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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 18:17:31 GMT -5
Alert me the next time a 5 year old kills his baby brother with a fork.  The fork argument is reaching, but how about the dumbass parent who doesnt use child locks and leaves toxic chemicals where toddlers can get to them? yes, guns are shiny and attractive to kids, so is the blue cleaning fluid under the sink. How do you legislate to prevent stupidity without completely removing the offending item? And we can all agree, I think, that guns are here to stay. To me, all you can do is impose harsher penalties on parents who leave guns laying around that then lead to kids getting shot. Make gun owners have continual training, make them understand what a powerful weapon can do in the wrong hands. Every two years you need 16-24 hours of training. Just an idea. |
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Post by red75bronco on Jan 21, 2015 22:00:26 GMT -5
The fork argument is reaching, but how about the dumbass parent who doesnt use child locks and leaves toxic chemicals where toddlers can get to them? yes, guns are shiny and attractive to kids, so is the blue cleaning fluid under the sink. How do you legislate to prevent stupidity without completely removing the offending item? And we can all agree, I think, that guns are here to stay. To me, all you can do is impose harsher penalties on parents who leave guns laying around that then lead to kids getting shot. Make gun owners have continual training, make them understand what a powerful weapon can do in the wrong hands. Every two years you need 16-24 hours of training. Just an idea. Gun ownership is a right under the bill of rights. At what point do you feel the burden infringes on that right? Background checks have to happen to purchase a firearm. The records are not supposed to be used in a data base, now mandatory training and a data base to record it. What happens if someone's training lapses, confiscate the guns? I think gun owners should be responsible and knowledgeable/trained in firearms, but what you are wanting is unconstitutional. it would also discriminate against the poor. Those that can't afford training. Training is not free. 16-24 hours of training could be we'll very a thousand dollars. Real question, you can answer if you want. Have you ever fired a gun? own a gun, done any fire arm training? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 22:13:30 GMT -5
Make gun owners have continual training, make them understand what a powerful weapon can do in the wrong hands. Every two years you need 16-24 hours of training. Just an idea. Gun ownership is a right under the bill of rights. At what point do you feel the burden infringes on that right? Background checks have to happen to purchase a firearm. The records are not supposed to be used in a data base, now mandatory training and a data base to record it. What happens if someone's training lapses, confiscate the guns? I think gun owners should be responsible and knowledgeable/trained in firearms, but what you are wanting is unconstitutional. it would also discriminate against the poor. Those that can't afford training. Training is not free. 16-24 hours of training could be we'll very a thousand dollars. Real question, you can answer if you want. Have you ever fired a gun? own a gun, done any fire arm training? The 2nd amendment also states a "well regulated militia" but I guess you like to ignore that huh? I was trained by the Marine Corps and completed 1 police academy and 1 federal law enforcement academy. I've been in LE since 1996. As as for you horrific argument concerning the poor and guns, really? |
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Post by Bonhomme Richard on Jan 22, 2015 0:39:53 GMT -5
The bigges threat to the 2nd Amendment is irresponsible gun owners giving liberal politicians an excuse to get up in arms (no pun intended) every time a accidental tragedy occurs.
I would support a mandated training and licensure program, similar to getting a drivers license, to all prospective gun owners.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 8:28:26 GMT -5
The bigges threat to the 2nd Amendment is irresponsible gun owners giving liberal politicians an excuse to get up in arms (no pun intended) every time a accidental tragedy occurs. I would support a mandated training and licensure program, similar to getting a drivers license, to all prospective gun owners. The biggest problem with Evan having just a conversation is the NRA, they are more worried about the gun manufacturers. |
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Post by red75bronco on Jan 22, 2015 8:50:30 GMT -5
The bigges threat to the 2nd Amendment is irresponsible gun owners giving liberal politicians an excuse to get up in arms (no pun intended) every time a accidental tragedy occurs. I would support a mandated training and licensure program, similar to getting a drivers license, to all prospective gun owners. I agree with this, but a drivers license is a privilege, not a right. |
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Post by red75bronco on Jan 22, 2015 8:53:19 GMT -5
Gun ownership is a right under the bill of rights. At what point do you feel the burden infringes on that right? Background checks have to happen to purchase a firearm. The records are not supposed to be used in a data base, now mandatory training and a data base to record it. What happens if someone's training lapses, confiscate the guns? I think gun owners should be responsible and knowledgeable/trained in firearms, but what you are wanting is unconstitutional. it would also discriminate against the poor. Those that can't afford training. Training is not free. 16-24 hours of training could be we'll very a thousand dollars. Real question, you can answer if you want. Have you ever fired a gun? own a gun, done any fire arm training? The 2nd amendment also states a "well regulated militia" but I guess you like to ignore that huh? I was trained by the Marine Corps and completed 1 police academy and 1 federal law enforcement academy. I've been in LE since 1996. As as for you horrific argument concerning the poor and guns, really? Trying to tug at your liberal heart strings. I thought you would be sympathetic since it is discrimination to expect people to show ID to vote because the poor cannot afford IDs. That is the reason libs always bring up on voting. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 8:55:22 GMT -5
The bigges threat to the 2nd Amendment is irresponsible gun owners giving liberal politicians an excuse to get up in arms (no pun intended) every time a accidental tragedy occurs. I would support a mandated training and licensure program, similar to getting a drivers license, to all prospective gun owners. I agree with this, but a drivers license is a privilege, not a right. Just like free speech right? Go yell "fire" in a crowded movie theatre and see what happens. |
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Post by red75bronco on Jan 22, 2015 9:02:18 GMT -5
I agree with this, but a drivers license is a privilege, not a right. Just like free speech right? Go yell "fire" in a crowded movie theatre and see what happens. Where did I say that all gun owners have complete immunity from their actions because of the second amendment? You have a right to own a gun, that does not excuse you from illegal or irresponsible action. Same with free speech. You can say whatever you want, as it should be. You have to face the consequences of your actions. It is funny though, michael Browns step dad never got prosecuted for inciting riots after he urged the crowd to "burn the bitch down" causing major loss of property to shop owners in Ferguson. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 9:52:30 GMT -5
Just like free speech right? Go yell "fire" in a crowded movie theatre and see what happens. Where did I say that all gun owners have complete immunity from their actions because of the second amendment? You have a right to own a gun, that does not excuse you from illegal or irresponsible action. Same with free speech. You can say whatever you want, as it should be. You have to face the consequences of your actions. It is funny though, michael Browns step dad never got prosecuted for inciting riots after he urged the crowd to "burn the bitch down" causing major loss of property to shop owners in Ferguson. He should of been charged IMO. Technology has changed guns since the Constitution was written and it should be addressed properly by Congress, but the NRA will not allow it because the gun manufacturers don't want it. It's about the money not humanity or lack thereof. |
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Post by Gunnails on Mar 27, 2016 19:59:08 GMT -5
As Americans come to realize that in our modern world of today that protecting ones self and those that they may care for lies wholly upon there ability to defend themselves. Thus the explosion in gun sales and a expansion of gun laws designed to help the individual legally posses and carry their guns as the lawful citizen seems fit to do. Even the SCOTUS has stepped up with the landmark "DC Vs Heller" case and even more recently with "CAETANO vs MASSACHUSETTS" that affirms a lawful citizens right to use stung guns, tasers, knifes, etc. to defend themselves and others in a unamimous decison and bitch slap of a writ of certiorari to Massachusetts highest court. There are now 9 states that recognize constitutional carry. 27 states now allow open carry with out a license. Forty five states' constitutions recognize and secure the right to keep and bear arms in some form, and none of those prohibit the open carrying of firearms. Retired LEO of state, federal or local police, Correctional officers, Military police in good standing and who qualify under there individual departments standards are now allowed to carry concealed or open in all 50 states and US territories with out need of a license. I suggest all of you get on the bus and work with your local and federal Reps and help to continue this trend.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2016 6:29:27 GMT -5
Peace is on it's way!!!! Guns, Guns and more guns!!! As Americans come to realize that in our modern world of today that protecting ones self and those that they may care for lies wholly upon there ability to defend themselves. Thus the explosion in gun sales and a expansion of gun laws designed to help the individual legally posses and carry their guns as the lawful citizen seems fit to do. Even the SCOTUS has stepped up with the landmark "DC Vs Heller" case and even more recently with "CAETANO vs MASSACHUSETTS" that affirms a lawful citizens right to use stung guns, tasers, knifes, etc. to defend themselves and others in a unamimous decison and bitch slap of a writ of certiorari to Massachusetts highest court. There are now 9 states that recognize constitutional carry. 27 states now allow open carry with out a license. Forty five states' constitutions recognize and secure the right to keep and bear arms in some form, and none of those prohibit the open carrying of firearms. Retired LEO of state, federal or local police, Correctional officers, Military police in good standing and who qualify under there individual departments standards are now allowed to carry concealed or open in all 50 states and US territories with out need of a license. I suggest all of you get on the bus and work with your local and federal Reps and help to continue this trend. |
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Post by Ff2 on Mar 28, 2016 8:22:19 GMT -5
Peace is on it's way!!!! Guns, Guns and more guns!!! As Americans come to realize that in our modern world of today that protecting ones self and those that they may care for lies wholly upon there ability to defend themselves. Thus the explosion in gun sales and a expansion of gun laws designed to help the individual legally posses and carry their guns as the lawful citizen seems fit to do. Even the SCOTUS has stepped up with the landmark "DC Vs Heller" case and even more recently with "CAETANO vs MASSACHUSETTS" that affirms a lawful citizens right to use stung guns, tasers, knifes, etc. to defend themselves and others in a unamimous decison and bitch slap of a writ of certiorari to Massachusetts highest court. There are now 9 states that recognize constitutional carry. 27 states now allow open carry with out a license. Forty five states' constitutions recognize and secure the right to keep and bear arms in some form, and none of those prohibit the open carrying of firearms. Retired LEO of state, federal or local police, Correctional officers, Military police in good standing and who qualify under there individual departments standards are now allowed to carry concealed or open in all 50 states and US territories with out need of a license. I suggest all of you get on the bus and work with your local and federal Reps and help to continue this trend. I for one can't wait for the huge drop in crimes that will obviously follow. |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Mar 28, 2016 8:38:26 GMT -5
Don't own a gun, but just about everyone I know does. And the one thing they all have in common is a great deal of respect for the dangers presented by guns. I really do believe there is a failure of the anti-gun types to understand that 99.9% of all lawful gun owners are very good people who understand the responsibility associated with gun ownership. I often wonder if the anti-gun people understand anything about gun ownership; such as, the work and knowledge involved in properly cleaning and maintaining a gun, how much a gun costs; how much ammunition costs?
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Mar 28, 2016 8:43:19 GMT -5
The bigges threat to the 2nd Amendment is irresponsible gun owners giving liberal politicians an excuse to get up in arms (no pun intended) every time a accidental tragedy occurs. I would support a mandated training and licensure program, similar to getting a drivers license, to all prospective gun owners. Need a license to drive, get married, own a gun, etc.... But they let just any dumbass vote and have kids. |
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