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Post by ryu79 on Apr 28, 2017 8:52:00 GMT -5
Keith mentioned how the 9 years of defensive pics got to him. Well, he could be speaking for all of us. I wanted offense but only certain guys and I was ok with defense but only certain guys. I want nothing short of a complete rebuild. And if you've going to do that, you only look at the players on your roster who are worth keeping, the players on other teams wortth attaining and the players worth drafting. Adams fits the latter. I have no idea what we have in Hackenberg. I can honestly say that I am not overly optimistic about him. I like certain things about him. He's smart and was loyal to Penn State when it would have been easy to bail on the program. He has/had talent but took a beating after PSU lost the scholarships. Ultimately, I don't care about the excuses, I care about the results. Only the homerest of homers truly believes that Hack is going to be good. Most of us are cynical. Hopefully we are all proven wrong. But if not, I hope we have a dogshit year and get the first pick in the 2018 draft. If the draft has proven anything to us all, it's that every draft has a QB that people fall in love with, despite the scouting reports of other teams and the media. I am hoping to nab one of those QBs next year. Feel same, just concerned about all the leaks. Trying to keep open mind on Hack. The thing about suck for Darnold is that I remember Hack was the #1 projected pick in the same circumstances and Geno was projected #1 half way through his senior year - best case scenario for Jets is Hack becoming that guy Mcshay and others thought he could be.
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Post by Paradis on Apr 28, 2017 9:09:59 GMT -5
Honestly after Fournette went off the board -- it was 100% guarantee that it was going to be DB of some kind. We haven't taken a WR in the first in over 15 years, so that wasn't going to happen.
ON TO TAMPA..
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Post by jif on Apr 28, 2017 10:43:54 GMT -5
2) Leadership. Going back to his UM days, Ed Reed was a fiery leader. Adams is comparable to Reed in this regard. This is the part that stuck out for me. Leading up to the draft yesterday, it seemed as if everyone who met the kid loved him as a natural leader. Lewis Riddick, a former scout even said he would take him #1 ahead of Garrett. He was just raving about his leadership ability and how he will instantly elevate the guys around him. Last night, I was disappointed that we didn't take Howard/Williams/Davis. I think the 9 years of history got to me. Thought it was a lot like the Leonard Williams pick from 2 years ago, but with one huge difference. Adams plays a position of need and instantly makes the team better. I love his instincts at the line of scrimmage, in the run and screen game. I wanted an offensive playmaker, but the team is much better today than they were yesterday. I can't complain about the pick. This is exactly where I land with the pick. Like, we were seeing everything the same way. I landed on the Howard/Williams/Davis train as well. It reminds me a ton of the Williams situation. A player fell in our lap that I never expected to be there and I'm grateful for it.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Apr 28, 2017 11:01:50 GMT -5
Keith mentioned how the 9 years of defensive pics got to him. Well, he could be speaking for all of us. I wanted offense but only certain guys and I was ok with defense but only certain guys. I want nothing short of a complete rebuild. And if you've going to do that, you only look at the players on your roster who are worth keeping, the players on other teams wortth attaining and the players worth drafting. Adams fits the latter. I have no idea what we have in Hackenberg. I can honestly say that I am not overly optimistic about him. I like certain things about him. He's smart and was loyal to Penn State when it would have been easy to bail on the program. He has/had talent but took a beating after PSU lost the scholarships. Ultimately, I don't care about the excuses, I care about the results. Only the homerest of homers truly believes that Hack is going to be good. Most of us are cynical. Hopefully we are all proven wrong. But if not, I hope we have a dogshit year and get the first pick in the 2018 draft. If the draft has proven anything to us all, it's that every draft has a QB that people fall in love with, despite the scouting reports of other teams and the media. I am hoping to nab one of those QBs next year. Feel same, just concerned about all the leaks. Trying to keep open mind on Hack. The thing about suck for Darnold is that I remember Hack was the #1 projected pick in the same circumstances and Geno was projected #1 half way through his senior year - best case scenario for Jets is Hack becoming that guy Mcshay and others thought he could be. It's not just darnold. There are at least 4 QBs in next year's draft that project to be better pros than all of the QBs in this draft.
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Apr 28, 2017 11:54:37 GMT -5
Feel same, just concerned about all the leaks. Trying to keep open mind on Hack. The thing about suck for Darnold is that I remember Hack was the #1 projected pick in the same circumstances and Geno was projected #1 half way through his senior year - best case scenario for Jets is Hack becoming that guy Mcshay and others thought he could be. It's not just darnold. There are at least 4 QBs in next year's draft that project to be better pros than all of the QBs in this draft. Thats the thing, you've got 4, 5 QBs who may be better than this crop. Suck for Sam has a nice ring to it but its really just position yourself to get one of those guys. They said it on NFL network last night, the new model seems to be get all the other pieces in place and then drop in a franchise QB for a bunch of cheap years to start... Seattle kind of did it, and it looks like the Browns are trying it too.
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Post by ryu79 on Apr 28, 2017 12:21:28 GMT -5
Feel same, just concerned about all the leaks. Trying to keep open mind on Hack. The thing about suck for Darnold is that I remember Hack was the #1 projected pick in the same circumstances and Geno was projected #1 half way through his senior year - best case scenario for Jets is Hack becoming that guy Mcshay and others thought he could be. It's not just darnold. There are at least 4 QBs in next year's draft that project to be better pros than all of the QBs in this draft. I get it and I prefer a couple of them too Darnold (can't get over USC thing yet) - but my point was just that you never know what will happen in the year between drafts.
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Apr 28, 2017 13:25:47 GMT -5
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Apr 28, 2017 15:21:31 GMT -5
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Post by Touchable on Apr 28, 2017 15:36:53 GMT -5
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Apr 28, 2017 15:49:43 GMT -5
33 is not particularly rich in Jets history. He may already be the best Jet to wear 33.
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Post by Touchable on Apr 28, 2017 16:15:02 GMT -5
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Post by JStokes on Apr 28, 2017 16:36:12 GMT -5
Keith mentioned how the 9 years of defensive pics got to him. Well, he could be speaking for all of us. I wanted offense but only certain guys and I was ok with defense but only certain guys. I want nothing short of a complete rebuild. And if you've going to do that, you only look at the players on your roster who are worth keeping, the players on other teams wortth attaining and the players worth drafting. Adams fits the latter. I have no idea what we have in Hackenberg. I can honestly say that I am not overly optimistic about him. I like certain things about him. He's smart and was loyal to Penn State when it would have been easy to bail on the program. He has/had talent but took a beating after PSU lost the scholarships. Ultimately, I don't care about the excuses, I care about the results. Only the homerest of homers truly believes that Hack is going to be good. Most of us are cynical. Hopefully we are all proven wrong. But if not, I hope we have a dogshit year and get the first pick in the 2018 draft. If the draft has proven anything to us all, it's that every draft has a QB that people fall in love with, despite the scouting reports of other teams and the media. I am hoping to nab one of those QBs next year. Feel same, just concerned about all the leaks. Trying to keep open mind on Hack. The thing about suck for Darnold is that I remember Hack was the #1 projected pick in the same circumstances and Geno was projected #1 half way through his senior year - best case scenario for Jets is Hack becoming that guy Mcshay and others thought he could be. If you saw Hack play his freshman year you realize his "projection" as a number 1 pick was the same reason we drafted him. Because he was big with a big arm. Not because he was any good. And the "projections" about Geno were Pie in the sky projections based on gaudy numbers against James Madison. I mean, who knew James Madison even played football. Once he faced real completion no one ever again mentioned the Heisman or the number 1 pick. It'd be like projecting Lamar Jackson or in the past Colt Brennan as the number 1 pick. We obviously have to watch him this year but Darnold and for me Falk give me the very impression they'll be future NFL starters. _
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 16:37:10 GMT -5
Seriously? The Jets just blew another 1st round pick on a non-playmaking, non-gamechanging safety and you guys are pounding your puds? Isn't that why they wasted a 1st round pick on Pryor a couple of years ago? Good luck scoring 10 points a game with the worst offense in the NFL.
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Post by JStokes on Apr 28, 2017 16:42:14 GMT -5
Seriously? The Jets just blew another 1st round pick on a non-playmaking, non-gamechanging safety and you guys are pounding your puds? Isn't that why they wasted a 1st round pick on Pryor a couple of years ago? Good luck scoring 10 points a game with the worst offense in the NFL. Hey jerkoff- you realize you quoted a video that none of us had any input into? Why don't you email Gruden. Jerkoff. _
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Post by ryu79 on Apr 28, 2017 16:43:08 GMT -5
Feel same, just concerned about all the leaks. Trying to keep open mind on Hack. The thing about suck for Darnold is that I remember Hack was the #1 projected pick in the same circumstances and Geno was projected #1 half way through his senior year - best case scenario for Jets is Hack becoming that guy Mcshay and others thought he could be. If you saw Hack play his freshman year you realize his "projection" as a number 1 pick was the same reason we drafted him. Because he was big with a big arm. Not because he was any good. And the "projections" about Geno were Pie in the sky projections based on gaudy numbers against James Madison. I mean, who knew James Madison even played football. Once he faced real completion no one ever again mentioned the Heisman or the number 1 pick. It'd be like projecting Lamar Jackson or in the past Colt Brennan as the number 1 pick. We obviously have to watch him this year but Darnold and for me Falk give me the very impression they'll be future NFL starters. _ But those were the projections. And there are Barkleys and Leinharts that followed a similar pattern after playing more solid competition. I like the qbs next year, just saying there is a lot that will happen between now and then.
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