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Post by southside on Apr 29, 2017 9:26:14 GMT -5
2) Leadership. Going back to his UM days, Ed Reed was a fiery leader. Adams is comparable to Reed in this regard. This is the part that stuck out for me. Leading up to the draft yesterday, it seemed as if everyone who met the kid loved him as a natural leader. Lewis Riddick, a former scout even said he would take him #1 ahead of Garrett. He was just raving about his leadership ability and how he will instantly elevate the guys around him. Last night, I was disappointed that we didn't take Howard/Williams/Davis. I think the 9 years of history got to me. Thought it was a lot like the Leonard Williams pick from 2 years ago, but with one huge difference. Adams plays a position of need and instantly makes the team better. I love his instincts at the line of scrimmage, in the run and screen game. I wanted an offensive playmaker, but the team is much better today than they were yesterday. I can't complain about the pick. Ed Reed might have been a great leader but no one would have known it because that was unequivocally Ray Lewis' team for 20 years. And in my opinion that type of leadership while great from other players is needed and most important at the ILB position. They are the QB of the defense. They need to be the absolute leader. David Harris has never been that guy but I do like what he gave us the last 8 years. I just think this kid's greatest strength is one of the least important attributes to have at that position. And he did NOT have impact plays the way he should have for all the chatter. They love his interview. That's great, he should have been a salesman then. How about a guy that shows up on game day and wreaks havoc... I stopped watching highlight films long ago. You can make Vernon Gholston and Kyle Burnt Toast Wilson look amazing in a highlight film. I want to see stats, impact, and full game tape. This kid isn't Troy PeePeeHair. He doesn't make that kind of impact. And even Troy wasn't drafted that high. Sean Taylor went around there but he was also labeled a can't miss safety with amazing measurements... And he never had the impact in the NFL. This pick reminds me more of Sean Taylor and less of Ed Reed and Troy PeePeeHair.
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Post by carlito1171 on Apr 29, 2017 10:09:04 GMT -5
If Jamal Adams turns out to be the 2nd coming of Sean Taylor then sign me up!
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Post by southside on Apr 29, 2017 10:34:15 GMT -5
If Jamal Adams turns out to be the 2nd coming of Sean Taylor then sign me up! Excellent sir, now how many pass interference and Unnecessary Roughness (2 gets you kicked out of the game) penalties would you like us to sign you up for? Sean Taylor wasn't worth his draft pick. Great college player, could be considered a bust by what he was expected to do. Don't get me wrong, he was a good safety. He was not what people expected him to be. Kind of like Reggie Bush except he had a good career unlike the 3rd down back role Bush played.
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Post by Lithfan on Apr 29, 2017 10:42:16 GMT -5
This is the part that stuck out for me. Leading up to the draft yesterday, it seemed as if everyone who met the kid loved him as a natural leader. Lewis Riddick, a former scout even said he would take him #1 ahead of Garrett. He was just raving about his leadership ability and how he will instantly elevate the guys around him. Last night, I was disappointed that we didn't take Howard/Williams/Davis. I think the 9 years of history got to me. Thought it was a lot like the Leonard Williams pick from 2 years ago, but with one huge difference. Adams plays a position of need and instantly makes the team better. I love his instincts at the line of scrimmage, in the run and screen game. I wanted an offensive playmaker, but the team is much better today than they were yesterday. I can't complain about the pick. Ed Reed might have been a great leader but no one would have known it because that was unequivocally Ray Lewis' team for 20 years. And in my opinion that type of leadership while great from other players is needed and most important at the ILB position. They are the QB of the defense. They need to be the absolute leader. David Harris has never been that guy but I do like what he gave us the last 8 years. I just think this kid's greatest strength is one of the least important attributes to have at that position. And he did NOT have impact plays the way he should have for all the chatter. They love his interview. That's great, he should have been a salesman then. How about a guy that shows up on game day and wreaks havoc... I stopped watching highlight films long ago. You can make Vernon Gholston and Kyle Burnt Toast Wilson look amazing in a highlight film. I want to see stats, impact, and full game tape. This kid isn't Troy PeePeeHair. He doesn't make that kind of impact. And even Troy wasn't drafted that high. Sean Taylor went around there but he was also labeled a can't miss safety with amazing measurements... And he never had the impact in the NFL. This pick reminds me more of Sean Taylor and less of Ed Reed and Troy PeePeeHair. Don't have it in me to argue with you after yesterday. For the record, I do watch game tape, not highlight films. The kid is a good player. His game tape is way better than Pryor's and I like him a lot better than a guy like Malik Hooker. He has great instincts, much better play recognition than a guy like Darron Lee from last year. He makes our team better. If you want to argue that as a safety, the positional value to take him at 6 was not there. Can't argue with you. I would have preferred OJ Howard or Mike Williams or a trade down, especially after taking Marcus Maye in the 2nd round. We continually ignore the most important positions in the game: edge, #1 WR, feature back, shut down corner, LT and QB. After yesterday, I understand and I feel your frustration.
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Post by southside on Apr 29, 2017 10:50:08 GMT -5
Ed Reed might have been a great leader but no one would have known it because that was unequivocally Ray Lewis' team for 20 years. And in my opinion that type of leadership while great from other players is needed and most important at the ILB position. They are the QB of the defense. They need to be the absolute leader. David Harris has never been that guy but I do like what he gave us the last 8 years. I just think this kid's greatest strength is one of the least important attributes to have at that position. And he did NOT have impact plays the way he should have for all the chatter. They love his interview. That's great, he should have been a salesman then. How about a guy that shows up on game day and wreaks havoc... I stopped watching highlight films long ago. You can make Vernon Gholston and Kyle Burnt Toast Wilson look amazing in a highlight film. I want to see stats, impact, and full game tape. This kid isn't Troy PeePeeHair. He doesn't make that kind of impact. And even Troy wasn't drafted that high. Sean Taylor went around there but he was also labeled a can't miss safety with amazing measurements... And he never had the impact in the NFL. This pick reminds me more of Sean Taylor and less of Ed Reed and Troy PeePeeHair. Don't have it in me to argue with you after yesterday. For the record, I do watch game tape, not highlight films. The kid is a good player. His game tape is way better than Pryor's and I like him a lot better than a guy like Malik Hooker. He has great instincts, much better play recognition than a guy like Darron Lee from last year. He makes our team better. If you want to argue that as a safety, the positional value to take him at 6 was not there. Can't argue with you. I would have preferred OJ Howard or Mike Williams or a trade down, especially after taking Marcus Maye in the 2nd round. We continually ignore the most important positions in the game: edge, #1 WR, feature back, shut down corner, LT and QB. After yesterday, I understand and I feel your frustration. This man gets it.
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Post by JStokes on Apr 29, 2017 11:03:34 GMT -5
Ed Reed might have been a great leader but no one would have known it because that was unequivocally Ray Lewis' team for 20 years. And in my opinion that type of leadership while great from other players is needed and most important at the ILB position. They are the QB of the defense. They need to be the absolute leader. David Harris has never been that guy but I do like what he gave us the last 8 years. I just think this kid's greatest strength is one of the least important attributes to have at that position. And he did NOT have impact plays the way he should have for all the chatter. They love his interview. That's great, he should have been a salesman then. How about a guy that shows up on game day and wreaks havoc... I stopped watching highlight films long ago. You can make Vernon Gholston and Kyle Burnt Toast Wilson look amazing in a highlight film. I want to see stats, impact, and full game tape. This kid isn't Troy PeePeeHair. He doesn't make that kind of impact. And even Troy wasn't drafted that high. Sean Taylor went around there but he was also labeled a can't miss safety with amazing measurements... And he never had the impact in the NFL. This pick reminds me more of Sean Taylor and less of Ed Reed and Troy PeePeeHair. Don't have it in me to argue with you after yesterday. For the record, I do watch game tape, not highlight films. The kid is a good player. His game tape is way better than Pryor's and I like him a lot better than a guy like Malik Hooker. He has great instincts, much better play recognition than a guy like Darron Lee from last year. He makes our team better. If you want to argue that as a safety, the positional value to take him at 6 was not there. Can't argue with you. I would have preferred OJ Howard or Mike Williams or a trade down, especially after taking Marcus Maye in the 2nd round. We continually ignore the most important positions in the game: edge, #1 WR, feature back, shut down corner, LT and QB. After yesterday, I understand and I feel your frustration. To be fair, we had not yet taken Maye when we were on the clock in round 1. _
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Post by Lithfan on Apr 29, 2017 11:10:53 GMT -5
Don't have it in me to argue with you after yesterday. For the record, I do watch game tape, not highlight films. The kid is a good player. His game tape is way better than Pryor's and I like him a lot better than a guy like Malik Hooker. He has great instincts, much better play recognition than a guy like Darron Lee from last year. He makes our team better. If you want to argue that as a safety, the positional value to take him at 6 was not there. Can't argue with you. I would have preferred OJ Howard or Mike Williams or a trade down, especially after taking Marcus Maye in the 2nd round. We continually ignore the most important positions in the game: edge, #1 WR, feature back, shut down corner, LT and QB. After yesterday, I understand and I feel your frustration. To be fair, we had not yet taken Maye when we were on the clock in round 1. _ Agreed. Clearly I am talking with the benefit of hindsight. We may have taken two good players with our first two picks. But that does not necessarily make for a good draft. Had we come away with Adams and Cook, I would be a lot happier with the pick. Had we come away with Williams and Maye, I would have gotten it. But Maye and Adams. Not happy with that at all. I hope I will be proven wrong, but right now, I am not real happy with the way this team is being built.
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Post by southside on Apr 29, 2017 12:44:29 GMT -5
Here's my problem, and I know you guys think I over reacted at the time. But I am reacting to the situation based on the last 10 drafts. Every year I say they CAN'T go defense here again and they do it AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.
We started 10 different OL players last year. There was the highest rated player on the board at any position available. You can't tell me there were no good lineman in the draft. Our running game and passing game would have greatly benefited from building the team the right way. But they got a safety at a time when the NFL has basically devalued the position. They did it 3 years ago with Calvin Pryor and even then we were like WTF would you do that when you can't hit a WR anymore?! Pryor was a good college player too. I get that Adams is better, but I don't like the pick at #6. I sure as hell hate this draft now with the passing of Cook and drafting ANOTHER safety and being literally unable to trade Richardson or Pryor. It was stupid to do, you don't start two Rookies in a secondary at safety. It's a recipe for disaster. We're gonna get obliterated for some big plays this year.
That said, I'm reacting to the big picture. It's absolutely unequivocally clear to me that Macc is a scout and a terrible GM. This team is terrible. They just drafted BPA in a vacuum with zero context to our current team. That's alarming. Now trading out of picks when there is good offensive talent available and getting shit in return, this wreaks of Idzik's doomed last draft, 12 players, no trades, no players left on the team.
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Post by nyjets1969 on Apr 29, 2017 12:45:34 GMT -5
Actually he did suck and is probably to sole reason Mac took Adams because he is cant miss just like Leonard Williams. Both players are gifts that any of us could have made as picks. once he gets past the top 6 his draft picks are terrible taking Mayes a injured Safety over Cook shows this guy cant think outside the box he will be fired soon. MAc has no clue what he is drafting and this draft is icing on the cake that this draft will finish his career in NY. God you're a fucking moron who should play in traffic. Mayes is more than just an "injured safety". Why don't you actually watch some of his tape rather than insist on being a repetitive twat who says the same stupid shit over and over again. You are NOT a true Jet fan and NEVER WILL BE. your a bigger moron the Jets offense ranked the worse in the NFL averaging 17 pts a game. You the idiot fan who thinks if you draft more defense the offense will get better. You have a game changer on the board like Cook you don't pass on that for a safety when you drafted Pryor 2 years earlier and Jamal Adams. Pryor was a first round pick now you will be lucky too even get a 5th. You will be the moron next year when the Jets pick #1 that will take the best defensive player on the board instead of taking a QB in the best QB class in a decade.
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Post by JStokes on Apr 29, 2017 16:58:54 GMT -5
God you're a fucking moron who should play in traffic. Mayes is more than just an "injured safety". Why don't you actually watch some of his tape rather than insist on being a repetitive twat who says the same stupid shit over and over again. You are NOT a true Jet fan and NEVER WILL BE. your a bigger moron the Jets offense ranked the worse in the NFL averaging 17 pts a game. You the idiot fan who thinks if you draft more defense the offense will get better. You have a game changer on the board like Cook you don't pass on that for a safety when you drafted Pryor 2 years earlier and Jamal Adams. Pryor was a first round pick now you will be lucky too even get a 5th. You will be the moron next year when the Jets pick #1 that will take the best defensive player on the board instead of taking a QB in the best QB class in a decade. What a pathetic repetitive pussy ass cunt you are. Just stop. Repeating yourself. You sound like a bigger douchebag version of Francesca. Why don't you tell us again that we drafted a guy with a healed broken arm instead of a RB with 3 shoulder surgeries. Jerkoff. _
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Post by fullblast on Apr 29, 2017 21:27:54 GMT -5
Thought this was a cool video of Adams on First Take (awful show, i know). Seems to have a great personality.
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