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Post by CTJetsFanII on Jan 22, 2015 8:26:51 GMT -5
As classless as I think these comments by Lee are and while his lack of coaching ability might be contributing to Geno's lack of development, to be fair, there comes a point when there's nothing more a coach can do once a player walks on the field. A coach can do all they can in practice and in the film room to prepare the player, but if the player still doesn't have the ability to execute consistently (both mentally and physically) on the field, I'm not sure it's the coach's fault. The fact that Geno has had some stellar games shows he has some ability, but it's consistency that makes a NFL QB successful. To this point, he hasn't shown the ability to be consistent. I still hope a new coaching staff can turn that around, but that remains to be seen. At some point, Geno needs to clean up his mistakes on the field or his career will be short.
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Post by morite on Jan 22, 2015 8:33:12 GMT -5
We don't know if Lee was confiding to Rex that it was impossible to make chicken soup out of chicken shit. The coach can only coach, he can't do the job for the player.
That being said, Lee should have kept his big mouth shut.
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Post by jets.penguin on Jan 22, 2015 8:36:10 GMT -5
its a shame that Geno the "superstar" only shows up at the end of the season......smh but to call him out once you get to a new team to give yourself some credibility is low.
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Post by greenwave on Jan 22, 2015 8:37:24 GMT -5
Listen whether or not Geno was the biggest problem (most already think he was) what an absolutely classless cover your ass thing for Lee to say. Pretty much. I'll be honest, what I'm choosing to take from this is the "over the last 5 games being the 7th-ranked passer in the league" statement. I knew he was playing better, but didn't know he was playing that much better. And even though I'm sure I'm in an extreme minority here, I'm still holding out hope for Geno. Stats like that help my (weak) cause.
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Post by The Turk on Jan 22, 2015 8:54:40 GMT -5
Funniest quote is "Rex and I talked about it." And after five minutes of Lee talking, Rex finally stopped him and said, "oh, the offense? Is that what we're discussing?" I still love Rex he brought Jets some brass balls that we were prevously lacking but I can totally see him going into the offensive meeting room and going "Hey dickwads you gonna fix this crapshow of an offense or what? Geno sucks, your playcalling sucks and my defense is going to bury you alive again this afternoon" and just storm out. Geno sucks but this just shows Lee is a lowlife that just plays cover your ass.
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Post by kennyo7 on Jan 22, 2015 8:55:44 GMT -5
Lee is a very good QB Coach. Helped develop Tony Romo and has a ton of experience. Problem is, no matter how good of a coach you are, if you are coaching crap, its always going to be crap. Geno is not a very good QB no matter who coaches him
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Post by kuntysoze on Jan 22, 2015 9:01:14 GMT -5
What did Lee say that is inaccurate? Geno is a horrible QB. Bottom five in the league ,for sure. But you can argue that he has potential if you look solely at a slim sample of games toward the end of last season. It's a pretty even-handed assessment. Maybe shit like this will motivate Geno to be a better player.
The biggest problem with the Jets organization over the years is blowing smoke up the ass of young players - in particular QBs. Sanchez and Geno were given passes by Rex and the staff all the time. This over-inflated expectations and made them feel they could do no wrong, despite evidence to the contrary. Now that Lee is on another team, he has no obligation to hide his true feelings about Geno's horrible play. I'd be curious to pick his brain on Sanchez, as well.
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Post by vicmill on Jan 22, 2015 9:13:31 GMT -5
I'm sure Lee will do much better with whatever QB the Bills wind up with. It's always hard to know where the responsibility lies, but I think Lee is probably at least partly to blame for Geno's stinkiness. Link: leemaybe so but geno showed very little. he was very inconsistent and continued to make really bad mistakes. imo he personally cost the jets 3 games. his lack of development maybe points to a lack of maturity. it seems that the maturity of the qb coming out college just isn't there and it takes time to finally understand the game and what's expected. and maybe lee was a bit resentful of having to prepare a qb who was chosen to start by idzik. there's a whole lot of ways this can be looked at. Or maybe he was a QB with the physical skills to play the position, but had no business being on the field as a starting QB during his first two years, just like a lot of other great QBs - Brees, Rodgers, Young, etc. - because he needs to learn the mental side of playing the position.
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Post by CTJetsFanII on Jan 22, 2015 9:14:27 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken, Geno was a top rated QB for the last month of the 2013 season as well. If that's the case, he's shown ability but has done it when the pressure was off in meaningless December games when the Jets were out of it (although they may have still been alive early Dec 2013).
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Post by Augustiniak on Jan 22, 2015 9:23:34 GMT -5
lots of sour grapes with rex and his remaining minions going to buffalo. it's like they were downgraded.
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Post by kuntysoze on Jan 22, 2015 9:26:49 GMT -5
lots of sour grapes with rex and his remaining minions going to buffalo. it's like they were downgraded. The Jets staff, at this point in time, is so much better than Buffalo's it's not even funny.
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Post by rexneffect on Jan 22, 2015 9:59:54 GMT -5
Lee is a very good QB Coach. Helped develop Tony Romo and has a ton of experience. Problem is, no matter how good of a coach you are, if you are coaching crap, its always going to be crap. Geno is not a very good QB no matter who coaches him Romo is also very uneven. He either sucks for three quarters and then stages a comeback or he plays well for three quarters and then melts down in the fourth. His whole time in Dallas has delivered the team mediocrity. Any time they have made it to the playoffs it is because somebody else put the team on their back and carried them through enough shitty division rival games. Maybe Lee only knows how to coach a QB into inconsistent play.
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Post by kennyo7 on Jan 22, 2015 10:25:40 GMT -5
Lee is a very good QB Coach. Helped develop Tony Romo and has a ton of experience. Problem is, no matter how good of a coach you are, if you are coaching crap, its always going to be crap. Geno is not a very good QB no matter who coaches him Romo is also very uneven. He either sucks for three quarters and then stages a comeback or he plays well for three quarters and then melts down in the fourth. His whole time in Dallas has delivered the team mediocrity. Any time they have made it to the playoffs it is because somebody else put the team on their back and carried them through enough shitty division rival games. Maybe Lee only knows how to coach a QB into inconsistent play. Romo is a top 10 QB in this league. You can argue he is top 5. He is usually great the whole game and then makes a bonehead play in a critical situation. Still, his stats are awesome and I would love to have him as our QB. Lee is a good QB coach. Geno is a crappy QB. Plain and simple. Folks need to stop blaming the coaches. Its the players who suck
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Post by joepnyj1 on Jan 22, 2015 10:35:10 GMT -5
Romo is also very uneven. He either sucks for three quarters and then stages a comeback or he plays well for three quarters and then melts down in the fourth. His whole time in Dallas has delivered the team mediocrity. Any time they have made it to the playoffs it is because somebody else put the team on their back and carried them through enough shitty division rival games. Maybe Lee only knows how to coach a QB into inconsistent play. Romo is a top 10 QB in this league. You can argue he is top 5. He is usually great the whole game and then makes a bonehead play in a critical situation. Still, his stats are awesome and I would love to have him as our QB. Lee is a good QB coach. Geno is a crappy QB. Plain and simple. Folks need to stop blaming the coaches. Its the players who suck It was Parcells who found Romo and made him the QB he is today not Lee. Also this thread is about Lee being unprofessional in dressing down a QB who should of sat out as a rookie to learn the mental part of the game. Geno was doomed to fail to begin with because of shitty coaching.
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Post by greenwave on Jan 22, 2015 10:57:41 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken, Geno was a top rated QB for the last month of the 2013 season as well. If that's the case, he's shown ability but has done it when the pressure was off in meaningless December games when the Jets were out of it (although they may have still been alive early Dec 2013). Maybe some truth here. But aren't you at least a little curious to see if someone can work with him and make those late-season performances the norm instead of the exception?
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