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Post by jay57 on Apr 8, 2015 13:00:55 GMT -5
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Post by Gunnails on Apr 8, 2015 14:58:11 GMT -5
Does not look good.
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Post by Jetworks on Apr 8, 2015 16:34:47 GMT -5
Agreed. Even if the guy did in fact take and then immediately discard the taser, and even if the cop truly didn't see that, it doesn't excuse his seemingly placing it next to the alleged perp. Also, there were fences on either side, with no one even close to the guy; so why shoot? Pursue and call for backup. Worse, it appears backup came from the direction the guy was running towards. Just seems bad, and I'm usually the one calling for all the facts to be in. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Apr 8, 2015 21:25:38 GMT -5
There are definitely objects on the ground in the video. WI don't think it was the cop putting the taser on the ground in the video. Looks like two dark objects fall in the video and it looks like the alleged perp drops the larger of the two. If that is in fact the taser on the ground, and the alleged perp did try to get it, then he cannot be considered unarmed IMO.
Looks like there was a bit of a struggle but I would like to think the cop would just call for backup b.c I don't think that perp was making it another 100 feet before getting caught.
Not sure how the laws are defined in SC but murder is going to be hard to prove. Maybe some excessive force, negligence or manslaughter.
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Just re-watched the video and it looks like the larger of the objects that fell might have been a shirt or some piece of cloth and not the taser. If that is the case and this officer did plant the taser by his body then that is very bad. Still not sure how you can arrive at murder but he definitely will be facing some serious jail time.
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Post by Trades on Apr 9, 2015 7:38:54 GMT -5
Guy would still be alive if he didn't fight a cop and run. That being said I think the cop panicked or was pissed and pride got in the way and that is why he shot. The article I read said they could see the wires pull on the guys shirt as he starts to run away. All that being said I think the cop was wrong and will be in jail for a very long time. The guy didn't come back at him, he was running away.
The one thing I am sure of is that I would NEVER want to be a cop. Under a microscope, your judgement constantly question but not the judgement of people fighting/running from cops. How long will it take for people to realize that you comply with orders from cops and let your lawyer fight the battle later.
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Post by jay57 on Apr 9, 2015 11:32:14 GMT -5
It looks like he kind of takes a swipe at the tazer and then turns around and runs. You can see the wires trailing. The tazer falls to the ground either because of the swipe or the wires pulling on it when he turns to run. Then he very slowly runs away, that cop could have caught him easily. Instead, he stand there flat footed and shoots at the guy 8 times then casually walks over after he collapses.
There is no way this is justified. That cop is screwed.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Apr 9, 2015 15:16:48 GMT -5
Good thing he handcuffed that corpse. No telling what it might have done.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Apr 9, 2015 15:17:43 GMT -5
Guy would still be alive if he didn't fight a cop and run. That being said I think the cop panicked or was pissed and pride got in the way and that is why he shot. The article I read said they could see the wires pull on the guys shirt as he starts to run away. All that being said I think the cop was wrong and will be in jail for a very long time. The guy didn't come back at him, he was running away. The one thing I am sure of is that I would NEVER want to be a cop. Under a microscope, your judgement constantly question but not the judgement of people fighting/running from cops. How long will it take for people to realize that you comply with orders from cops and let your lawyer fight the battle later. Oh my God a perp is running away! I might get hurt!!!!  Let the excuse making begin |
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Post by Jetworks on Apr 9, 2015 16:57:45 GMT -5
Guy would still be alive if he didn't fight a cop and run. That being said I think the cop panicked or was pissed and pride got in the way and that is why he shot. The article I read said they could see the wires pull on the guys shirt as he starts to run away. All that being said I think the cop was wrong and will be in jail for a very long time. The guy didn't come back at him, he was running away. The one thing I am sure of is that I would NEVER want to be a cop. Under a microscope, your judgement constantly question but not the judgement of people fighting/running from cops. How long will it take for people to realize that you comply with orders from cops and let your lawyer fight the battle later. Oh my God a perp is running away! I might get hurt!!!! Let the excuse making begin I kept hearing when people said "blue lives matter" after the assassination of 2 NYPD offices that "all lives matter" cause they are human, just like Mike Brown and Eric Garner. Fact is, we can panic. We also have a right to go home to our families. Whatever the outcome of this case, we shouldn't fault the cop for acting human. Failure to use his training, not following the law, fine. So even though you're being playfully facetious, don't be so quick as to dismiss that his account, his fear, has validity. |
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Apr 9, 2015 18:09:58 GMT -5
Oh my God a perp is running away! I might get hurt!!!! Let the excuse making begin I kept hearing when people said "blue lives matter" after the assassination of 2 NYPD offices that "all lives matter" cause they are human, just like Mike Brown and Eric Garner. Fact is, we can panic. We also have a right to go home to our families. Whatever the outcome of this case, we shouldn't fault the cop for acting human. Failure to use his training, not following the law, fine. So even though you're being playfully facetious, don't be so quick as to dismiss that his account, his fear, has validity.Well the guy was black after all, so yeah.  |
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Post by Jetworks on Apr 9, 2015 18:27:59 GMT -5
I kept hearing when people said "blue lives matter" after the assassination of 2 NYPD offices that "all lives matter" cause they are human, just like Mike Brown and Eric Garner. Fact is, we can panic. We also have a right to go home to our families. Whatever the outcome of this case, we shouldn't fault the cop for acting human. Failure to use his training, not following the law, fine. So even though you're being playfully facetious, don't be so quick as to dismiss that his account, his fear, has validity.Well the guy was black after all, so yeah. Right. Ok. I'm sure it wouldn't be possible for you to be fearful of someone reaching for your belt, where you carry a firearm, right?  All I carried with me was a set of keys, a pen holster (yes, there was such a thing) and later on, CS or OC "tear gas." Rest assured, a bad guy reached for my belt, I was scared. I just happened to respond appropriately within the parameters of my training. Also,  |
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Apr 9, 2015 18:45:37 GMT -5
Right. Ok. I'm sure it wouldn't be possible for you to be fearful of someone reaching for your belt, where you carry a firearm, right?  Not if the guy's ten feet away from with his back to me and running away. No. If he had shot him at point blank range that might be an argument. And eyewitness testimony says there was no struggle anyway. And there's now dashcam video which I believe supports that. His police report is a fabrication. He said he was chasing the "perp" who stole his taser. After he shot him he walked towards him pretending he was out of breath on his radio, then breaks protocol after he reaches the body, remembering he lied that the "perp" stole his Taser, leaves the body to retrieve the Taser, and goes back and places it next to the body. Other than that, what is "his account"? The traffic stop was supposedly for a broken tail light or non-working brake light, accounts vary. This was a Mercedes which he had just bought, for which the "perp" couldn't produce insurance because he hadn't completed all the paperwork. Broken tail light, sure. On the dashcam video it doesn't look like there is anything wrong with the brake lights. I've been driving without a left brake light for at least a month; I have yet to be pulled over. If this guy is scared by someone running away from him he has no business being a police officer |
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Post by DDNYjets on Apr 9, 2015 20:28:21 GMT -5
Right. Ok. I'm sure it wouldn't be possible for you to be fearful of someone reaching for your belt, where you carry a firearm, right? Not if the guy's ten feet away from with his back to me and running away. No. If he had shot him at point blank range that might be an argument. And eyewitness testimony says there was no struggle anyway. And there's now dashcam video which I believe supports that. His police report is a fabrication. He said he was chasing the "perp" who stole his taser. After he shot him he walked towards him pretending he was out of breath on his radio, then breaks protocol after he reaches the body, remembering he lied that the "perp" stole his Taser, leaves the body to retrieve the Taser, and goes back and places it next to the body. Other than that, what is "his account"? The traffic stop was supposedly for a broken tail light or non-working brake light, accounts vary. This was a Mercedes which he had just bought, for which the "perp" couldn't produce insurance because he hadn't completed all the paperwork. Broken tail light, sure. On the dashcam video it doesn't look like there is anything wrong with the brake lights. I've been driving without a left brake light for at least a month; I have yet to be pulled over. If this guy is scared by someone running away from him he has no business being a police officer Let me preface this by saying the obvious in hopes to avoid a hyperbolic responses. The guy didnt deserve to die. Think we all agree on that. But why is he running from a traffic stop to begin with? Guilty people run. And the taillight is broken. Broken tailight, no paperwork and a shaky story about buying the car. I can see why the cop was suspicious. Bottom line is bad things happen when you don't obey the police. Like it or not but they are authority figures and need to be treated as such. I was a dickhead once to a cop in college, got my face planted on a cop car and learned my lesson. Now I don't talk back to, don't fight with and don't flee from police. Again, the man did not deserve to die but I have a hard time calling him a victim. |
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Apr 9, 2015 21:01:33 GMT -5
Not if the guy's ten feet away from with his back to me and running away. No. If he had shot him at point blank range that might be an argument. And eyewitness testimony says there was no struggle anyway. And there's now dashcam video which I believe supports that. His police report is a fabrication. He said he was chasing the "perp" who stole his taser. After he shot him he walked towards him pretending he was out of breath on his radio, then breaks protocol after he reaches the body, remembering he lied that the "perp" stole his Taser, leaves the body to retrieve the Taser, and goes back and places it next to the body. Other than that, what is "his account"? The traffic stop was supposedly for a broken tail light or non-working brake light, accounts vary. This was a Mercedes which he had just bought, for which the "perp" couldn't produce insurance because he hadn't completed all the paperwork. Broken tail light, sure. On the dashcam video it doesn't look like there is anything wrong with the brake lights. I've been driving without a left brake light for at least a month; I have yet to be pulled over. If this guy is scared by someone running away from him he has no business being a police officer Let me preface this by saying the obvious in hopes to avoid a hyperbolic responses. The guy didnt deserve to die. Think we all agree on that. But why is he running from a traffic stop to begin with? Guilty people run. And the taillight is broken. Broken tailight, no paperwork and a shaky story about buying the car. I can see why the cop was suspicious. Bottom line is bad things happen when you don't obey the police. Like it or not but they are authority figures and need to be treated as such. I was a dickhead once to a cop in college, got my face planted on a cop car and learned my lesson. Now I don't talk back to, don't fight with and don't flee from police. Again, the man did not deserve to die but I have a hard time calling him a victim. Someone who dies unjustly is by definition a victim. The killer has been charged with murder! You have to have a victim to have murder. So your statements make no sense. |
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Post by detroitred on Apr 10, 2015 2:35:59 GMT -5
With no video, just another dead n1gg@. Police report said he grabbed for taser, end of story
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