to the increase of strict islamic rule that all this "mandatory dress code" spread and came into effect. And it's a shame, since Egyptian and Iranian women (middle eastern women in general) are some of the hottest in the world. goddamnit
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Post by cgjet on Aug 25, 2021 7:50:03 GMT -5
The Taliban suck but I have to side with them on this one.
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