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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Apr 10, 2015 18:07:50 GMT -5
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Post by PK on Apr 10, 2015 18:10:14 GMT -5
The video also shows him trying to reach for the cops sidearm. Sorry, VTN...we don't live in a world where cops kill people for no reason. Get your head out of your hippy haze... |
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Post by Jetworks on Apr 10, 2015 18:27:40 GMT -5
Umm, he either reaches for the cops belt and the cop is the fastest draw in the south. Or he reached for the cops already drawn firearm. Or he fearfully tried to push down the already drawn firearm (see, I can do equal supposition). Really not sure what you're looking at here. As for my giving credence to what a witness "believes", I'll just say that you've never had the pleasure of interviewing and relying on eyewitness accounts and leave it at that. |
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Post by Trades on Apr 10, 2015 19:20:46 GMT -5
I will keep prefacing this with the cop was wrong and then was shady as hell moving the tazer etc but... Did you watch the police dashcam video? The cop absolutely chased him. Did he embellish, probably, or he is out of shape, who knows. Either way it was a routine traffic stop until he decided to run. When I was young I drove a sports car and I got pulled over plenty of times, once at least for a light being out. I am white. Race had nothing to do with me being pulled over. The thing is I said, "yes sir", I listened, I was polite, I apologized, fixed my car the next day and paid my tickets and I am here to type holier than thou arm chair QB proclamations about this case. I also pay WAY too much child support to a woman who has our kids 20% of the time. You pay your back child support and THEN buy a car if there is money left. Was Scott targeted because he was black? I seriously doubt it. The dashcam shows a routine traffic stop until he decided to run. We can't tell from the video but I will assume he was black before he ran too. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Apr 10, 2015 21:45:03 GMT -5
CNN had a eyewitness (black woman) that said she saw a "tussle". So there's that. Like all these other incidents I am sure there will be more people coming forward and adding more pieces to the puzzle. |
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Post by detroitred on Apr 11, 2015 10:51:56 GMT -5
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Post by detroitred on Apr 11, 2015 17:04:57 GMT -5
The murder charge is absolutely appropriate. Murder does not have to be premeditated. This is clearly a case of depraved indifference for human life. Hope he rots
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Post by Jetworks on Apr 11, 2015 17:44:56 GMT -5
The murder charge is absolutely appropriate. Murder does not have to be premeditated. This is clearly a case of depraved indifference for human life. Hope he rots Not sure anyone has said it wasn't appropriate, self included. But hey, knock yourself out with some unnecessary righteous indignation. That kind of shit is encouraged around here. |
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Post by PK on Apr 11, 2015 18:00:53 GMT -5
The murder charge is absolutely appropriate. Murder does not have to be premeditated. This is clearly a case of depraved indifference for human life. Hope he rots Not sure anyone has said it wasn't appropriate, self included. But hey, knock yourself out with some unnecessary righteous indignation. That kind of shit is encouraged around here. Lol. Yup. No one has said it was appropriate. I guess some people think it's appropriate wrestle for a cops sidearm and run. The cop is just supposed to stand there and throw rocks and verbal commands at him. The cop was supposed to know that he had so much going for him with the new job he got. He's not supposed to think "holy shit. This crazy asshole just tried to take my taser and is running from me. I think it's cool for me to stand back and let him run into some neighborhood all wacked out and shit".... |
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Post by detroitred on Apr 11, 2015 18:57:56 GMT -5
Not sure anyone has said it wasn't appropriate, self included. But hey, knock yourself out with some unnecessary righteous indignation. That kind of shit is encouraged around here. Lol. Yup. No one has said it was appropriate. I guess some people think it's appropriate wrestle for a cops sidearm and run. The cop is just supposed to stand there and throw rocks and verbal commands at him. The cop was supposed to know that he had so much going for him with the new job he got. He's not supposed to think "holy shit. This crazy asshole just tried to take my taser and is running from me. I think it's cool for me to stand back and let him run into some neighborhood all wacked out and shit".... it was suggested in this thread |
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Post by Jetworks on Apr 11, 2015 19:09:03 GMT -5
Not sure anyone has said it wasn't appropriate, self included. But hey, knock yourself out with some unnecessary righteous indignation. That kind of shit is encouraged around here. Lol. Yup. No one has said it was appropriate. I guess some people think it's appropriate wrestle for a cops sidearm and run. The cop is just supposed to stand there and throw rocks and verbal commands at him. The cop was supposed to know that he had so much going for him with the new job he got. He's not supposed to think "holy shit. This crazy asshole just tried to take my taser and is running from me. I think it's cool for me to stand back and let him run into some neighborhood all wacked out and shit".... PK, I personally think it was a bad shoot. I totally agree with what you are saying here as far as what probably went through the officer's head, but I still think he should have given chase and pulled out his stick. Granted, he was probably stick-shy, given how all the libs think that the use of it automatically equals a beating of some sort, but I'd trust my use of that over a stupid taser or OC gas. Guns are trickier. We were always taught to only draw your firearm if your intent is to seriously injure or kill (actual legal terms, mind you). So, his decision to seriously injure or kill here seems a bit disproportionate to the entirety of the incident, but that's easy for me to say sitting at a keyboard. As for the newbie, spare us the inferred intimations. Grow a sack, apply some critical thinking and argue your view, regardless of what side of this it's on. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Apr 12, 2015 6:30:17 GMT -5
I was the one that questioned the murder charge. I know it doesn't have to be premeditated and there are also certain things like the felony murder rule that are at play. I just think if he is ultimately convicted it will be a lesser included offense, assuming they can do that under SC law.
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Post by thebigragu on Apr 12, 2015 20:49:58 GMT -5
I always call it like it is even when its unpopular to stand with the police. But that is straight up fucking murder and he should be tried as such, being to fucking lazy and to much of a white piece of shit redneck doesn't give you the right to empty your fucking clip in a chubby guys back. Fucking punk deserves whats coming and its a cops worst nightmare JAIL
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Post by thebigragu on Apr 13, 2015 0:01:10 GMT -5
How many of you fucks been to south fucking carolina? I lived in the south the black people are routinely fucked with 100 times more then whites, I should know They worked for me along with the preppy rich college fucks who i never once had to bail out on a felony trafficking charge, the few that did get busted went to drug court on a misdemeanor and rehab usually manatee glens or the salvation army viper program sarasota, the black guys of course went to port manatee then desoto annex. Its most certainly a racist fucking shooting this isn't up north
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Post by rexneffect on Apr 13, 2015 11:22:45 GMT -5
Lots of words exhausted here trying to explain away at least some of the officer's conduct yet there is plenty of tacit consent around the idea that the victim was just dumb for running. The officer is clearly getting held to a lesser standard here. If the officer's conduct can be partly explained by fear then why can't the victim's? Maybe the officer said things that made the victim fear for his life and running was a better option than sitting in the car. We don't know what went through his head.
We can certainly extrapolate explanations out of what we don't know for either side. Maybe it's my dirty liberal mind but if we're cutting somebody a break for being panicked I am going to cut in favor of the guy who got shot in the back.
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