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Post by greenwave on Sept 28, 2015 11:56:02 GMT -5
You would have been wondering far less had Fitzpatrick connected on any of the multiple 1-on-1 opportunities on the outside yesterday. There were at least two long TDs left on the field yesterday from bad throws - Chan doesn't catch heat from me (yet). Hard to OC well when the defense is coming downhill and you don't have a QB to take advantage of single coverage. I really wasn't being critical about the downfield throws, I liked the calls to stretch the field, other than most were not caught. There were too many lateral passes, for my liking. Throw the ball down the field, not laterally. Oh I agree. But you can only do that when you're working with a QB...that can throw the ball down the field. After years of watching Pennington here, I simply have no patience or tolerance for QBs that can't make all the throws. A QB that can't zip it in there when they have to has no business taking snaps in the NFL unless they truly are the only realistic option, in my view.
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Post by Slackjaw on Sept 28, 2015 12:05:30 GMT -5
no geno
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Sept 28, 2015 12:10:56 GMT -5
I have seen enough of fitzpatrick. Indy he was weak. This week he was undeniably awful. He can not throw downfield. He's weak armed and inaccurate. His deep throws are week and fall short. We drafted Devin Smith to strech the field and Fitz can't reach him. Time to go w/ Geno, because we are going no where w/ fitz. Even Ragu who's been a huge supporter of fitz has jumped ship based on seeing his terrible performance ruin their otherwise fun time yesterday. Geno or bust (maybe Geno and bust), but at least we will finally know.
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Post by gibby on Sept 28, 2015 12:27:22 GMT -5
Love being a Jet fan! So what happens when we go back to Geno and he continues to be a one read QB who turns the ball over constantly. All of you will say " see- told ya - should have stuck with Fitzpatrick" . You guys are fucking crazy! I'll take one bad game over Geno any day. Don't get me wrong. He isn't the long term solution. He is are best option and it's not even close. #fuckgeno!! Even if this was true (I believe it's not), it still would have no relevance for the Jets future to play Fitzpatrick this year without giving Geno a shot to run this offense in the regular season. Geno began the year as the starter, and his play on the practice field cemented his role there. If you take out Punchgate, which is the only reason why Geno finds himself on the bench, no other team would keep a backup as limited as Fitzpatrick in the starting role beyond just one more poor performance. I think the fact they are sticking with the back up in this case - tells us what (at least some of us) already know. Geno doesn't deserve another shot.
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Post by vin on Sept 28, 2015 13:55:24 GMT -5
As awful as he was, Fitz should get(and from Bowles indications of not doing shit and not listening to any of you here) another start.
Decker and Ivory will be back(though Decker is more important for Fitz to have out there) and if Fitz shits the bed with them there?
I'm thinking that then there would be changes on the horizon over the bye.
BTW, if the Jets win and are 3-1, they are NOT going to switch Fitz with Geno. I just don't see it happening unless the score ended up being 6-3 Jets with Fitz throwing 4-5 INTs.
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Post by Paradis on Sept 28, 2015 14:44:47 GMT -5
As awful as he was, Fitz should get(and from Bowles indications of not doing shit and not listening to any of you here) another start. Decker and Ivory will be back(though Decker is more important for Fitz to have out there) and if Fitz shits the bed with them there? I'm thinking that then there would be changes on the horizon over the bye. BTW, if the Jets win and are 3-1, they are NOT going to switch Fitz with Geno. I just don't see it happening unless the score ended up being 6-3 Jets with Fitz throwing 4-5 INTs. As indicated by our win in IND, i don't think the record is going to be the deciding factor. It's going to be about production and execution.
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Post by greenwave on Sept 28, 2015 14:47:56 GMT -5
As awful as he was, Fitz should get(and from Bowles indications of not doing shit and not listening to any of you here) another start. Decker and Ivory will be back(though Decker is more important for Fitz to have out there) and if Fitz shits the bed with them there? I'm thinking that then there would be changes on the horizon over the bye. BTW, if the Jets win and are 3-1, they are NOT going to switch Fitz with Geno. I just don't see it happening unless the score ended up being 6-3 Jets with Fitz throwing 4-5 INTs. I know you weren't all the way serious here, but if you look at this from a "what's best for the Jets this year AND long term" angle, this is actually the ideal scenario for next week. Win, but know it's time for a change at the QB spot. Anyone who denies it is simply not looking at it from a business perspective. Playing Fitzpatrick without injury justification is just piss poor management, unless Fitz somehow proves Sunday was an aberration and not the continuation of a Fitz we've all come to know and laugh about over the past decade.
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Post by vin on Sept 28, 2015 14:55:20 GMT -5
As awful as he was, Fitz should get(and from Bowles indications of not doing shit and not listening to any of you here) another start. Decker and Ivory will be back(though Decker is more important for Fitz to have out there) and if Fitz shits the bed with them there? I'm thinking that then there would be changes on the horizon over the bye. BTW, if the Jets win and are 3-1, they are NOT going to switch Fitz with Geno. I just don't see it happening unless the score ended up being 6-3 Jets with Fitz throwing 4-5 INTs. As indicated by our win in IND, i don't think the record is going to be the deciding factor. It's going to be about production and execution. Hence my last statement("....score ended being 6-3 Jets with Fitz throwing 4 - 5 INTs"). Fitz has got to be bad...and I...MEAN....AWFUL for Todd to decide to go back to Geno, if the Jets still end up winning the game.
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Post by vin on Sept 28, 2015 14:57:31 GMT -5
As awful as he was, Fitz should get(and from Bowles indications of not doing shit and not listening to any of you here) another start. Decker and Ivory will be back(though Decker is more important for Fitz to have out there) and if Fitz shits the bed with them there? I'm thinking that then there would be changes on the horizon over the bye. BTW, if the Jets win and are 3-1, they are NOT going to switch Fitz with Geno. I just don't see it happening unless the score ended up being 6-3 Jets with Fitz throwing 4-5 INTs. I know you weren't all the way serious here, but if you look at this from a "what's best for the Jets this year AND long term" angle, this is actually the ideal scenario for next week. Win, but know it's time for a change at the QB spot. Anyone who denies it is simply not looking at it from a business perspective. Playing Fitzpatrick without injury justification is just piss poor management, unless Fitz somehow proves Sunday was an aberration and not the continuation of a Fitz we've all come to know and laugh about over the past decade. And that's why he'll get another full start(and none of this "Just the first half" bullshit that some posters here are spouting) so Todd and the coaches(you know, the ones who really matter) can see whether a change is warranted or not.
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Post by Peebag on Sept 28, 2015 14:59:05 GMT -5
is it the time? Is it the junction point of the season where Mr. Petty dons the coat of the starting qb? Is it.... Petty Coat Junction?
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Post by Brady's a catcher on Sept 28, 2015 14:59:10 GMT -5
Had to be at the game to see it live. No one is scared of this guys arm. He's worse then Pennington and is a half ass game manager. Defense dared him to beat them he couldn't it was Pennington part deux. I had a lifetime of that bullshit. I want petty sitting for 2 years. Geno should get some reps after that horror show. And i mean horror. No one is scared of that arm nobody. Missing ivory is huge and decker but im still happy at 2 1. Do not want to see anymore of that CPF. Hopefully we regroup but Geno should be back in the discussion this week. I mean watching that live i swear to God i almost cursed out poor chad Pennington before i realized its 2015 He's a less accurate Chadwick. No arm, bad decisions, turrible deep ball. At least Geno can make all the throws and can make plays with his feet. Jesus, I actually want to see Geno Smith. Fuckin' team.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Sept 28, 2015 15:20:07 GMT -5
wait a second. not that fitz is that great but do you actually think genot would have had a chance in that game. yeah fitz threw two really stupid ints. stupid because he threw a bad pass to a covered receiver. but he didn't throw a pick six that genot is so prone to do. and how on earth can a qb succeed if the receivers are just not making the plays? enunwa and smith both didn't make plays. marshall mised a couple too. i didn't think the play calling was that great. the passes to the flat were useless and just got the back clobbered. the runs were uninspried. the bottom line is the jets got exposed on offense for not having any really good team speed on offense. outside of marshall, decker, and ivory the rest of the skill guys are very ordinary. this is not to take anything away from smith or owusu or enunwa because they're all young players who need to learn. nobody's afraid of genot's arm either. Worth noting that Fitz hit the DL in the hands 3 or 4 times. 3 of the times was by an Eagles rookie. Pick-6's take two people, not just the QB. A different player, a la J.J. Watt and one of those 4 passes could have been a pick-6. I don't think its fair to make that statement. But if we want to play the comparison game like that, there were a few times where the pocket breaks in ways we've seen before, that we've seen Geno scramble before and pull out legit gains. Gains I expected to see and then Fitz hobbles or decides to throw it away. Happened vs Colts too. That was dispiriting.
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Post by Brady's a catcher on Sept 28, 2015 15:22:45 GMT -5
More like a ghey manager. Fitznoodle was awful today, Chan Gailey isn't helping matters either. Hopefully everyone is back and we'll see what we can do against a terrible Fins team, they look like the worst team in the division at the moment. Fitznoodle was awful today, Chan Gailey isn't helping matters either.
Spot on, I was wondering about the play calling throughout the game.
Yup, same here. Second game in a row that I wasn't happy with the playcalls. Add lack of urgency in the 2nd half also. Why no hurry up with a veteran QB in the 4th?
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Post by Brady's a catcher on Sept 28, 2015 15:23:42 GMT -5
Worth noting that Fitz hit the DL in the hands 3 or 4 times. 3 of the times was by an Eagles rookie. Pick-6's take two people, not just the QB. A different player, a la J.J. Watt and one of those 4 passes could have been a pick-6. I don't think its fair to make that statement. But if we want to play the comparison game like that, there were a few times where the pocket breaks in ways we've seen before, that we've seen Geno scramble before and pull out legit gains. Gains I expected to see and then Fitz hobbles or decides to throw it away. Happened vs Colts too. That was dispiriting. Good word for it VTN.
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Post by southside on Sept 28, 2015 15:31:20 GMT -5
You know, this whole situation speaks loudly as to how the Jets feel about Geno. The lack of leadership and respect from his teammates has got to be factoring into the decision here.
I just feel like if they felt like Geno blee it then why even keep him on the roster? We've been down this road before when the defense doesn't respect the QBs arm. Chad and Mark, then Geno... Fitz is the same guy. They couldn't beat CBs on out routes or deep and our offense just crapped the bed. The fact that Geno may have been improving makes me want to say its his season to throw away because we don't going anywhere with this hot mess. It's a matter of time before the pick 6s start happening.
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