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Post by Sonny Werblin on Jan 15, 2015 8:10:07 GMT -5
I really, really like the Chan Gailey firing, but I am totally puzzled by the continual reports that Bowles intended to hire Gailey as OC before he was ever hired as a HC himself. I've looked at their histories and while they have coached for some of the same teams (Fins and Cowboys) it was years apart, so that is not how they know each other. Plus, I can not identify any one step removed connections. For example, Arains and Parcells are connected to Bowles but not Gailey, and Cohwer and Wanndestadt are connected to Gailey but not Bowles.
The only thing I can think of is that Gailey was "retired" in Arizona and has spent some time visiting the Cardinals? Or, maybe, Arians and Gailey do have a connection because possibly OC's are like O-line coaches and they meet annually (the mushroom society) to discuss coaching, systems and innovations. This is all speculation. If anyone has figured out the connection, please let me know.
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Post by leftturn3 on Jan 15, 2015 8:17:21 GMT -5
Not a big fan of this move. I will leave it at that.
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Post by choon328 on Jan 15, 2015 8:23:35 GMT -5
Knowing Woody and the amount of cap space we have I wouldn't be shocked if we trade for Cutler. It'll probably only cost a mid to late round pick.
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Post by mrcoops on Jan 15, 2015 8:30:12 GMT -5
I really, really like the Chan Gailey firing, but I am totally puzzled by the continual reports that Bowles intended to hire Gailey as OC before he was ever hired as a HC himself. I've looked at their histories and while they have coached for some of the same teams (Fins and Cowboys) it was years apart, so that is not how they know each other. Plus, I can not identify any one step removed connections. For example, Arains and Parcells are connected to Bowles but not Gailey, and Cohwer and Wanndestadt are connected to Gailey but not Bowles. The only thing I can think of is that Gailey was "retired" in Arizona and has spent some time visiting the Cardinals? Or, maybe, Arians and Gailey do have a connection because possibly OC's are like O-line coaches and they meet annually (the mushroom society) to discuss coaching, systems and innovations. This is all speculation. If anyone has figured out the connection, please let me know. As far as I know, there is no connection. It seems that, in planning ahead for HC openings, Bowles looked around for possible OC options who might be a good fit. Looks like he decided Gailey, who was both available and highly experienced, was the best option. I am encouraged that he is taking such an analytical approach rather than just hiring guys he knows well or has worked with. He's going to look around and add the guys he thinks are the best fit.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Jan 15, 2015 8:42:24 GMT -5
I really, really like the Chan Gailey firing, but I am totally puzzled by the continual reports that Bowles intended to hire Gailey as OC before he was ever hired as a HC himself. I've looked at their histories and while they have coached for some of the same teams (Fins and Cowboys) it was years apart, so that is not how they know each other. Plus, I can not identify any one step removed connections. For example, Arains and Parcells are connected to Bowles but not Gailey, and Cohwer and Wanndestadt are connected to Gailey but not Bowles. The only thing I can think of is that Gailey was "retired" in Arizona and has spent some time visiting the Cardinals? Or, maybe, Arians and Gailey do have a connection because possibly OC's are like O-line coaches and they meet annually (the mushroom society) to discuss coaching, systems and innovations. This is all speculation. If anyone has figured out the connection, please let me know. IMO Bowles landed on Gailey based on conversations he had with Tom Moore, who is currently on staff with the Cardinals.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Jan 15, 2015 9:02:41 GMT -5
I really, really like the Chan Gailey firing, but I am totally puzzled by the continual reports that Bowles intended to hire Gailey as OC before he was ever hired as a HC himself. I've looked at their histories and while they have coached for some of the same teams (Fins and Cowboys) it was years apart, so that is not how they know each other. Plus, I can not identify any one step removed connections. For example, Arains and Parcells are connected to Bowles but not Gailey, and Cohwer and Wanndestadt are connected to Gailey but not Bowles. The only thing I can think of is that Gailey was "retired" in Arizona and has spent some time visiting the Cardinals? Or, maybe, Arians and Gailey do have a connection because possibly OC's are like O-line coaches and they meet annually (the mushroom society) to discuss coaching, systems and innovations. This is all speculation. If anyone has figured out the connection, please let me know. IMO Bowles landed on Gailey based on conversations he had with Tom Moore, who is currently on staff with the Cardinals. I considered that but can find no connection between Moore and Gailey. Unless, as I speculated there is some sort of informal organization of OC's similar to the O linemen coaches mushroom society.
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Post by vin on Jan 15, 2015 11:17:36 GMT -5
I really, really like the Chan Gailey firing, but I am totally puzzled by the continual reports that Bowles intended to hire Gailey as OC before he was ever hired as a HC himself. I've looked at their histories and while they have coached for some of the same teams (Fins and Cowboys) it was years apart, so that is not how they know each other. Plus, I can not identify any one step removed connections. For example, Arains and Parcells are connected to Bowles but not Gailey, and Cohwer and Wanndestadt are connected to Gailey but not Bowles. The only thing I can think of is that Gailey was "retired" in Arizona and has spent some time visiting the Cardinals? Or, maybe, Arians and Gailey do have a connection because possibly OC's are like O-line coaches and they meet annually (the mushroom society) to discuss coaching, systems and innovations. This is all speculation. If anyone has figured out the connection, please let me know. Freudian slip?
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Post by TheMo on Jan 15, 2015 12:58:58 GMT -5
Oh, well fuck me, why even bother having a site dedicated to discussing the team in the first place? LOL so who the hell do you want at QB next year if Mariota/Winston are off the table? C'mon...let's have a discussion about it. I like Brett Hundley in the second. Has run a pro-style, but still needs development. I know I'll catch flack cause people will be reminded of Geno, but I think this guy has a better foundation. And hopefully we wouldn't throw him in the fire right away if we drafted him.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Jan 15, 2015 17:23:25 GMT -5
Good offensive mind with a classic, west coast background who was simply overmatched as a HC. Basically, he has the Norv Turner syndrome. A guy who is a damn good OC but a mediocre at best HC. I like the hire. If you seen his offense in action with the Bills, which I saw a lot of, you would see that he runs a spread offense similar to the Fucking Cocksuckers. A lot of quick throws getting guys the ball in space. 90% in Shotgun with 1 RB and 4 Wr's or 3 WR's and 1 TE split out. Not really a classic west coast guy besides the short passing. Personnel wise he's much different in my opinion. Agree. The same offense we ran here under Parcells. Don't see it as a WCO, pure spread offense
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Post by Touchable on Jan 17, 2015 14:00:01 GMT -5
nypost.com/2015/01/14/gaileys-gift-getting-most-out-of-offensive-talent/Chan Gailey has no set offense and that’s a good thing
By Bart Hubbuch January 14, 2015 | 8:45pm Chan Gailey won’t be bringing his own system to the Jets if, as expected, Todd Bowles picks him to be their next offensive coordinator. Gailey doesn’t have a system. He was a washout as a head coach with the Cowboys, Georgia Tech and the Bills, but Gailey’s creativity and chameleon-like adaptability as a play-caller have earned him plenty of admirers around the NFL. Look no further than Bowles himself — the Jets’ new head coach reportedly insisted on Gailey despite no previous coaching connection and even though Gailey had been out of football since Buffalo fired him following the 2012 season. “The one thing about Chan is that you can’t peg him,” former Giants coach Dan Reeves told The Post on Wednesday. “He’s been in a lot of different systems with a lot of different schemes, and he’s been successful in all of them.” Reeves should know, considering he and Gailey are from the same town — Americus, Ga. — and Reeves even coached Gailey in Little League baseball before Gailey spent six seasons on Reeves’ staff in Denver in the 1980s. Gailey liked to spread the field and throw the ball for most of his three seasons with the Bills (particularly in 2011, when Buffalo threw the ball almost 60 percent of the time), but that doesn’t guarantee he would use the same approach with Gang Green. After all, Gailey was the offensive coordinator with the Steelers in 1997 when Pittsburgh reached the AFC Championship Game running the ball 56 percent of the time. And even as recently as Gailey’s final year in Buffalo, the Bills’ pass-run ratio was nearly 50-50. While Gailey emphasized giving speedy players space and was fond of running out of the shotgun, with screen passes and short throws to receivers in Buffalo, don’t count on the Jets being a replica. “Good luck predicting what he’s going to do with the Jets,” said NFL Network analyst Gil Brandt, the former Cowboys personnel executive. “You might think he’s going to be run-first because of the Steelers or pass-happy because of the Bills, but I bet you he’s looked at a hundred tapes while he’s been out these past two years, knows the trends and will put his own spin on them.” Whatever style the 63-year-old Gailey decides is right for the offense-challenged Jets, his track record as strictly a play-caller says it is likely to be successful — even with Geno Smith as Gang Green’s incumbent starting quarterback. Not only did four of Gailey’s offenses finish in the NFL’s top 10 in scoring, but he also got journeyman quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick a $60 million contract in Buffalo and — in his most amazing feat — managed to squeeze more than 3,000 all-purpose yards and 22 touchdowns out of Tyler Thigpen as the Chiefs’ play-caller in 2008. “Chan has always done a great job of coaching the personnel that he’s got instead of forcing a system on his personnel,” Reeves said. “That’s why you can’t peg him. He’s so versatile and very adaptable.” Gailey’s creativity as a play-caller also is proven. As Pittsburgh’s wide receivers coach in 1995, he came up with the “Slash” package for Kordell Stewart — part-time quarterback, part-time running back, part-time wide receiver — and then got within four points of the Super Bowl two years later with Stewart as his starter. Gailey’s track record isn’t impeccable, though. The fact his teams finished 15th or worse in total offense (including 24th and 26th) in five of the seven seasons he has been an NFL offensive coordinator has to be considered a red flag. Gailey’s biggest task with the Jets will be trying to develop Smith, which is the one thing Brandt is comfortable predicting about Gailey. “Chan has great patience and his work ethic is immense, and that’s going to make Geno work harder,” Brandt said. “If Geno lets Chan do what he does best, the Jets’ quarterback is going to be a lot better than he was last year and their offense is, too.”
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Post by Bavarian on Jan 17, 2015 15:07:36 GMT -5
I would not be surprised if it plays out this way It's the way that it's bound to play out if we don't walk away with one of the Top 2 QB's in the draft. The best of the FA crop at QB are guys like Matt Moore, Jake Locker, Christian Ponder, Ryan Mallett, Jason Campbell, etc. None of those guys deserve to come in and be named the undisputed starter over Geno. I think ultimately the Jets will draft a WR like Cooper or Parker at the top of the draft and have Geno and a vet fight it out for the starting job. Agreed. No one else is out there as this QB draft class is nearly as bad as 2 years ago. And if they waste a high 2nd on Hundley, I'm going to be sick as it would smack of desperation on a guy that's no better than Geno. Our next franchise QB is not out there this season. Might as well bolster the rest of the team behind Geno and the best veteran available and coach them up for 2016. Establish an identity and become a better overall team. I agree with drafting the best WR or pass rusher available with the first pick.
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Post by fullblast on Jan 17, 2015 15:09:49 GMT -5
So this guy signing or what? Don't think it's official yet.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Jan 17, 2015 16:03:17 GMT -5
I think the Bowles connection to Gailey is as simple as other coaches in the NFL telling him that the OC that is most philosophically similar to Bruce Arians is Chan Gailey. You don't work in football as long as Gailey and Arians without players and coaches who have worked with both noticing similarities. Heck, bill Cowher may have told Arians that he does things like Gailey. And then Arians told Bowles to seek out Gailey when he becomes a HC.
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Post by jetstream23 on Jan 17, 2015 16:15:33 GMT -5
My only real concern is that he's been out of football for a couple of years. That's a lifetime in the NFL, a league that's constantly changing, evolving and innovating. I will reserve judgement until we see how this goes but I really don't know what we're going to get out of Gailey that we couldn't get from another reasonably experienced OC. I guess if his best qualification is that he's gotten production out of below average or mediocre quarterbacks then that IS a positive. But we're in a division with some good/excellent defenses. Buffalo with Rex, the Pats with Belidick/Revis/etc, and even a good Miami D will be a challenge if we can't be creative and innovative.
Like most people, I think I'm cautious on this hire right now. I think the telling sign for the offense will be what Maccagnan does with the roster as we head into the new League year in February. Does he keep Harvin? Who does he pursue in FA? Are we going to build towards a running game? Are we going to pursue a one of the bigtime #1 WR in FA? Time will tell.
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Post by Bavarian on Jan 17, 2015 17:02:24 GMT -5
Would we be saying the same of Cowher, Gruden or Holmgren if they returned? I don't think he suddenly forgot how to coach.
I'm curious as to when offensive coaches are named.
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