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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Mar 1, 2015 22:42:46 GMT -5
Macagaganan and Bowles have a tough task ahead of them. We're not exactly in 'rebuild' mode but we obviously are QB- needy. I think it's doubtful that we get one of the top two rookies at 6. (the end of the season was brutal as we watched the Jets drop further and further out of the QB sweepstakes spot; first time I EVER, EVER rooted for this team to lose). So, if you are the GM what is the alternative, looking a few years down the road? We are loaded with cap space, but there isn't a FA QB worth considering. If they can use hefty salaries to lure some of the better/best other players out there, will that be a way to entice a better FA QB to come here in a few years? Can we overpay a few FA's to get really good (minus a QB) and still have enough left to get that FA QB? And most imporatantly, is there anyone who will be available in 2-3 years who could be the final piece of the puzzle? What do you do if you're the GM ?
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Post by choon328 on Mar 2, 2015 0:21:22 GMT -5
With the way the salary cap is exploding over the next few years I don't see any worthwhile QB's hitting Fa. Especially considering the emphasis the league has put on needing very good to great QB play to win in this league. The Jets will have to finally draft and develop a QB in order to get their franchise guy. And I also think that Winston is the only franchise worthy QB in this draft. Let's build a strong team around the Qb so that when we find the right guy he'll have the necessary components to develop and be successful.
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Post by jetstream23 on Mar 2, 2015 0:48:12 GMT -5
I hate to say it, but invest in the running game...and invest in it seriously. That means interior O-Line and try to grab one of the Top 3 RBs in this draft class while also possibly getting a FA like Spiller. A team built on defense and rushing CAN win and be successful. We need the threat of a pass and I think we'll have it but the Jets most recent success (think 2009, 2010, etc) was built around being able to run the football even when other teams knew we were going to run it. Guys like Damien Woody, Thomas Jones, Shonn Greene, LaDainian T., FB Tony Richardson are what helped the Jets win with a young QB who made mistakes.
I don't see us having an opportunity to significantly upgrade at QB for a couple of years. We'll need to tinker with it, take some shots in the draft and maybe land a decent FA but we're unlikely to step into an Andrew Luck any time soon.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Mar 2, 2015 9:24:03 GMT -5
Macagaganan and Bowles have a tough task ahead of them. We're not exactly in 'rebuild' mode but we obviously are QB- needy. I think it's doubtful that we get one of the top two rookies at 6. (the end of the season was brutal as we watched the Jets drop further and further out of the QB sweepstakes spot; first time I EVER, EVER rooted for this team to lose). So, if you are the GM what is the alternative, looking a few years down the road? We are loaded with cap space, but there isn't a FA QB worth considering. If they can use hefty salaries to lure some of the better/best other players out there, will that be a way to entice a better FA QB to come here in a few years? Can we overpay a few FA's to get really good (minus a QB) and still have enough left to get that FA QB? And most imporatantly, is there anyone who will be available in 2-3 years who could be the final piece of the puzzle? What do you do if you're the GM ? The Jets ARE rebuilding, they are coming off a 4-12 season, they have a huge question mark at QB and holes all over the defense and offense. Other than a decent defensive line and a couple good vet O linemen, the Jets have many needs. Add in the fact that they have a first time HC and GM and the Jets are the very definition of a rebuilding team. As as far as the QB goes. Forget free agency, you are not going to get a long term solution there, other than a very rare instance like Manning a few years ago, good QBs don't hit free agency. You have to draft and develop them. In the meantime you build as good of a team around whatever QB you have on the roster and hope you hit on a kid and he develops into a long term solution. |
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Post by joepnyj1 on Mar 2, 2015 10:33:32 GMT -5
Macagaganan and Bowles have a tough task ahead of them. We're not exactly in 'rebuild' mode but we obviously are QB- needy. I think it's doubtful that we get one of the top two rookies at 6. (the end of the season was brutal as we watched the Jets drop further and further out of the QB sweepstakes spot; first time I EVER, EVER rooted for this team to lose). So, if you are the GM what is the alternative, looking a few years down the road? We are loaded with cap space, but there isn't a FA QB worth considering. If they can use hefty salaries to lure some of the better/best other players out there, will that be a way to entice a better FA QB to come here in a few years? Can we overpay a few FA's to get really good (minus a QB) and still have enough left to get that FA QB? And most imporatantly, is there anyone who will be available in 2-3 years who could be the final piece of the puzzle? What do you do if you're the GM ? If I was the GM, I would not draft a QB at all in the draft...just too many question marks with the top two guys and the rest of them are not worthy of making an impact any time soon if at all. I would try and sign Fitz or Mallet and bring in a guy like Shaun Hill or Matt Moore so there can be somewhat of an competition. If Fitz beats out Geno then he can provide some decent play (maybe middle tier) for 2 years so we can bridge into someone else like a Connor Cook that we can draft next year. |
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Post by sec.101row23 on Mar 2, 2015 10:56:26 GMT -5
Macagaganan and Bowles have a tough task ahead of them. We're not exactly in 'rebuild' mode but we obviously are QB- needy. I think it's doubtful that we get one of the top two rookies at 6. (the end of the season was brutal as we watched the Jets drop further and further out of the QB sweepstakes spot; first time I EVER, EVER rooted for this team to lose). So, if you are the GM what is the alternative, looking a few years down the road? We are loaded with cap space, but there isn't a FA QB worth considering. If they can use hefty salaries to lure some of the better/best other players out there, will that be a way to entice a better FA QB to come here in a few years? Can we overpay a few FA's to get really good (minus a QB) and still have enough left to get that FA QB? And most imporatantly, is there anyone who will be available in 2-3 years who could be the final piece of the puzzle? What do you do if you're the GM ? If I was the GM, I would not draft a QB at all in the draft...just too many question marks with the top two guys and the rest of them are not worthy of making an impact any time soon if at all. I would try and sign Fitz or Mallet and bring in a guy like Shaun Hill or Matt Moore so there can be somewhat of an competition. If Fitz beats out Geno then he can provide some decent play (maybe middle tier) for 2 years so we can bridge into someone else like a Connor Cook that we can draft next year. What question marks do these top 2 QBs have that Cook would not have when he comes out next year? Except a very small handful of QBs, all college QBs have question marks. |
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Post by joepnyj1 on Mar 2, 2015 11:03:10 GMT -5
I hear ya but I just don't see an elite type QB this year. I think Cook has a chance to be really good. JMO.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Mar 2, 2015 11:04:33 GMT -5
I hear ya but I just don't see an elite type QB this year. I think Cook has a chance to be really good. JMO. Ok, but Cook isn't elite either. As many, if not more questions with him right now. |
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Post by kuntysoze on Mar 2, 2015 12:21:50 GMT -5
Macagaganan and Bowles have a tough task ahead of them. We're not exactly in 'rebuild' mode but we obviously are QB- needy. I think it's doubtful that we get one of the top two rookies at 6. (the end of the season was brutal as we watched the Jets drop further and further out of the QB sweepstakes spot; first time I EVER, EVER rooted for this team to lose). So, if you are the GM what is the alternative, looking a few years down the road? We are loaded with cap space, but there isn't a FA QB worth considering. If they can use hefty salaries to lure some of the better/best other players out there, will that be a way to entice a better FA QB to come here in a few years? Can we overpay a few FA's to get really good (minus a QB) and still have enough left to get that FA QB? And most imporatantly, is there anyone who will be available in 2-3 years who could be the final piece of the puzzle? What do you do if you're the GM ? The Jets ARE rebuilding, they are coming off a 4-12 season, they have a huge question mark at QB and holes all over the defense and offense. Other than a decent defensive line and a couple good vet O linemen, the Jets have many needs. Add in the fact that they have a first time HC and GM and the Jets are the very definition of a rebuilding team. As as far as the QB goes. Forget free agency, you are not going to get a long term solution there, other than a very rare instance like Mr. Forehead a few years ago, good QBs don't hit free agency. You have to draft and develop them. In the meantime you build as good of a team around whatever QB you have on the roster and hope you hit on a kid and he develops into a long term solution. This is absolute complete bullshit. We don't have holes all over as you proclaim. We are a QB and maybe a few corners away from grabbing a wild card noise. |
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Mar 2, 2015 12:27:04 GMT -5
Macagaganan and Bowles have a tough task ahead of them. We're not exactly in 'rebuild' mode but we obviously are QB- needy. I think it's doubtful that we get one of the top two rookies at 6. (the end of the season was brutal as we watched the Jets drop further and further out of the QB sweepstakes spot; first time I EVER, EVER rooted for this team to lose). So, if you are the GM what is the alternative, looking a few years down the road? We are loaded with cap space, but there isn't a FA QB worth considering. If they can use hefty salaries to lure some of the better/best other players out there, will that be a way to entice a better FA QB to come here in a few years? Can we overpay a few FA's to get really good (minus a QB) and still have enough left to get that FA QB? And most imporatantly, is there anyone who will be available in 2-3 years who could be the final piece of the puzzle? What do you do if you're the GM ? The Jets ARE rebuilding, they are coming off a 4-12 season, they have a huge question mark at QB and holes all over the defense and offense. Other than a decent defensive line and a couple good vet O linemen, the Jets have many needs. Add in the fact that they have a first time HC and GM and the Jets are the very definition of a rebuilding team. As as far as the QB goes. Forget free agency, you are not going to get a long term solution there, other than a very rare instance like Mr. Forehead a few years ago, good QBs don't hit free agency. You have to draft and develop them. In the meantime you build as good of a team around whatever QB you have on the roster and hope you hit on a kid and he develops into a long term solution. I guess my definition of rebuilding is when the team comes off a championship season (or close) and loses all its good players to FA and needs to start from the beginning. I guess that means we were in rebuild mode in '11 and '12 only Tanny didn't do anything about it. |
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Post by sec.101row23 on Mar 2, 2015 12:33:06 GMT -5
The Jets ARE rebuilding, they are coming off a 4-12 season, they have a huge question mark at QB and holes all over the defense and offense. Other than a decent defensive line and a couple good vet O linemen, the Jets have many needs. Add in the fact that they have a first time HC and GM and the Jets are the very definition of a rebuilding team. As as far as the QB goes. Forget free agency, you are not going to get a long term solution there, other than a very rare instance like Mr. Forehead a few years ago, good QBs don't hit free agency. You have to draft and develop them. In the meantime you build as good of a team around whatever QB you have on the roster and hope you hit on a kid and he develops into a long term solution. I guess my definition of rebuilding is when the team comes off a championship season (or close) and loses all its good players to FA and needs to start from the beginning. I guess that means we were in rebuild mode in '11 and '12 only Tanny didn't do anything about it. The rebuild really started with the purging of the bad contracts that were remaining after Tanny left. That essentially created a clean slate cap wise and allowed the Jets some flexibility. They are basically still in that situation. It will be interesting to see just how many players who are currently on this roster are still here on opening day in 2016. My guess is that you will see a massive turnover on the roster over the next two offseasons. |
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Post by rexneffect on Mar 2, 2015 12:34:04 GMT -5
I hate to say it, but invest in the running game...and invest in it seriously. That means interior O-Line and try to grab one of the Top 3 RBs in this draft class while also possibly getting a FA like Spiller. A team built on defense and rushing CAN win and be successful. We need the threat of a pass and I think we'll have it but the Jets most recent success (think 2009, 2010, etc) was built around being able to run the football even when other teams knew we were going to run it. Guys like Damien Woody, Thomas Jones, Shonn Greene, LaDainian T., FB Tony Richardson are what helped the Jets win with a young QB who made mistakes. I don't see us having an opportunity to significantly upgrade at QB for a couple of years. We'll need to tinker with it, take some shots in the draft and maybe land a decent FA but we're unlikely to step into an Andrew Luck any time soon. I completely agree. It's going to be tough getting a QB and band of WRs all in one year that will turn the team around in one year without having to pay such a premium that we won't be able to keep those players for more than 2-3 years and setting the Tannenbaum-like tone that we will pay on excessive contracts. That's even assuming we can get a QB that can push the team forward enough to make it even remotely cost beneficial. And even if you can put all those pieces together you still need a good O-line to give the QB the protection to do his job. I'd much rather see us focus draft picks and FA putting together a great O-line and grabbing a great RB to pair with Ivory. Let's grab somebody halfway decent in FA as a QB and a late round pick and see what we can develop (and a decent FA WR). Target next year for QB and WR. |
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Post by maury77 on Mar 2, 2015 13:05:19 GMT -5
I hear ya but I just don't see an elite type QB this year. I think Cook has a chance to be really good. JMO. Ok, but Cook isn't elite either. As many, if not more questions with him right now. I would rank both Cook and Hackenberg below the 2 guys coming out this year. |
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Post by kuntysoze on Mar 2, 2015 15:31:21 GMT -5
I hate to say it, but invest in the running game...and invest in it seriously. That means interior O-Line and try to grab one of the Top 3 RBs in this draft class while also possibly getting a FA like Spiller. A team built on defense and rushing CAN win and be successful. We need the threat of a pass and I think we'll have it but the Jets most recent success (think 2009, 2010, etc) was built around being able to run the football even when other teams knew we were going to run it. Guys like Damien Woody, Thomas Jones, Shonn Greene, LaDainian T., FB Tony Richardson are what helped the Jets win with a young QB who made mistakes. I don't see us having an opportunity to significantly upgrade at QB for a couple of years. We'll need to tinker with it, take some shots in the draft and maybe land a decent FA but we're unlikely to step into an Andrew Luck any time soon. I completely agree. It's going to be tough getting a QB and band of WRs all in one year that will turn the team around in one year without having to pay such a premium that we won't be able to keep those players for more than 2-3 years and setting the Tannenbaum-like tone that we will pay on excessive contracts. That's even assuming we can get a QB that can push the team forward enough to make it even remotely cost beneficial. And even if you can put all those pieces together you still need a good O-line to give the QB the protection to do his job. I'd much rather see us focus draft picks and FA putting together a great O-line and grabbing a great RB to pair with Ivory. Let's grab somebody halfway decent in FA as a QB and a late round pick and see what we can develop (and a decent FA WR). Target next year for QB and WR. Then what are the Jets supposed to do this year in order to go deep in the playoffs? |
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Post by greengeek on Mar 2, 2015 16:48:05 GMT -5
I hate to say it, but invest in the running game...and invest in it seriously. That means interior O-Line and try to grab one of the Top 3 RBs in this draft class while also possibly getting a FA like Spiller. A team built on defense and rushing CAN win and be successful. We need the threat of a pass and I think we'll have it but the Jets most recent success (think 2009, 2010, etc) was built around being able to run the football even when other teams knew we were going to run it. Guys like Damien Woody, Thomas Jones, Shonn Greene, LaDainian T., FB Tony Richardson are what helped the Jets win with a young QB who made mistakes. I don't see us having an opportunity to significantly upgrade at QB for a couple of years. We'll need to tinker with it, take some shots in the draft and maybe land a decent FA but we're unlikely to step into an Andrew Luck any time soon. Indeed. Whether you win by passing or running, the O-Line is an absolute essential FIRST...and ours currently suffers from gross neglect. I foresee lots of FA checks being cut to O-Line folks. After that you need a good QB (plus decent-->good receivers) for the passing game or a good RB (or two) for the running game. Unfortunately for the Jets, the numbers game (NFL-level QB's are harder to find than RB's) and the currently expected draft realities of this year's 6th pick (Mariota at best) and the availability of FA talent (players like McCown are no one's long term solution) mean that improving our record next year is best done by investing FA and draft picks in the running game and striving for a "decent-enough" passing game to limit the opposition to seven in the box. However, let's suppose that we did this and move up to 6-8 wins next year. What would be our QB prospects at that point? We would have a worse spot in the draft and not really any better prospects from the 2016 crop of free agents. How are we going to find our future QB from that position? The pundits indicate that Winston is likely gone after the first pick, and I believe them. Therefore, in my mind, our future hinges directly upon what our scouts think of Mariota. While there are never any guarantees, I think our planning in this regard is a simple function of our opinion of his future prospects: - If we think that Mariota *MIGHT* some day be top 5 in the league, we trade up aggressively.
- If we think that Mariota *MIGHT* some day be top 10 in the league, we trade up if a reasonable deal can be had.
- If we think that Mariota *MIGHT* some day be top 15 in the league, we take him if he drops to 6th.
So JS23, while I *completely agree with you on the quickest path to improvement for next season that the running game is our best approach, I think that for the longer term, we have to use our position at 6th pick to leverage the QB spot if we believe that there is a top 15 or better QB prospect in the draft this year.
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