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Post by DDNYjets on Jan 12, 2015 7:38:03 GMT -5
Apparently the US didn't send any high-ranking officials to Paris for the event. What a disgrace. Terrorism isn't fought with marches. I agree with that part of your post. Kind of like what we try doing here with Twatter. But I think this was a necessary outlet for some people to start their healing. Now it is up to whether or not they have the stomach to do what needs to be done and my guess is no. BUt that is a discussion for another thread. But we still should have sent someone. France has been an ally of ours since our infancy as a nation. Considering we sent high-ranking people to the funerals of felons in this country I think it would have been an easy decision for us to make. P.S. That female accomplice has reportedly made it to Syria. I hope she meets a drone soon. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 10:07:04 GMT -5
Terrorism isn't fought with marches. I agree with that part of your post. Kind of like what we try doing here with Twatter. But I think this was a necessary outlet for some people to start their healing. Now it is up to whether or not they have the stomach to do what needs to be done and my guess is no. BUt that is a discussion for another thread. But we still should have sent someone. France has been an ally of ours since our infancy as a nation. Considering we sent high-ranking people to the funerals of felons in this country I think it would have been an easy decision for us to make. P.S. That female accomplice has reportedly made it to Syria. I hope she meets a drone soon. The U.S Ambassador to France was there and the U.S. probably paid for a bunch of other countries to attend. |
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Post by Jetworks on Jan 12, 2015 10:53:06 GMT -5
Apparently the US didn't send any high-ranking officials to Paris for the event. What a disgrace. Apparently the US didn't send any high-ranking officials to Paris for the event. What a disgrace. I don't blame them. Terrorism isn't fought with marches. The march was really really freaking lame. I get what you're saying, but there is something to be said for "keeping up appearances." You don't go through all the trouble of making a PSA broadcast from your jet that you're going to make college free for a bunch of people right before the weekend and then not show up where all your peers are supporting each other on a Sunday for a much more serious cause. At least send the guy you're firing over there as a show of solidarity. Know what other world leader couldn't be bothered to send someone important? Vlad Putin, so there's that to hang your hat on. You would think a former Nobel Peace Prize recipient would have more worldly decorum given the gravitas of the gathering. But as usual, he's given a pass. |
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Post by Jetworks on Jan 12, 2015 10:56:57 GMT -5
I agree with that part of your post. Kind of like what we try doing here with Twatter. But I think this was a necessary outlet for some people to start their healing. Now it is up to whether or not they have the stomach to do what needs to be done and my guess is no. BUt that is a discussion for another thread. But we still should have sent someone. France has been an ally of ours since our infancy as a nation. Considering we sent high-ranking people to the funerals of felons in this country I think it would have been an easy decision for us to make. P.S. That female accomplice has reportedly made it to Syria. I hope she meets a drone soon. The U.S Ambassador to France was there and the U.S. probably paid for a bunch of other countries to attend. Of course he was there, he's already in the frigging country. As for the rest; that comes across as gifting for the excusal of bad parenting. Paying someone's way doesn't excuse our not sending POTUS, veep or the SoS to attend. We're supposed to be a world leader, THE world leader to hear some tell it, yet our leadership felt it was okay to act in a boorish manner and not show up. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 11:36:25 GMT -5
The U.S Ambassador to France was there and the U.S. probably paid for a bunch of other countries to attend. Of course he was there, he's already in the frigging country. As for the rest; that comes across as gifting for the excusal of bad parenting. Paying someone's way doesn't excuse our not sending POTUS, veep or the SoS to attend. We're supposed to be a world leader, THE world leader to hear some tell it, yet our leadership felt it was okay to act in a boorish manner and not show up. This march wasn't about the USA it was about Paris. If the President would have attended everyone would be screaming it's not about him. |
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Post by Raoul Duke on Jan 12, 2015 11:44:45 GMT -5
I have to say I’m a bit surprised at the global response to the attacks. I don’t know if it’s because everyone’s reached a boiling point or just because of the symbol of attacking “free speech”. There have been tons of attacks just as bad, or worse which don’t get the headlines or attention this one did (see the Nigeria attack I posted above).
I found the turnout great for French people, but at the end of the day we still have our problems. Many reports came out from teachers in tough neighborhoods where the minute of silence was impossible to instore. Kids openly siding with the terrorists (French kids of Arab descent, but French nonetheless). How do you deal with that? The first measure I’d like to see is these people going to Yemen or Syria for months to fight shouldn’t be allowed back in. Period.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 12:24:08 GMT -5
I have to say I’m a bit surprised at the global response to the attacks. I don’t know if it’s because everyone’s reached a boiling point or just because of the symbol of attacking “free speech”. There have been tons of attacks just as bad, or worse which don’t get the headlines or attention this one did (see the Nigeria attack I posted above). I found the turnout great for French people, but at the end of the day we still have our problems. Many reports came out from teachers in tough neighborhoods where the minute of silence was impossible to instore. Kids openly siding with the terrorists (French kids of Arab descent, but French nonetheless). How do you deal with that? The first measure I’d like to see is these people going to Yemen or Syria for months to fight shouldn’t be allowed back in. Period. France def has a big problem considering these were homegrown terrorists. But as long as people speak up like the brother of the killed police officer who are Muslim Condeming these acts and reporting how it was a Muslim shop worker who helped to protect the patrons in the corner market people can help. |
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Post by PK on Jan 12, 2015 12:29:33 GMT -5
The U.S Ambassador to France was there and the U.S. probably paid for a bunch of other countries to attend. Of course he was there, he's already in the frigging country. As for the rest; that comes across as gifting for the excusal of bad parenting. Paying someone's way doesn't excuse our not sending POTUS, veep or the SoS to attend. We're supposed to be a world leader, THE world leader to hear some tell it, yet our leadership felt it was okay to act in a boorish manner and not show up. Perhaps. How many Europeans showed up here to march after 9/11 or the Marathon bombings? |
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Post by DDNYjets on Jan 12, 2015 12:30:27 GMT -5
Of course he was there, he's already in the frigging country. As for the rest; that comes across as gifting for the excusal of bad parenting. Paying someone's way doesn't excuse our not sending POTUS, veep or the SoS to attend. We're supposed to be a world leader, THE world leader to hear some tell it, yet our leadership felt it was okay to act in a boorish manner and not show up. This march wasn't about the USA it was about Paris. If the President would have attended everyone would be screaming it's not about him. This a very weak spin attempt at best. I am OK with POTUS not attending b.c of security concerns but Uncle Joe or the kept man should have been there. One of those three should have been there. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Jan 12, 2015 12:39:15 GMT -5
I have to say I’m a bit surprised at the global response to the attacks. I don’t know if it’s because everyone’s reached a boiling point or just because of the symbol of attacking “free speech”. There have been tons of attacks just as bad, or worse which don’t get the headlines or attention this one did (see the Nigeria attack I posted above). I found the turnout great for French people, but at the end of the day we still have our problems. Many reports came out from teachers in tough neighborhoods where the minute of silence was impossible to instore. Kids openly siding with the terrorists (French kids of Arab descent, but French nonetheless). How do you deal with that? The first measure I’d like to see is these people going to Yemen or Syria for months to fight shouldn’t be allowed back in. Period. The main reason is b.c the attacks against freedom of speech directly effect the media and the media has incredible power in shaping the minds of the public. At least in this country. Our media is highly politicized. They really do dictate the national conversation. Although instances like this, the Boston bombing or 9/11 tend to carry their own weight and don't need the media push. But their power and agenda is always their. The only people that can really solve this is the Muslims themselves. They see the people who are becoming radicalized long before our governments catch wind of them. They need to be the first line of defense but they also need to be WILLING to be that first line of defense. Frankly, I don't ever see that happening for many reasons. The problem with the solution you proposed is that all of Europe has such lax borders that they can simply just come to France from another country. But that doesn't mean you guys shouldn't do everything you can to try to prevent these things. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 12:55:47 GMT -5
This march wasn't about the USA it was about Paris. If the President would have attended everyone would be screaming it's not about him. This a very weak spin attempt at best. I am OK with POTUS not attending b.c of security concerns but Uncle Joe or the kept man should have been there. One of those three should have been there. It's a huge outrage. There's no pleasing you guys when it comes to what the President should or shouldn't do. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Jan 12, 2015 13:15:12 GMT -5
This a very weak spin attempt at best. I am OK with POTUS not attending b.c of security concerns but Uncle Joe or the kept man should have been there. One of those three should have been there. It's a huge outrage. There's no pleasing you guys when it comes to what the President should or shouldn't do. I believe you are referencing critiques about who he has handled the police shootings. Its actually quite simple. When you are POTUS, you are POTUS for everyone so don't let your activist nature get the best of you and fan flames. There is a time and place for politics. And when there is an international tragedy it should be met with some sort of courtesy and respect. Not having one of the 3 there is classless IMO. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 13:24:16 GMT -5
It's a huge outrage. There's no pleasing you guys when it comes to what the President should or shouldn't do. I believe you are referencing critiques about who he has handled the police shootings. Its actually quite simple. When you are POTUS, you are POTUS for everyone so don't let your activist nature get the best of you and fan flames. There is a time and place for politics. And when there is an international tragedy it should be met with some sort of courtesy and respect. Not having one of the 3 there is classless IMO. One could argue the majority of leaders showed becuase of politics. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Jan 12, 2015 13:28:38 GMT -5
I believe you are referencing critiques about who he has handled the police shootings. Its actually quite simple. When you are POTUS, you are POTUS for everyone so don't let your activist nature get the best of you and fan flames. There is a time and place for politics. And when there is an international tragedy it should be met with some sort of courtesy and respect. Not having one of the 3 there is classless IMO. One could argue the majority of leaders showed becuase of politics. Yes. And this was the time and place for politics. Show your face or at least send someone important. 90% of politics is appearances. It was important for us to show support. |
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Post by PK on Jan 12, 2015 13:41:57 GMT -5
Let's look at some of the assholes that went:
King Abdullah of Jordan, which last year sentenced a Palestinian journalist to 15 years in prison with hard labour.
Prime Minister of Davutoglu of Turkey, which imprisons more journalists than any other country in the world.
Foreign Minister Shoukry of Egypt, which as well as AJ staff has detained journalist Shawkan for around 500 days.
Foreign Minister Lavrov of Russia, which last year jailed a journalist for "insulting a government servant"
Foreign Minister Lamamra of Algeria, which has detained journalist Abdessami Abdelhai for 15 months without charge.
Prime Minister Jomaa of Tunisia, which recently jailed blogger Yassine Ayan for 3 years for "defaming the army"
The PMs of Georgia and Bulgaria, both of whom have a record of attacking & beating journos.
Prime Minister Samaras of Greece, where riot police beat & injured two journalists at a protest in June last year.
Sec-Gen of NATO, who are yet to be held to account for deliberately bombing and killing 16 Serbian journos in '99.
The Foreign Minister of Bahrain, 2nd biggest jailer of journos in the world per capita (they also torture them).
Sheikh Mohamed Ben Hamad Ben Khalifa Al Thani of Qatar, which jailed a man for 15 ys for writing the Jasmine poem.
Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas, who had several journalists jailed for insulting him in 2013.
Prime Minister Cerar of Slovenia, which sentenced a blogger to six months in prison for "defamation" in 2013.
Prime Minister Kopacz of Poland, which raided a magazine to seize recordings embarrassing for the ruling party.
Saudi ambassador to France. The Saudis publicly flogged a blogger for "insulting Islam" on Friday.
Just the people to stand in "solidarity" with....
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