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Post by morite on Jan 22, 2015 15:50:34 GMT -5
But 23 year old Bob Vila wasn't being paid on a multimillion dollar contract in a highly competitive field for doing something he's been doing day in and day out since he was a kid. Plus, I feel pretty confident that 23 year old Bob Vila could use a watch effectively. How long do we wait to see if he develops into a serviceable QB? Sure he played well the last few games of this season when the games had no effect on us or our opponents and we were rushing far more than passing. He did the same thing the first year and got considerably worse. You want to sit him for a couple years as a back up, fine. I can't see a good argument for letting him drag us down another couple years to see if he maybe develops. I don't think Geno can even be an average QB in this league. Forget above average. If the Head Coach is going to cultivate an environment where being late is tolerated, than 23 year old kids on going to take advantage of it. You either tolerate that behavior or you don't and that's what sets the culture for the organization. You might be right and he will never be average. You may have seen enough, but good thing you weren't the calling the shots when Elway and Forehead were setting records for interceptions during their rookie years or Steve Young was stinking up the joint in TB (maybe you were calling the shots?) when he was older than Geno. I'm just not ready to draw any conclusions yet. But aren't those guys the exceptions? For every one Elway or Manning or Aikman you have countless guys that just can't make it happen. This guys you mentioned, and a few others, had that special something that was worth the team's time and money to invest in them and the teams around them. Geno didn't come into this league with the expectations that Elway or Manning did. Neither did Sanchez. or several other Jets quarterbacks we drafted. Geno has had two years to give a glimpse of what he is. I'm not saying he shouldn't get a third if he earns the spot depending on his competition. But I don't think anyone is sitting on the edge of their seats waiting for Geno to show us he is the championship-caliber quarterback we all that he was...do you?
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Post by vicmill on Jan 22, 2015 16:02:58 GMT -5
If the Head Coach is going to cultivate an environment where being late is tolerated, than 23 year old kids on going to take advantage of it. You either tolerate that behavior or you don't and that's what sets the culture for the organization. You might be right and he will never be average. You may have seen enough, but good thing you weren't the calling the shots when Elway and Forehead were setting records for interceptions during their rookie years or Steve Young was stinking up the joint in TB (maybe you were calling the shots?) when he was older than Geno. I'm just not ready to draw any conclusions yet. But aren't those guys the exceptions? For every one Elway or Forehead or Aikman you have countless guys that just can't make it happen. This guys you mentioned, and a few others, had that special something that was worth the team's time and money to invest in them and the teams around them. Geno didn't come into this league with the expectations that Elway or Forehead did. Neither did Sanchez. or several other Jets quarterbacks we drafted. Geno has had two years to give a glimpse of what he is. I'm not saying he shouldn't get a third if he earns the spot depending on his competition. But I don't think anyone is sitting on the edge of their seats waiting for Geno to show us he is the championship-caliber quarterback we all that he was...do you? I would say that most QBs are not very good in their first two years. A handful develop into HOF QBs, but the hit rate is very low. My point is that if you go back in history and look at HOF QBs and others that weren't HOF but ended up being good quality QBs and observed their first two years, I think you'd see alot of them looked very similar to Geno. Do I think he's a championship caliber QB? I have no idea, but the odds are certainly against him, as they are for just about every QB that comes into the league. Can he be an above average QB capable of leading a good team far into the playoffs? Maybe. After all, Sanchez did it. I'm just not ready to close the book on him after only two years with lousy coaching. He's was dealt a bad hand his first two years and didn't do much to overcome it except show that he has the physical skills. Fortunately, they switched decks and he's going to get dealt a new hand this year. I'm sure they'll bring other competition into camp, but at this point, if I'm a betting man, my money is on Geno being the starter on opening day and I'll be looking forward to seeing what he can do.
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Post by morite on Jan 22, 2015 18:01:08 GMT -5
But aren't those guys the exceptions? For every one Elway or Forehead or Aikman you have countless guys that just can't make it happen. This guys you mentioned, and a few others, had that special something that was worth the team's time and money to invest in them and the teams around them. Geno didn't come into this league with the expectations that Elway or Forehead did. Neither did Sanchez. or several other Jets quarterbacks we drafted. Geno has had two years to give a glimpse of what he is. I'm not saying he shouldn't get a third if he earns the spot depending on his competition. But I don't think anyone is sitting on the edge of their seats waiting for Geno to show us he is the championship-caliber quarterback we all that he was...do you? I would say that most QBs are not very good in their first two years. A handful develop into HOF QBs, but the hit rate is very low. My point is that if you go back in history and look at HOF QBs and others that weren't HOF but ended up being good quality QBs and observed their first two years, I think you'd see alot of them looked very similar to Geno. Do I think he's a championship caliber QB? I have no idea, but the odds are certainly against him, as they are for just about every QB that comes into the league. Can he be an above average QB capable of leading a good team far into the playoffs? Maybe. After all, Sanchez did it. I'm just not ready to close the book on him after only two years with lousy coaching. He's was dealt a bad hand his first two years and didn't do much to overcome it except show that he has the physical skills. Fortunately, they switched decks and he's going to get dealt a new hand this year. I'm sure they'll bring other competition into camp, but at this point, if I'm a betting man, my money is on Geno being the starter on opening day and I'll be looking forward to seeing what he can do. I hear you, vic...I know what you are saying. Not to beat a dead horse (but you know I am about to), but Mark was never an above average quarterback he was average or below with a cast of characters (oline, running game, WRs, defense, special teams) that allowed him to survive. The HoF guys that struggled earlier in their careers were young and inexperienced, but they played on teams that had no supporting cast. You knew if you surrounded them with the right personnel, they'd be great. Geno might...who knows.
None of it is an exact science. The good news is, time will reveal all!
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Post by rexneffect on Jan 22, 2015 18:11:35 GMT -5
But aren't those guys the exceptions? For every one Elway or Forehead or Aikman you have countless guys that just can't make it happen. This guys you mentioned, and a few others, had that special something that was worth the team's time and money to invest in them and the teams around them. Geno didn't come into this league with the expectations that Elway or Forehead did. Neither did Sanchez. or several other Jets quarterbacks we drafted. Geno has had two years to give a glimpse of what he is. I'm not saying he shouldn't get a third if he earns the spot depending on his competition. But I don't think anyone is sitting on the edge of their seats waiting for Geno to show us he is the championship-caliber quarterback we all that he was...do you? I would say that most QBs are not very good in their first two years. A handful develop into HOF QBs, but the hit rate is very low. My point is that if you go back in history and look at HOF QBs and others that weren't HOF but ended up being good quality QBs and observed their first two years, I think you'd see alot of them looked very similar to Geno. Do I think he's a championship caliber QB? I have no idea, but the odds are certainly against him, as they are for just about every QB that comes into the league. Can he be an above average QB capable of leading a good team far into the playoffs? Maybe. After all, Sanchez did it. I'm just not ready to close the book on him after only two years with lousy coaching. He's was dealt a bad hand his first two years and didn't do much to overcome it except show that he has the physical skills. Fortunately, they switched decks and he's going to get dealt a new hand this year. I'm sure they'll bring other competition into camp, but at this point, if I'm a betting man, my money is on Geno being the starter on opening day and I'll be looking forward to seeing what he can do. Find me any of those guys who turned into HOF QBs who were running out of the back of the end zone and buttfumbling themselves and I'll agree with you.
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