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Post by jetswin on Aug 20, 2015 8:53:04 GMT -5
Brady and Goodell are two smug pompous I'm better than you types, they are unfortunately a microcosm of American society right now. This whole deflategate nonsense should have been over with immediately, all Brady had to do was say, "yes, I knew about the balls, I didn't think it was that big a deal." If Brady had in fact admitted his culpability immediately if would be all but forgotten by now, but his ego wouldn't let that happen, and Goodell's won't let him not rule the roost. Ego's and non compromise are what is ruining society as a whole today imho, creates big problems out of small ones. This applies to Brady and Belidick, what has Goodell done to give this perception?
Goodell is protecting the shield and his administration in all of this sure, but he isn't working for himself, he is working for the 31 owners who have become tired of the bullshit up in Patriot nation, they have been exposed AGAIN, and now Brady is trying to weasel his way out of it to salvage his reputation, image, and the team's image. Belidick is such a pompous ass, he has basically thrown Brady under a bus and has claimed his bullshit "I have no idea what happened" position, somehow getting exonerated by the league, which is yet another mistake the NFL made in dolling out the punishment rendered to the Patriot organization. Why did Sean Payton get suspended for a year for bountygate, had no involvement, but was still penalized being the head coach? How does Belidick escape this?
The challenge the NFL has is minimizing the uproar from the 31 other owners to protect the overall image of the NFL from a PR perspective, but there is no way the NFL is backing down, and it's not for their own ego, it's for the rest of the league.
Goodell has butchered everything, aside from putting money in the owners pockets, since he started. His mishandling of multiple issues is eventually going to threaten the league's success imho. We, as fans, can only toe the line for the golden goose for only so long.
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Post by RayRay1 on Aug 20, 2015 9:00:39 GMT -5
This applies to Brady and Belidick, what has Goodell done to give this perception?
Goodell is protecting the shield and his administration in all of this sure, but he isn't working for himself, he is working for the 31 owners who have become tired of the bullshit up in Patriot nation, they have been exposed AGAIN, and now Brady is trying to weasel his way out of it to salvage his reputation, image, and the team's image. Belidick is such a pompous ass, he has basically thrown Brady under a bus and has claimed his bullshit "I have no idea what happened" position, somehow getting exonerated by the league, which is yet another mistake the NFL made in dolling out the punishment rendered to the Patriot organization. Why did Sean Payton get suspended for a year for bountygate, had no involvement, but was still penalized being the head coach? How does Belidick escape this?
The challenge the NFL has is minimizing the uproar from the 31 other owners to protect the overall image of the NFL from a PR perspective, but there is no way the NFL is backing down, and it's not for their own ego, it's for the rest of the league.
Goodell has butchered everything, aside from putting money in the owners pockets, since he started. His mishandling of multiple issues is eventually going to threaten the league's success imho. We, as fans, can only toe the line for the golden goose for only so long.
I don't have this impression, some examples?
I'm not claiming Goodell is some saint and a perfect commissioner, I just think he gets a lot of flak for a lot of the wrong reasons. It's easy for us casual fans to criticize when we don't understand the full extent of the many sides of an issue Goodell has to represent, he's a middle man in the arena of the NFLPA and the owners, and he's constantly battling differing views and interests from the two sides, while trying to maintain his true job requirement of serving the owners. I can't imagine how difficult his job must be.
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Post by ryu79 on Aug 20, 2015 9:03:22 GMT -5
Brady and Goodell are two smug pompous I'm better than you types, they are unfortunately a microcosm of American society right now. This whole deflategate nonsense should have been over with immediately, all Brady had to do was say, "yes, I knew about the balls, I didn't think it was that big a deal." If Brady had in fact admitted his culpability immediately if would be all but forgotten by now, but his ego wouldn't let that happen, and Goodell's won't let him not rule the roost. Ego's and non compromise are what is ruining society as a whole today imho, creates big problems out of small ones. This applies to Brady and Belidick, what has Goodell done to give this perception?
Goodell is protecting the shield and his administration in all of this sure, but he isn't working for himself, he is working for the 31 owners who have become tired of the bullshit up in Patriot nation, they have been exposed AGAIN, and now Brady is trying to weasel his way out of it to salvage his reputation, image, and the team's image. Belidick is such a pompous ass, he has basically thrown Brady under a bus and has claimed his bullshit "I have no idea what happened" position, somehow getting exonerated by the league, which is yet another mistake the NFL made in dolling out the punishment rendered to the Patriot organization. Why did Sean Payton get suspended for a year for bountygate, had no involvement, but was still penalized being the head coach? How does Belidick escape this?
The challenge the NFL has is minimizing the uproar from the 31 other owners to protect the overall image of the NFL from a PR perspective, but there is no way the NFL is backing down, and it's not for their own ego, it's for the rest of the league.
You don't help your case by starting from the position that Goodell is a stand up dude. Same dude that burned the tapes...his track record is of doing whats right for himself. What's annoying me this morning is listening to all the talk of how this judge is pursuing a "settlement" from the two parties because he feels that the NFL has a stronger case. If that's the case - just rule for the NFL. All this nonsense about Brady being a victim of process - he is a victim of his self perceived infallibility and avarice. This argument that he routinely destroyed phones when he was able to produce several of his older phones that hadnt been destroyed is an insult to intelligence.
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Post by Ff2 on Aug 20, 2015 9:07:37 GMT -5
I'm not seeing how the NEPs are screwed.
Worse case TB12 sits 4 games. Pats go 2-2, end up 12-4 and head into the playoffs.
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Post by carlito1171 on Aug 20, 2015 9:11:55 GMT -5
I'm not seeing how the NEPs are screwed. Worse case TB12 sits 4 games. Pats go 2-2, end up 12-4 and head into the playoffs. What are your thoughts on having to throw a fully inflated football for an entire season? Do you think Belidick/Brady are out of tricks up their sleeve or do they have a never ending bag of cheating methods?
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Post by Ff2 on Aug 20, 2015 9:13:50 GMT -5
I'm not seeing how the NEPs are screwed. Worse case TB12 sits 4 games. Pats go 2-2, end up 12-4 and head into the playoffs. What are your thoughts on having to throw a fully inflated football for an entire season? Do you think Belidick/Brady are out of tricks up their sleeve or do they have a never ending bag of cheating methods? I have no idea. All I know is they win 11 or 12 games a year. That works for me.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Aug 20, 2015 9:26:26 GMT -5
This applies to Brady and Belidick, what has Goodell done to give this perception?
Goodell is protecting the shield and his administration in all of this sure, but he isn't working for himself, he is working for the 31 owners who have become tired of the bullshit up in Patriot nation, they have been exposed AGAIN, and now Brady is trying to weasel his way out of it to salvage his reputation, image, and the team's image. Belidick is such a pompous ass, he has basically thrown Brady under a bus and has claimed his bullshit "I have no idea what happened" position, somehow getting exonerated by the league, which is yet another mistake the NFL made in dolling out the punishment rendered to the Patriot organization. Why did Sean Payton get suspended for a year for bountygate, had no involvement, but was still penalized being the head coach? How does Belidick escape this?
The challenge the NFL has is minimizing the uproar from the 31 other owners to protect the overall image of the NFL from a PR perspective, but there is no way the NFL is backing down, and it's not for their own ego, it's for the rest of the league.
Goodell has butchered everything, aside from putting money in the owners pockets, since he started. His mishandling of multiple issues is eventually going to threaten the league's success imho. We, as fans, can only toe the line for the golden goose for only so long. I think Goodell is eventually going to get "promoted" upstairs to a position that doesn't deal with the public and the NFL will create another position that deals with the PR issues facing them. While he has done a great job lining the owners' pockets with new ways to milk revenue out of the public, he has been an unmitigated disaster as far as representing the face of the NFL and there's only so many hits the league can take.
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Post by afceastfan on Aug 20, 2015 9:27:25 GMT -5
Belidick is such a pompous ass, he has basically thrown Brady under a bus and has claimed his bullshit "I have no idea what happened" position, somehow getting exonerated by the league, which is yet another mistake the NFL made in dolling out the punishment rendered to the Patriot organization. Why did Sean Payton get suspended for a year for bountygate, had no involvement, but was still penalized being the head coach? How does Belidick escape this? I think the logic behind the distinction is that head coaches are supposed to know what their assistants are up to, but not necessarily their players and staff (not sure I agree with that logic, btw, but I think that is how the league would distinguish the two situations). If the evidence had revealed, for example, that Josh McDaniels rather than Tom Brady was the driving force behind Deflate Gate, then Belidick would have received a major penalty.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Aug 20, 2015 9:31:38 GMT -5
This applies to Brady and Belidick, what has Goodell done to give this perception?
Goodell is protecting the shield and his administration in all of this sure, but he isn't working for himself, he is working for the 31 owners who have become tired of the bullshit up in Patriot nation, they have been exposed AGAIN, and now Brady is trying to weasel his way out of it to salvage his reputation, image, and the team's image. Belidick is such a pompous ass, he has basically thrown Brady under a bus and has claimed his bullshit "I have no idea what happened" position, somehow getting exonerated by the league, which is yet another mistake the NFL made in dolling out the punishment rendered to the Patriot organization. Why did Sean Payton get suspended for a year for bountygate, had no involvement, but was still penalized being the head coach? How does Belidick escape this?
The challenge the NFL has is minimizing the uproar from the 31 other owners to protect the overall image of the NFL from a PR perspective, but there is no way the NFL is backing down, and it's not for their own ego, it's for the rest of the league.
You don't help your case by starting from the position that Goodell is a stand up dude. Same dude that burned the tapes...his track record is of doing whats right for himself. What's annoying me this morning is listening to all the talk of how this judge is pursuing a "settlement" from the two parties because he feels that the NFL has a stronger case. If that's the case - just rule for the NFL.All this nonsense about Brady being a victim of process - he is a victim of his self perceived infallibility and avarice. This argument that he routinely destroyed phones when he was able to produce several of his older phones that hadnt been destroyed is an insult to intelligence. This is the part I can't get past. And is irritating as hell. It's operating from the assumption that both sides have a case to make, like in a divorce "settlement". Brady has no case!
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Post by rexneffect on Aug 20, 2015 9:44:39 GMT -5
Belidick is such a pompous ass, he has basically thrown Brady under a bus and has claimed his bullshit "I have no idea what happened" position, somehow getting exonerated by the league, which is yet another mistake the NFL made in dolling out the punishment rendered to the Patriot organization. Why did Sean Payton get suspended for a year for bountygate, had no involvement, but was still penalized being the head coach? How does Belidick escape this? I think the logic behind the distinction is that head coaches are supposed to know what their assistants are up to, but not necessarily their players and staff (not sure I agree with that logic, btw, but I think that is how the league would distinguish the two situations). If the evidence had revealed, for example, that Josh McDaniels rather than Tom Brady was the driving force behind Deflate Gate, then Belidick would have received a major penalty. Let's get some things clear here. Belidick is not just the head coach--he is also the GM and welds authority over the entire team from players to coaches to staff. He exercises that authority at a high level. That's why so many people find it difficult to believe Belidick did not personally know about what was going on. However, whether you believe that is largely irrelevant. He's the top guy that presides over everybody involved in the scheme and suffers command responsibility for their acts. This is the premise the NFL relied on to punish Paxton who was held responsible for the acts of the players and coaches although it was not proven to any standard that he had actual knowledge or complicity in what happened.
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Post by adpz on Aug 20, 2015 9:52:43 GMT -5
I'm not seeing how the NEPs are screwed. Worse case TB12 sits 4 games. Pats go 2-2, end up 12-4 and head into the playoffs. The first time Tom Brady throws a properly-inflated football, his wrist is going to snap like Theisman's femur. Let's be honest ....
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Post by Ff2 on Aug 20, 2015 9:58:09 GMT -5
I'm not seeing how the NEPs are screwed. Worse case TB12 sits 4 games. Pats go 2-2, end up 12-4 and head into the playoffs. The first time Tom Brady throws a properly-inflated football, his wrist is going to snap like Theisman's femur. Let's be honest .... Like the 2nd half of the Colts game? let's be honest.
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Post by rexneffect on Aug 20, 2015 10:01:22 GMT -5
You don't help your case by starting from the position that Goodell is a stand up dude. Same dude that burned the tapes...his track record is of doing whats right for himself. What's annoying me this morning is listening to all the talk of how this judge is pursuing a "settlement" from the two parties because he feels that the NFL has a stronger case. If that's the case - just rule for the NFL.All this nonsense about Brady being a victim of process - he is a victim of his self perceived infallibility and avarice. This argument that he routinely destroyed phones when he was able to produce several of his older phones that hadnt been destroyed is an insult to intelligence. This is the part I can't get past. And is irritating as hell. It's operating from the assumption that both sides have a case to make, like in a divorce "settlement". Brady has no case! Divorce is a pretty good analogy to this situation, actually. Settling brings finality in a way a bench opinion or verdict doesn't. The court's ruling can be appealed, sometimes for years, before a resolution is struck. There could also be ancillary lawsuits as well. Dragging this out like that would be financially unpleasant for both sides and not just for the attorney's fees involved. With a settlement both sides can walk away feeling like they got something out of it and the whole matter is resolved. Brady and the NFL are like divorcing parents. Even when the litigation ends they still have to work together and stand to make a lot of money off of each other. Finding a compromise that works and allows the parties to move on is often better in the long term for both sides than either side winning a victory in court.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Aug 20, 2015 10:31:04 GMT -5
This is the part I can't get past. And is irritating as hell. It's operating from the assumption that both sides have a case to make, like in a divorce "settlement". Brady has no case! Divorce is a pretty good analogy to this situation, actually. Settling brings finality in a way a bench opinion or verdict doesn't. The court's ruling can be appealed, sometimes for years, before a resolution is struck. There could also be ancillary lawsuits as well. Dragging this out like that would be financially unpleasant for both sides and not just for the attorney's fees involved. With a settlement both sides can walk away feeling like they got something out of it and the whole matter is resolved. Brady and the NFL are like divorcing parents. Even when the litigation ends they still have to work together and stand to make a lot of money off of each other. Finding a compromise that works and allows the parties to move on is often better in the long term for both sides than either side winning a victory in court. Thanks for that, it's the first thing that has made sense out of this.
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Post by afceastfan on Aug 20, 2015 10:39:36 GMT -5
I think the logic behind the distinction is that head coaches are supposed to know what their assistants are up to, but not necessarily their players and staff (not sure I agree with that logic, btw, but I think that is how the league would distinguish the two situations). If the evidence had revealed, for example, that Josh McDaniels rather than Tom Brady was the driving force behind Deflate Gate, then Belidick would have received a major penalty. Let's get some things clear here. Belidick is not just the head coach--he is also the GM and welds authority over the entire team from players to coaches to staff. He exercises that authority at a high level. That's why so many people find it difficult to believe Belidick did not personally know about what was going on. However, whether you believe that is largely irrelevant. He's the top guy that presides over everybody involved in the scheme and suffers command responsibility for their acts. This is the premise the NFL relied on to punish Paxton who was held responsible for the acts of the players and coaches although it was not proven to any standard that he had actual knowledge or complicity in what happened. I am always in favor of getting things clear, so I pulled the NFL's release on Bounty Gate. Below is what it says about Payton. Hardly just a vicarious-liability-for-the-man-in-charge theory. Sounds instead like there was plenty of evidence of actual knowledge and complicity. No such similar allegations were made, or evidence adduced, against Belidick here. www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827c15b2/article/nfl-announces-management-discipline-in-saints-bounty-matter10. When interviewed in 2012, Sean Payton claimed to be entirely unaware of the program, a claim contradicted by others. Further, prior to the Saints' opening game in 2011, Coach Payton received an email from a close associate that stated in part, "PS Greg Williams put me down for $5000 on Rogers (sic)." When shown the email during the course of the investigation, Coach Payton stated that it referred to a "bounty" on Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers. 11. In early 2010, Mr. Loomis advised Coach Payton that the league office was investigating allegations concerning a bounty program. Coach Payton said that he met with his top two defensive assistants, Coach Williams and Coach Vitt, in advance of the interview with league investigators and told them, "Let's make sure our ducks are in a row." Remarkably, Coach Payton claimed that he never inquired of Coach Williams and Coach Vitt as to what happened in the interviews, never asked them if a "pay-for-performance" or bounty program was in fact in place, and never gave any instructions to discontinue such a program. 12. In January 2012, prior to the Saints' first playoff game of the 2011 season, Coach Payton was advised by Mr. Loomis that the league office had reopened the investigation. Coach Payton made a cursory inquiry but took no action to ensure that any bounty program was discontinued.
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