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Post by McGinley on Dec 29, 2014 18:36:16 GMT -5
People are still defending Rex. Lol. Can't make this nonsense up...
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Post by greengeek on Dec 29, 2014 18:44:55 GMT -5
Let's make this analogous: After this year Richardson begins to slowly drift downward in production. The line continues to play well, however. Some of the pieces change and his stats fall downward with a few flashes of what he initially showed us. Eventually Wilk leaves two years from now ( year 4 for sheldon in this timeline). The DL is average with him in year 5, and then is an absolute cluster in year 6. Would you continue to build around him as a center piece. It's apples and oranges don't you think? So you're saying that we should be surprised if we degrade the talent around Sheldon Richardson and he doesn't perform as well? I'm not sure that argument supports the point. If Rex was the problem then why is a GM being fired after only 2 years? If a first-time GM was providing the tools to win to the head coach then why is that GM fired so quickly? The Jets had a roster capable of 6 wins last year and won 8 games. They had a roster capable of 6 wins this year and won 4. I put the fault on the fact that the HC has only been given a roster capable of 6 wins for consecutive years. I don't look at the fact that the Minnesota OT game was winnable, that Nick Folk caused a 1-point loss to New England last week, that the Jets lost 16-13 to Miami with a QB that had both hands tied behind his back....and say that we could easily have been a 6 or 7 win team this year with a bounce of the ball here and there. The fact of the matter is that John Idzik wrecked the franchise in multiple ways - Wasting 12 draft picks in the deepest draft in a decade, leaving $ on the table that could been used to shore up major roster holes, and now leaving the Jets no choice but to fire the best coach they've had since 1999 because they couldn't fix the Idzik blunder without letting the HC go. I have mixed emotions. It's like being happy to find out that a serial killer died in a car accident.....then you realize he was driving your new Ferrari. We had to sacrifice Rex to correct the Idzik mistake. I'll get over it, but I just have little confidence in the ability of the organization to ever get things right. We've been trying to beat the Pats* for over a decade with Herm Edwards, Eric Mangini and then Rex Ryan at coach. When we're finally able to beat them we start to undermine the head coach and degrade the roster, then we fire the Head Coach who can't beat Tom B. while using Geno Smith at QB and two dudes at Cornerback that nobody has ever heard of. I simply don't believe that Rex Ryan can be held blameless for the roster degradation. The drafts and free agency moves reflect *his* bias and willingness to forgo excellence on the offense for a new toy on defense. In another thread we debated what Rex would be like with a strong offense. My answer is: just like his first two years here...and then that offense would wither on the vine from lack of attention, just like his last four years here. We both agree that he didn't have the players to win. We disagree on his role in creating this trouble. I believe that he put himself in that position with his flamboyant influence over team decisions. Through multiple offensive coordinators and multiple general managers, the Jets NEVER managed to build a consensus opinion of assembling a talented roster on offense. We can individually blame each lousy coordinator and each lousy GM, or we can point to the common element: Rex. The ONE way I see Rex being successful as a head coach is if someone above him tells him to Sit the Fuck Down, Shut the Fuck Up, and Welcome the Fucking Offensive Players we're about to draft and trade for. I simply do not see Rex willingly building a balanced team. He was best on a team built with little of his influence. He was worst after the prior management's roster was mostly a memory. I hate BB and Tommy as much as anyone. However, I see that these guys rely heavily on player talent on offense and coaching talent on defense. They win games and have home field throughout this year's playoffs. Rex puts all his strengths on defense and loses games. Rex can win if he has no power over personnel (Terminator, Scotty McKnight, Tajh Boyd, ...all hand picked [pun intended] by Rex for our offense). The question is will he learn to relinquish that power in his next gig or will he work with someone strong enough to wrest it from him. We never found that person and we had to let Rex go to stop the damage at 4-12. Oh...BTW...name any other coach who welcomes a gatorade bath at the conclusion of a 4-12 season. That incident is a microcosm of why he had to be fired: he played to have fun and missed the big picture. |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 29, 2014 18:47:23 GMT -5
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Post by copernicus on Dec 29, 2014 18:47:48 GMT -5
Listening to today's pressed is exactly why I dispise Woody Johnson. Spoiled billionaire who just never seems believable in every action he is a part of. I truly can't stand everything about him. Right down to his business suit and baseball cap. I went back and watched and listened to Woody Johnson speak and he is just so poor at it. He tries-to speak in football terms but sounds forced. When speaking about Idzik he says the "ying and yang" (?) and about him be "the good guy and not so good guy" (?) WHAT? He speaks in circles. Like when you realize you're listening to someone who you thought had it together but really doesn't. One moment he says he doesn't listen to the fans and the next he does. Coaches need to fit the scheme? Again, WHAT? When he spoke about Darrell Revis is was down right embarrassing. Why in the world would he talk about Revis? If I were in New England I'd be laughing my ass off. So unprofessional throwing coaches under the bus by going back and siting one play in Green Bay and how they should have run the ball instead of throw was just bizarre. He is in so far over his head it is embarrassing. Just not believable, zero confidence he will ever get it right.
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Post by Hotman on Dec 29, 2014 18:55:50 GMT -5
Listening to today's pressed is exactly why I dispise Woody Johnson. Spoiled billionaire who just never seems believable in every action he is a part of. I truly can't stand everything about him. Right down to his business suit and baseball cap. I went back and watched and listened to Woody Johnson speak and he is just so poor at it. He tries-to speak in football terms but sounds forced. When speaking about Idzik he says the "ying and yang" (?) and about him be "the good guy and not so good guy" (?) WHAT? He speaks in circles. Like when you realize you're listening to someone who you thought had it together but really doesn't. One moment he says he doesn't listen to the fans and the next he does. Coaches need to fit the scheme? Again, WHAT? When he spoke about Darrell Revis is was down right embarrassing and throwing coaches under the bus by going back and siting one play in Green Bay and how they should have run the ball instead of throw was just bizarre. He is in so far over his head it is embarrassing. Just not believable, zero confidence he will ever get it right. WELL IT'S A GOOD FUCKIN THING HE'S GOT CASSERLY AND WOLF STEERING THE SHIP AINT IT! |
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Post by copernicus on Dec 29, 2014 19:04:41 GMT -5
Listening to today's pressed is exactly why I dispise Woody Johnson. Spoiled billionaire who just never seems believable in every action he is a part of. I truly can't stand everything about him. Right down to his business suit and baseball cap. I went back and watched and listened to Woody Johnson speak and he is just so poor at it. He tries-to speak in football terms but sounds forced. When speaking about Idzik he says the "ying and yang" (?) and about him be "the good guy and not so good guy" (?) WHAT? He speaks in circles. Like when you realize you're listening to someone who you thought had it together but really doesn't. One moment he says he doesn't listen to the fans and the next he does. Coaches need to fit the scheme? Again, WHAT? When he spoke about Darrell Revis is was down right embarrassing and throwing coaches under the bus by going back and siting one play in Green Bay and how they should have run the ball instead of throw was just bizarre. He is in so far over his head it is embarrassing. Just not believable, zero confidence he will ever get it right. WELL IT'S A GOOD FUCKIN THING HE'S GOT CASSERLY AND WOLF STEERING THE SHIP AINT IT! What's the saying? "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice........" Seems like we've HAD the ship steered in the right directions a few times and then the billionaire stepped in and wanted a new shiny toy like Favre, then Tebow. He also claimed how we had no home field advantage yet we still play in Giants Stadium. Everything he touches turns to crap. He is an embarrassment. It's what happens when you never have to lift a finger in your life. Did you hear and watch this shit show? He sounds like an imbecile...... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2014 19:10:37 GMT -5
Listening to today's pressed is exactly why I dispise Woody Johnson. Spoiled billionaire who just never seems believable in every action he is a part of. I truly can't stand everything about him. Right down to his business suit and baseball cap. I went back and watched and listened to Woody Johnson speak and he is just so poor at it. He tries-to speak in football terms but sounds forced. When speaking about Idzik he says the "ying and yang" (?) and about him be "the good guy and not so good guy" (?) WHAT? He speaks in circles. Like when you realize you're listening to someone who you thought had it together but really doesn't. One moment he says he doesn't listen to the fans and the next he does. Coaches need to fit the scheme? Again, WHAT? When he spoke about Darrell Revis is was down right embarrassing. Why in the world would he talk about Revis? If I were in New England I'd be laughing my ass off. So unprofessional throwing coaches under the bus by going back and siting one play in Green Bay and how they should have run the ball instead of throw was just bizarre. He is in so far over his head it is embarrassing. Just not believable, zero confidence he will ever get it right. Meh; you've been grinding away at woody. I know *some* owners that would never speak or particularly care about the whims of the STH. It's not easy; and he made the move we all wanted. Now you're pasting him over his performance at the mic. your tone never changes; just saying. |
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Post by copernicus on Dec 29, 2014 19:17:48 GMT -5
Listening to today's pressed is exactly why I dispise Woody Johnson. Spoiled billionaire who just never seems believable in every action he is a part of. I truly can't stand everything about him. Right down to his business suit and baseball cap. I went back and watched and listened to Woody Johnson speak and he is just so poor at it. He tries-to speak in football terms but sounds forced. When speaking about Idzik he says the "ying and yang" (?) and about him be "the good guy and not so good guy" (?) WHAT? He speaks in circles. Like when you realize you're listening to someone who you thought had it together but really doesn't. One moment he says he doesn't listen to the fans and the next he does. Coaches need to fit the scheme? Again, WHAT? When he spoke about Darrell Revis is was down right embarrassing. Why in the world would he talk about Revis? If I were in New England I'd be laughing my ass off. So unprofessional throwing coaches under the bus by going back and siting one play in Green Bay and how they should have run the ball instead of throw was just bizarre. He is in so far over his head it is embarrassing. Just not believable, zero confidence he will ever get it right. Meh; you've been grinding away at woody. I know *some* owners that would never speak or particularly care about the whims of the STH. It's not easy; and he made the move we all wanted. Now you're pasting him over his performance at the mic. your tone never changes; just saying. Yes, my tone doesn't change about Woody, he never gives me reason to. He tries to trick the fans into believing he is just like us. It is an embarrassing act that has worn thin. I think he is a poor owner. Worse than Hess . At least Hess didn't patronize the fans. Hess was bad and left the team alone for the professionals to handle. Johnson is always meddling and then claims he's just like the fans. Their is an obvious second agenda (PBLs) behind every decision Johnson makes yet he tries the to fool the fans into thinking otherwise. I think he sucks on many levels. I have zero confidence he will ever get it right. I will also gladly eat crow if he does. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2014 19:21:59 GMT -5
Meh; you've been grinding away at woody. I know *some* owners that would never speak or particularly care about the whims of the STH. It's not easy; and he made the move we all wanted. Now you're pasting him over his performance at the mic. your tone never changes; just saying. Yes, my tone doesn't change about Woody, he never gives me reason to. He tries to trick the fans into believing he is just like us. It is an embarrassing act that has worn thin. I think he is a poor owner. Worse than Hess . At least Hess didn't patronize the fans. Hess was bad and left the team alone for the professionals to handle. Johnson is always meddling and then claims he's just like the fans. Their is an obvious second agenda (PBLs) behind every decision Johnson makes yet he tries the to fool the fans into thinking otherwise. I think he sucks on many levels. I agree with woody about the play and I think it's telling he knows the rabbit hole that swallowed his team. The only thing Hess "developed" was the Hofstra lockerroom. FU for spitting your hate back at me. You continue to stomp on your own credibility here; good luck to you. |
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Post by Hotman on Dec 29, 2014 19:25:45 GMT -5
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Post by copernicus on Dec 29, 2014 20:11:59 GMT -5
Yes, my tone doesn't change about Woody, he never gives me reason to. He tries to trick the fans into believing he is just like us. It is an embarrassing act that has worn thin. I think he is a poor owner. Worse than Hess . At least Hess didn't patronize the fans. Hess was bad and left the team alone for the professionals to handle. Johnson is always meddling and then claims he's just like the fans. Their is an obvious second agenda (PBLs) behind every decision Johnson makes yet he tries the to fool the fans into thinking otherwise. I think he sucks on many levels. I agree with woody about the play and I think it's telling he knows the rabbit hole that swallowed his team. The only thing Hess "developed" was the Hofstra lockerroom. FU for spitting your hate back at me. You continue to stomp on your own credibility here; good luck to you. A bit dramatic with the whole "FU for spitting your hate" don't ya think? My own credibility? Really? The HC/OC/and QB made a decision in SEPTEMBER to throw ONE pass at the end of a half and because it was an Int the owner calls out this ONE PLAY and throws everyone under the bus during a press conference where he just fired these same exact coaches? How FN immature and irresponsible on his part. Yes, the whole season is the fault of that ONE play so much that it would be brought up in a press conference for fired coaches who won't be able to respond to the owner. good lord, what an embarrassment. If we are going to call out ONE play, why not the undiscipled player who yelled TO and had a TD called back in the same game. How about the HC who didn't discipline his QB when he didn't show for a meeting. How about the first round pick who thought it was optional to go to meetings? In a 4-12 season it is moronic to bring up one play. How about be professional and simply say decisions were made that seemed positive when they were drawn up but weren't so we are moving on. So FN unprofessional but isn't that the typical billionaire owner response, "everyone else's fault but mine." How about stepping up and saying, it all begins and ends with me because I make the last decisions around here and my decisions are the reason for the dreadful season we had. Instead we get babble, "I listen to the fans, i don't listen to the fans", throwing coaches under the bus, hesitant speak, and talking in circles about other teams players that could result in tampering. All from A FN PRESS CONFERENCE?  ?? But very typical of Woody Johnsons Jets |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 29, 2014 20:12:12 GMT -5
Meh; you've been grinding away at woody. I know *some* owners that would never speak or particularly care about the whims of the STH. It's not easy; and he made the move we all wanted. Now you're pasting him over his performance at the mic. your tone never changes; just saying. Yes, my tone doesn't change about Woody, he never gives me reason to. He tries to trick the fans into believing he is just like us. It is an embarrassing act that has worn thin. I think he is a poor owner. Worse than Hess . At least Hess didn't patronize the fans. Hess was bad and left the team alone for the professionals to handle. Johnson is always meddling and then claims he's just like the fans. Their is an obvious second agenda (PBLs) behind every decision Johnson makes yet he tries the to fool the fans into thinking otherwise. I think he sucks on many levels. I have zero confidence he will ever get it right. I will also gladly eat crow if he does. OMG Hess was the worst owner in the history of NY sports. He meddled when he shouldn't have (see Kotite hiring) and stood pat letting the team loose in pathetic fashion year after year otherwise. If it wasn't for joe Walton's draft picks, the jets would have had zero success in the Hess pre Parcells era. |
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Post by choon328 on Dec 29, 2014 20:17:44 GMT -5
Meh; you've been grinding away at woody. I know *some* owners that would never speak or particularly care about the whims of the STH. It's not easy; and he made the move we all wanted. Now you're pasting him over his performance at the mic. your tone never changes; just saying. Yes, my tone doesn't change about Woody, he never gives me reason to. He tries to trick the fans into believing he is just like us. It is an embarrassing act that has worn thin. I think he is a poor owner. Worse than Hess . At least Hess didn't patronize the fans. Hess was bad and left the team alone for the professionals to handle. Johnson is always meddling and then claims he's just like the fans. Their is an obvious second agenda (PBLs) behind every decision Johnson makes yet he tries the to fool the fans into thinking otherwise. I think he sucks on many levels. I have zero confidence he will ever get it right. I will also gladly eat crow if he does. So you're basically saying he's tricking "us" into believing he wants a winner when all he really wants is to sell PSL's and tickets? I don't know him personally but I'm sure he's smart enough to know that the biggest thing that will impact PSL and ticket sales would be putting a winning team on the field. It flies directly into the face of what you're saying. And you use Favre as an example of him just trying to make a big splash to sell PSL's yet maybe, just maybe, Woody knew that Favre would help us be a better team which would then help with PSL and tickets sales. It's in his interest to put the best team on the field and the best GM and Coaches around this team. I'm pretty sure Woody has no problem spending money and has gone out in the past and got big ticket free agent pieces to try to help this team. I also think to argue that he's not a "fan" of the Jets is so ridiculous. This dude owns the damn team. He may not be a Jet lifer but he sure as hell has way more invested than any of us. Just my opinion. |
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Post by choon328 on Dec 29, 2014 20:23:19 GMT -5
I agree with woody about the play and I think it's telling he knows the rabbit hole that swallowed his team. The only thing Hess "developed" was the Hofstra lockerroom. FU for spitting your hate back at me. You continue to stomp on your own credibility here; good luck to you. A bit dramatic with the whole "FU for spitting your hate" don't ya think? My own credibility? Really? The HC/OC/and QB made a decision in SEPTEMBER to throw ONE pass at the end of a half and because it was an Int the owner calls out this ONE PLAY and throws everyone under the bus during a press conference where he just fired these same exact coaches? How FN immature and irresponsible on his part. Yes, the whole season is the fault of that ONE play so much that it would be brought up in a press conference for fired coaches who won't be able to respond to the owner. good lord, what an embarrassment. If we are going to call out ONE play, why not the undiscipled player who yelled TO and had a TD called back in the same game. How about the HC who didn't discipline his QB when he didn't show for a meeting. How about the first round pick who thought it was optional to go to meetings? In a 4-12 season it is moronic to bring up one play. How about be professional and simply say decisions were made that seemed positive when they were drawn up but weren't so we are moving on. So FN unprofessional but isn't that the typical billionaire owner response, "everyone else's fault but mine." How about stepping up and saying, it all begins and ends with me because I make the last decisions around here and my decisions are the reason for the dreadful season we had. Instead we get babble, "I listen to the fans, i don't listen to the fans", throwing coaches under the bus, hesitant speak, and talking in circles about other teams players that could result in tampering. All from A FN PRESS CONFERENCE? ?? But very typical of Woody Johnsons Jets Did you watch the press conference? He took full responsibility for what has happened b/c he was asked that direct question. The GB analogy was just an example of things that he didn't like about this coaching staff and team. He was very open and honest about what went wrong and where it went wrong. He talked about the faults in the coaching staff and in management. He was there to explain why he let the GM and HC go and he did that pretty well. He wasn't there to talk about players. I can pretty much guarantee that if he gave prepared BS answers to every question that you would be criticizing that. And that's why the other guy said your credibility is taking a hit, on this subject. If you can't be rational about a subject, whatever it is, then you're not believable and can't be taken seriously in my opinion. We've all been there about one thing or another. |
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Post by copernicus on Dec 29, 2014 20:31:48 GMT -5
Yes, my tone doesn't change about Woody, he never gives me reason to. He tries to trick the fans into believing he is just like us. It is an embarrassing act that has worn thin. I think he is a poor owner. Worse than Hess . At least Hess didn't patronize the fans. Hess was bad and left the team alone for the professionals to handle. Johnson is always meddling and then claims he's just like the fans. Their is an obvious second agenda (PBLs) behind every decision Johnson makes yet he tries the to fool the fans into thinking otherwise. I think he sucks on many levels. I have zero confidence he will ever get it right. I will also gladly eat crow if he does. OMG Hess was the worst owner in the history of NY sports. He meddled when he shouldn't have (see Kotite hiring) and stood pat letting the team loose in pathetic fashion year after year otherwise. If it wasn't for joe Walton's draft picks, the jets would have had zero success in the Hess pre Parcells era. Of course Hess was awful. Kotitie and Coslet were awful. Having few position coaches was alarming. As far as the fan experience, at the very least I did not feel like Hess was patronizing fans into shelling out ridiculous expenses for such an unprofessional product. As bad as Hess was he hired Walton, Pete Carroll and Parcellls. We've had players like Klecko, Freeman McNeil, Ken O'Brien, Wesely Walker, and Al Toon. All great players who were respectful human beings. And Woody? Chose not to resign class players like Cotchery, and Thomas Jones but had no problem with the Santio Holmes of the world, Lost Belicheck to NE when he was already employed in our building, traded for Favre pinning an upcoming HC in Mangini against a prima Dona QB which turned out to be what many thought a recipe for disaster, lost arguable our best defensive player ever in Revis, speculation it was Johnson who was the driving force for trading for Tebow after we extended Sanchez which sabatiged any hope for success, lost our own stadium that we still share with big brother for the next 99 years, pay for PBLs, and have created an atmosphere that has been labeled a circus by most of the media. MUCH better than Hess? ......... |
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