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Post by rangerous on Mar 2, 2015 17:59:17 GMT -5
Macagaganan and Bowles have a tough task ahead of them. We're not exactly in 'rebuild' mode but we obviously are QB- needy. I think it's doubtful that we get one of the top two rookies at 6. (the end of the season was brutal as we watched the Jets drop further and further out of the QB sweepstakes spot; first time I EVER, EVER rooted for this team to lose). So, if you are the GM what is the alternative, looking a few years down the road? We are loaded with cap space, but there isn't a FA QB worth considering. If they can use hefty salaries to lure some of the better/best other players out there, will that be a way to entice a better FA QB to come here in a few years? Can we overpay a few FA's to get really good (minus a QB) and still have enough left to get that FA QB? And most imporatantly, is there anyone who will be available in 2-3 years who could be the final piece of the puzzle? What do you do if you're the GM ? If I was the GM, I would not draft a QB at all in the draft...just too many question marks with the top two guys and the rest of them are not worthy of making an impact any time soon if at all. I would try and sign Fitz or Mallet and bring in a guy like Shaun Hill or Matt Moore so there can be somewhat of an competition. If Fitz beats out Geno then he can provide some decent play (maybe middle tier) for 2 years so we can bridge into someone else like a Connor Cook that we can draft next year. i can't agree. the qb position is too important. imo they should keep drafting qb's until they get one who can play. if either mariota or winston are available at 6 they need to grab him. at the very least it'll light a fire on geno's behind. i think he's been dogging it because he's not getting what he wants. geno simply can not be allowed to go into training camp with the starter job locked up. and the problem is that the guys who are most likely to be available simply aren't very good qb's.
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Post by rangerous on Mar 2, 2015 18:04:45 GMT -5
I hate to say it, but invest in the running game...and invest in it seriously. That means interior O-Line and try to grab one of the Top 3 RBs in this draft class while also possibly getting a FA like Spiller. A team built on defense and rushing CAN win and be successful. We need the threat of a pass and I think we'll have it but the Jets most recent success (think 2009, 2010, etc) was built around being able to run the football even when other teams knew we were going to run it. Guys like Damien Woody, Thomas Jones, Shonn Greene, LaDainian T., FB Tony Richardson are what helped the Jets win with a young QB who made mistakes. I don't see us having an opportunity to significantly upgrade at QB for a couple of years. We'll need to tinker with it, take some shots in the draft and maybe land a decent FA but we're unlikely to step into an Andrew Luck any time soon. Indeed. Whether you win by passing or running, the O-Line is an absolute essential FIRST...and ours currently suffers from gross neglect. I foresee lots of FA checks being cut to O-Line folks. After that you need a good QB (plus decent-->good receivers) for the passing game or a good RB (or two) for the running game. Unfortunately for the Jets, the numbers game (NFL-level QB's are harder to find than RB's) and the currently expected draft realities of this year's 6th pick (Mariota at best) and the availability of FA talent (players like McCown are no one's long term solution) mean that improving our record next year is best done by investing FA and draft picks in the running game and striving for a "decent-enough" passing game to limit the opposition to seven in the box. However, let's suppose that we did this and move up to 6-8 wins next year. What would be our QB prospects at that point? We would have a worse spot in the draft and not really any better prospects from the 2016 crop of free agents. How are we going to find our future QB from that position? The pundits indicate that Winston is likely gone after the first pick, and I believe them. Therefore, in my mind, our future hinges directly upon what our scouts think of Mariota. While there are never any guarantees, I think our planning in this regard is a simple function of our opinion of his future prospects: - If we think that Mariota *MIGHT* some day be top 5 in the league, we trade up aggressively.
- If we think that Mariota *MIGHT* some day be top 10 in the league, we trade up if a reasonable deal can be had.
- If we think that Mariota *MIGHT* some day be top 15 in the league, we take him if he drops to 6th.
So JS23, while I *completely agree with you on the quickest path to improvement for next season that the running game is our best approach, I think that for the longer term, we have to use our position at 6th pick to leverage the QB spot if we believe that there is a top 15 or better QB prospect in the draft this year.
i'm all for upgrading the oline and getting a decent run game going. that 50 attempt game against the doltfins almost did it but what it did do is expose geno because when he had to pass he couldn't. at the same time they need to get a qb and the best way to do that is to keep drafting until one sticks. if mariota or winston are there at 6 they need to take him. i don't i'd advocate trading up. use the pick on oline or defense or trade down.
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Post by kentuckyjet on Mar 2, 2015 18:13:27 GMT -5
Macagaganan and Bowles have a tough task ahead of them. We're not exactly in 'rebuild' mode but we obviously are QB- needy. I think it's doubtful that we get one of the top two rookies at 6. (the end of the season was brutal as we watched the Jets drop further and further out of the QB sweepstakes spot; first time I EVER, EVER rooted for this team to lose). So, if you are the GM what is the alternative, looking a few years down the road? We are loaded with cap space, but there isn't a FA QB worth considering. If they can use hefty salaries to lure some of the better/best other players out there, will that be a way to entice a better FA QB to come here in a few years? Can we overpay a few FA's to get really good (minus a QB) and still have enough left to get that FA QB? And most imporatantly, is there anyone who will be available in 2-3 years who could be the final piece of the puzzle? What do you do if you're the GM ? and that is why we MUST develop our own QB. It can take from 3 to 5 years. Too many people want instant gratification. If we draft Mariota or keep starting Geno, lets build a team around our guy. To jump from one QB to another without fully developing a guy will not work in the long run. Consistency matters! Guys like Geno or Mariota will take longer to fully develop not coming from a pro styled offense. Patience is what is needed.
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Post by kentuckyjet on Mar 2, 2015 18:17:34 GMT -5
why not talk abpout the game Geno scored a perfect QBR in Miami? Or hey what about his performance over the last 4 games? Did anyone think thjat a very raw QB would come into the NFL and do great? I think we all know that GENO was supposed to be a project and NOT play until he was ready in two or three years. It did not workout that way. But there were some positives but the usual doom and gloom Jets fans just need to overlook them.
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Post by rexneffect on Mar 2, 2015 18:21:59 GMT -5
i can't agree. the qb position is too important. imo they should keep drafting qb's until they get one who can play. if either mariota or winston are available at 6 they need to grab him. I don't understand how anybody can think this way. If the team keeps burning picks at QB every year until they strike gold they are in a position to have a great QB and not much else around him. QB can't be the only position we develop or take a high value player in the draft. If that strategy were even remotely viable then you would see teams doing that but there's a reason why you don't see teams burning an early round pick on QB every draft.
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Post by yankeejet22 on Mar 2, 2015 19:06:34 GMT -5
How about this. Sign Ryan Mallett and have him compete with Geno. Draft a QB... I would prefer Mariota... and put him on ice until next year.
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Post by rangerous on Mar 2, 2015 19:25:30 GMT -5
i can't agree. the qb position is too important. imo they should keep drafting qb's until they get one who can play. if either mariota or winston are available at 6 they need to grab him. I don't understand how anybody can think this way. If the team keeps burning picks at QB every year until they strike gold they are in a position to have a great QB and not much else around him. QB can't be the only position we develop or take a high value player in the draft. If that strategy were even remotely viable then you would see teams doing that but there's a reason why you don't see teams burning an early round pick on QB every draft. it's pretty simple. you have a good qb and a lot of other problems disappear. Consider the jets past season. How many points did they score? 17 ppg. Geno gave away a large portion of those points. Consider to that when namath was drafted they also drafted huarte and had mike taliafaro as qb. when todd was drafted they also picked up matt robinson. not saying that robinson was drafted to supplant todd but they didn't stay put. just recently they took clemens in the 2nd round and they also picked qbs like bollinger, and brad smith. and once the team gets that great qb it isn't too difficult to accumulate the talent at the other positions. i don't think anyone knows for sure if geno can be a decent qb. he personally cost the team 3 losses by throwing early picks or pick sixes or fumbling. i for one, would like to see him replaced but i will also be the first to cheer him if bowles put him out there.
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Post by rexneffect on Mar 2, 2015 20:02:01 GMT -5
I don't understand how anybody can think this way. If the team keeps burning picks at QB every year until they strike gold they are in a position to have a great QB and not much else around him. QB can't be the only position we develop or take a high value player in the draft. If that strategy were even remotely viable then you would see teams doing that but there's a reason why you don't see teams burning an early round pick on QB every draft. it's pretty simple. you have a good qb and a lot of other problems disappear. Consider the jets past season. How many points did they score? 17 ppg. Geno gave away a large portion of those points. Consider to that when namath was drafted they also drafted huarte and had mike taliafaro as qb. when todd was drafted they also picked up matt robinson. not saying that robinson was drafted to supplant todd but they didn't stay put. just recently they took clemens in the 2nd round and they also picked qbs like bollinger, and brad smith. and once the team gets that great qb it isn't too difficult to accumulate the talent at the other positions. i don't think anyone knows for sure if geno can be a decent qb. he personally cost the team 3 losses by throwing early picks or pick sixes or fumbling. i for one, would like to see him replaced but i will also be the first to cheer him if bowles put him out there. That's just saying a good QB is good for a team and you're going to bring in multiple QBs on the roster. That's not what I am questioning. What I am questioning is your premise that you can and should just draft QBs like you're playing the numbers in a bar trying to hook up without regard for the other positions on the roster. You're not exactly helping your argument by identifying Clemens, Bollinger and Brad Smith as support for your argument.
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Post by Peebag on Mar 2, 2015 20:03:34 GMT -5
The Jets ARE rebuilding, they are coming off a 4-12 season, they have a huge question mark at QB and holes all over the defense and offense. Other than a decent defensive line and a couple good vet O linemen, the Jets have many needs. Add in the fact that they have a first time HC and GM and the Jets are the very definition of a rebuilding team. As as far as the QB goes. Forget free agency, you are not going to get a long term solution there, other than a very rare instance like Mr. Forehead a few years ago, good QBs don't hit free agency. You have to draft and develop them. In the meantime you build as good of a team around whatever QB you have on the roster and hope you hit on a kid and he develops into a long term solution. This is absolute complete bullshit. We don't have holes all over as you proclaim. We are a QB and maybe a few corners away from grabbing a wild card noise. No we're not...not even 2 years away from competing.
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Post by kuntysoze on Mar 2, 2015 20:15:25 GMT -5
This is absolute complete bullshit. We don't have holes all over as you proclaim. We are a QB and maybe a few corners away from grabbing a wild card noise. No we're not...not even 2 years away from competing. What a stupid post. You realize the NFL has the shortest turnaround time of all the major leagues? Particularly for a team like the Jets that are loaded with cash. Peebag = Typical SOJF
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 20:48:55 GMT -5
If I knew the answer to this I would be a GM, but not here.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Mar 2, 2015 22:32:35 GMT -5
If I knew the answer to this I would be a GM, but not here. I'm trying to figure out what QB's are slated to hit FA in about 2-3 years down the road and if they'd be alternatives for the Jets. You don't have to be a GM to know that do you? (isn't it common knowledge? which I don't happen to know how to look up)
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Post by rexneffect on Mar 2, 2015 22:38:18 GMT -5
If I knew the answer to this I would be a GM, but not here. I'm trying to figure out what QB's are slated to hit FA in about 2-3 years down the road and if they'd be alternatives for the Jets. You don't have to be a GM to know that do you? (isn't it common knowledge? which I don't happen to know how to look up) www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/2016/quarterback/
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Post by Peebag on Mar 2, 2015 22:39:03 GMT -5
No we're not...not even 2 years away from competing. What a stupid post. You realize the NFL has the shortest turnaround time of all the major leagues? Particularly for a team like the Jets that are loaded with cash. Peebag = Typical SOJF hmmm....no discernible QB prospect to be had, major holes in the OL, WR, LB, CBs(2) and Safety and you'll bring in a bunch of players (both FAs and Rookies) to fill those positions and expect them to play as a homogeneous unit. Also throw in a rookie head coach and a first time GM with a brand new coaching staff.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Mar 2, 2015 23:24:44 GMT -5
I'm trying to figure out what QB's are slated to hit FA in about 2-3 years down the road and if they'd be alternatives for the Jets. You don't have to be a GM to know that do you? (isn't it common knowledge? which I don't happen to know how to look up) www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/2016/quarterback/ok, pretty slim pickings. RGIII, Sam Bradford, or Cam Newton? Maybe? ??
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