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Post by Ff2 on Jan 17, 2017 17:04:55 GMT -5
www.nytimes.com/2017/01/15/us/politics/trump-health-law-replacement.html?mwrsm=Facebook&_r=0Trump Promises ‘Insurance for Everybody’ as Health Law Replacement WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump said this weekend that he was nearly ready to unveil a plan to replace President Obama’s Affordable Care Act with “ insurance for everybody.” Mr. Trump, in an interview Saturday evening with The Washington Post, said that health care offered under his plan would come “ in a much simplified form — much less expensive and much better.” “ We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Mr. Trump said. “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”In the interview, Mr. Trump provided no details about how his plan would work or what it would cost. He spoke in the same generalities that he used to describe his health care goals during the campaign — that it would be “great health care” that left people “beautifully covered.” He also offered no explanation of how he would persuade Congress to pass his plan, though he indicated that it would have the backing of the House speaker, Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin, and the Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky. Mr. Trump said only that “I won’t tell you how, but we will get approval.”He seemed to refer to his recent Twitter posts that helped persuade House Republicans to back away from a proposal to gut an ethics office. “You see what’s happened in the House in recent weeks,” he said. Top aides to Mr. Trump declined to provide more information about the president-elect’s plans. In an interview last week with The New York Times, Mr. Trump said he wanted Congress to repeal the Affordable Care Act and replace it “very quickly or simultaneously, very shortly thereafter.” The president-elect told The Post that his plan would be unveiled soon after the Senate confirmed Representative Tom Price, Republican of Georgia, to be the secretary of health and human services. Providing health insurance to everyone in the country is likely to be very costly, a fact that could diminish support from fiscal conservatives. And liberals who support Mr. Obama’s health care plan — which provides coverage to 20 million people — may be wary of the fine print of a program that claims to cover everybody. Mr. Trump said specifically on Saturday that “ I don’t want single-payer.” He told The Post that he would force drug manufacturers to negotiate better prices with Medicaid and Medicare, the government-run health programs. Asked how he would force the drug companies to do that, he noted the public pressure that he had exerted on other companies, mentioning his Twitter posts criticizing cost overruns for Lockheed Martin’s F-35 fighter jet. Last week, the House and the Senate began the process of repealing Mr. Obama’s health care law by approving parliamentary language that allows them to proceed without the threat of a filibuster by Democrats. But Republicans have expressed anxiety about the demands from Mr. Trump and others for a quick replacement of the law. Many believe that will require a very complex plan that could be tricky to develop and push through Congress.
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Post by DDNYjets on Jan 17, 2017 17:51:45 GMT -5
If only the media had vetted Obama this well in 2008 perhaps we would have known what was in Obamacare before it became law. It has gone from "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor" to its so big and so fucked up that replacing it is too hard so just keep it. That is essentially the best defense for keeping the law now.
The plan all along was for it to fail and for us to eventually have to succumb to single-payer.
Like it or not, Obamacare was on the ballot this year. And elections have consequences.
I will wait and see what they come up with. The bar is so low right now that I can't imagine a scenario where there isnt improvement.
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Post by 2foolish on Jan 17, 2017 20:44:48 GMT -5
Bad credit.. No credit... If u have a job and make 199 a week ur automatically approved...
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Post by PK on Jan 17, 2017 21:50:15 GMT -5
Why bother having insurance companies at all if everyone gets everything for free? Just make medical care free and fuck letting some insurance company profit.
Where the fuck did this "I want everything for free" shit start.
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Post by tkasper01 on Jan 18, 2017 6:14:12 GMT -5
Why bother having insurance companies at all if everyone gets everything for free? Just make medical care free and fuck letting some insurance company profit. Where the fuck did this "I want everything for free" shit start. Washington Circa 2008
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Jan 18, 2017 6:33:15 GMT -5
Personally I think the Federal government is involved in way too much, but ironically if I was building a country from scratch the first and second things on a very short list of what the government should do would be healthcare and college education. I'm a fan of the Australian two system model. You can get your government run healthcare paid for by tax dollars, or buy insurance/pay out of your pocket to treat with a privately owned healthcare provider. The competition from the government keeps market prices from going through the roof. But, everyone knows private healthcare is better.
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Post by Trades on Jan 18, 2017 8:56:38 GMT -5
Why bother having insurance companies at all if everyone gets everything for free? Just make medical care free and fuck letting some insurance company profit. Where the fuck did this "I want everything for free" shit start. FDR and then increased exponentially with LBJ.
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Post by Trades on Jan 18, 2017 8:59:13 GMT -5
Personally I think the Federal government is involved in way too much, but ironically if I was building a country from scratch the first and second things on a very short list of what the government should do would be healthcare and college education. I'm a fan of the Australian two system model. You can get your government run healthcare paid for by tax dollars, or buy insurance/pay out of your pocket to treat with a privately owned healthcare provider. The competition from the government keeps market prices from going through the roof. But, everyone knows private healthcare is better. On the surface "free" healthcare and college and everything else sounds great until you actually put some thought into the how and who will pay for it. The beauty of socialism is it brings most of the people to the same (extremely low) level from which you can never rise but the elites have anything they want. See Venezuela, Cuba and the USSR for the extreme versions.
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Post by Ff2 on Jan 18, 2017 10:06:32 GMT -5
If only the media had vetted Obama this well in 2008 perhaps we would have known what was in Obamacare before it became law. It has gone from "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor" to its so big and so fucked up that replacing it is too hard so just keep it. That is essentially the best defense for keeping the law now. The plan all along was for it to fail and for us to eventually have to succumb to single-payer. Like it or not, Obamacare was on the ballot this year. And elections have consequences. I will wait and see what they come up with. The bar is so low right now that I can't imagine a scenario where there isnt improvement. Vetted? Without revealing ANYTHING about his plan Trump just offered up "healthcare for all." (I think he forgot he wasn't still campaigning.) Seems to have taken a page straight out of Obama's playbook. Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
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Post by Ff2 on Jan 18, 2017 10:07:28 GMT -5
Why bother having insurance companies at all if everyone gets everything for free? Just make medical care free and fuck letting some insurance company profit. Commie.
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Post by PK on Jan 18, 2017 10:32:58 GMT -5
Personally I think the Federal government is involved in way too much, but ironically if I was building a country from scratch the first and second things on a very short list of what the government should do would be healthcare and college education. I'm a fan of the Australian two system model. You can get your government run healthcare paid for by tax dollars, or buy insurance/pay out of your pocket to treat with a privately owned healthcare provider. The competition from the government keeps market prices from going through the roof. But, everyone knows private healthcare is better. I'd skip the college thing. 50% of college students don't belong there. And if college is THAT important to find employment...perhaps students should be better educated in high school. I work in a department where my one supervisor went to Cornell, the other to Michigan and my co-worker went to Fordham. Yesterday...Cornell guy asked me what M&O stood for in the general ledger for a project we operate, Michigan guy couldn't understand why the operating performa would run in the red if expenses increased 3% a year and income 2%. And I had to show Fordham chick...again...how to use the percent function on a calculator. Glad my 9th grade education is really paying off...lol
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Post by DDNYjets on Jan 18, 2017 10:39:57 GMT -5
If only the media had vetted Obama this well in 2008 perhaps we would have known what was in Obamacare before it became law. It has gone from "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor" to its so big and so fucked up that replacing it is too hard so just keep it. That is essentially the best defense for keeping the law now. The plan all along was for it to fail and for us to eventually have to succumb to single-payer. Like it or not, Obamacare was on the ballot this year. And elections have consequences. I will wait and see what they come up with. The bar is so low right now that I can't imagine a scenario where there isnt improvement. Vetted? Without revealing ANYTHING about his plan Trump just offered up "healthcare for all." (I think he forgot he wasn't still campaigning.) Seems to have taken a page straight out of Obama's playbook. Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss. What is revealing it going to do? As if the media would approve of anything they put forth. All that will do is poison the wells for any Dems that are actually willing to work with the Reps on this. When the bill is put before Congress then we will see it. And I am sure the press will make sure we know every typo in the bill. Have no fear. There is zero chance the new one gets passed like Obamacare did. That is impossible without a compliant press.
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Post by Ff2 on Jan 18, 2017 10:47:41 GMT -5
Vetted? Without revealing ANYTHING about his plan Trump just offered up "healthcare for all." (I think he forgot he wasn't still campaigning.) Seems to have taken a page straight out of Obama's playbook. Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss. What is revealing it going to do? As if the media would approve of anything they put forth. All that will do is poison the wells for any Dems that are actually willing to work with the Reps on this. When the bill is put before Congress then we will see it. And I am sure the press will make sure we know every typo in the bill. Have no fear. There is zero chance the new one gets passed like Obamacare did. That is impossible without a compliant press. Soooooo Obama should have revealed all...but Trump shouldn't. GOP House and GOP Congress...they can pass what they want...who cares about the media? I'm just happy he's promised healthcare for all. Sounds great to me.
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Post by DDNYjets on Jan 18, 2017 12:57:52 GMT -5
What is revealing it going to do? As if the media would approve of anything they put forth. All that will do is poison the wells for any Dems that are actually willing to work with the Reps on this. When the bill is put before Congress then we will see it. And I am sure the press will make sure we know every typo in the bill. Have no fear. There is zero chance the new one gets passed like Obamacare did. That is impossible without a compliant press. Soooooo Obama should have revealed all...but Trump shouldn't. GOP House and GOP Congress...they can pass what they want...who cares about the media? I'm just happy he's promised healthcare for all. Sounds great to me. The media should have vetted him the way they did Trump. Then Obama should have worked with Republicans in Congress to come up with a bill that everyone could live with. Instead they rammed it through. Just like many of his other "achievements". Pen and a phone. I dont care if the new bill is revealed to the press bc frankly all that will happen is Dems will get pressure to oppose it. Dems that would have normally worked with them and helped form some sort of consensus. We know the current law is dying on its own volition. They say people are gonna lose their healthcare but they were going to lose it anyway once the law imploded. I am for letting them do what they want in Congress behind closed doors bc I know there are many Democrats in fly over states that want to be part of the process and letting this play out in the media will hurt that.
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Post by Big L on Jan 18, 2017 13:09:35 GMT -5
If college is free for everyone, then wouldn't a college education become almost irrelevant?
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