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Post by Dirtstar on Mar 22, 2015 10:28:59 GMT -5
It's going to take a lot more than the #6 pick in the draft to get someone like Rivers from the chargers. If you were a chargers fan, would you be happy with that deal? Even if that pick ends up being Mariota, you're basically trading a sure thing top 10 QB in Rivers for a rookie QB that may or may not be good. Makes no sense for them. You don't trade away franchise QB's. There's a reason it never happens. They're just so hard to find. he's going on 34 years old and will be looking for a salary on the order of $20 million/year. if they're not committed to winning in the short term, why keep him around?
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Post by MDL JET on Mar 22, 2015 10:36:04 GMT -5
Give me Rivers for whatever the fuck they want. He's still got plenty of years left in him. He could be our Kurt Warner situation.
I see no reason why Rivers, decker, and Marshall wouldn't dominate.
This thread is a tease. Sigh. We need a QB.
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Post by Jets Things on Mar 22, 2015 11:17:31 GMT -5
As long as we do what we have to do to get Christian Hackenberg next year, I don't care.
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Post by choon328 on Mar 22, 2015 11:21:39 GMT -5
I'm going to assume that the only way those guys get traded is on draft day. The question really should be: If Mariota is at 6 when we pick what would you do when faced with these options: A: Draft Mariota B: Trade #6 for Rivers and #17 overall C: Trade #6 for Brees and #13 overall D: Trade #6 for Browns #12 & #19 E: Draft another player *First thing. At this stage in their career Rivers and Brees are not worth a #6 pick overall so I would be really against any trade like that. Both teams would be trying to move up to get their QB of the future so that's worth a lot more then just Brees or Rivers, their 1st round pick would have to be included. Now if they were just dealing them prior to the draft I would give a 2nd at the most. Yes you're getting a top 10 QB but you're getting him in the twilight of his career and both of them will need their contracts re-worked and be paid a lot of money.* I would take Rivers and the 17th overall pick. 3 years younger than Brees coming off a better year than Brees and since it's the last year of his deal we can work out an extension pretty easily without off-setting much money to get him under the cap. Base salary is about $4.25 million less than Brees for 2015 but I'm assuming that would drop anyway with an extension and turning some of that base salary into a signing bonus. At #17 the Jets would have options at pass rusher and taking a tackle at this spot wouldn't be a reach and would help out the team and their new QB. What do you guys think? This isn't Madden hahah, it would be hard getting them to part with their quarterback let alone getting another first round pick. It's just not possible. It would take our first round and more to get them. The idea is that they would be approaching the Jets about a trade not the other way around. Which means the Jets would have leverage in a situation like that. I don't think the Chargers would ever trade Rivers, it's called a "hypothetical situation".
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Mar 22, 2015 11:25:46 GMT -5
I think I'd do the #6 straight up for Rivers too. The problem is money. He'd need a new deal which won't be cheap, we've committed $39m to Revis and need to sign Mo. Can't see how Revis, Rivers and Mo could all be on the team together for the next 3 years. this x 1000000 These rumors seem to be based on some truth buzzing around below the surface. I'd trade our first for Rivers no question. Maybe get something back like a lower level pick. Not sure what they could do to get Rivers but I'd give up Revis straight up. Revis is making more than Rivers this coming year I believe. He is a FA next year though so for one year maybe they figure something out. Brees on the other hand, I would do a mid level pick only, maybe a second swap, something like that. His contract is even more ridiculous than Rivers's. Rivers would get it done with what we have now, he's used to worse rosters, worse coaching staff, etc. Brees on the other hand has succeeded because of excellence around him and having everything tailored to exactly how he needs it to be, which the Jets would not be able to do.
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Post by jcappy on Mar 22, 2015 11:26:48 GMT -5
As much of a pipe dream this is you'd be crazy to pass up an offer for either of these guys. The only argument against it would be cap room and if you think Mariota is absolutely the next franchise QB. Brees or Rivers instantly make us a playoff team for the next couple of years at least and would even allow us to properly develop a QB on the bench instead of this whole trial by fire thing we've been doing for years now.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Mar 22, 2015 11:29:01 GMT -5
I'm going to assume that the only way those guys get traded is on draft day. The question really should be: If Mariota is at 6 when we pick what would you do when faced with these options: A: Draft Mariota B: Trade #6 for Rivers and #17 overall C: Trade #6 for Brees and #13 overall D: Trade #6 for Browns #12 & #19 E: Draft another player *First thing. At this stage in their career Rivers and Brees are not worth a #6 pick overall so I would be really against any trade like that. Both teams would be trying to move up to get their QB of the future so that's worth a lot more then just Brees or Rivers, their 1st round pick would have to be included. Now if they were just dealing them prior to the draft I would give a 2nd at the most. Yes you're getting a top 10 QB but you're getting him in the twilight of his career and both of them will need their contracts re-worked and be paid a lot of money.* I would take Rivers and the 17th overall pick. 3 years younger than Brees coming off a better year than Brees and since it's the last year of his deal we can work out an extension pretty easily without off-setting much money to get him under the cap. Base salary is about $4.25 million less than Brees for 2015 but I'm assuming that would drop anyway with an extension and turning some of that base salary into a signing bonus. At #17 the Jets would have options at pass rusher and taking a tackle at this spot wouldn't be a reach and would help out the team and their new QB. What do you guys think? Totally on board with this line of thinking
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Post by Trades on Mar 22, 2015 11:31:26 GMT -5
I'm going to assume that the only way those guys get traded is on draft day. The question really should be: If Mariota is at 6 when we pick what would you do when faced with these options: A: Draft Mariota B: Trade #6 for Rivers and #17 overall C: Trade #6 for Brees and #13 overall D: Trade #6 for Browns #12 & #19 E: Draft another player *First thing. At this stage in their career Rivers and Brees are not worth a #6 pick overall so I would be really against any trade like that. Both teams would be trying to move up to get their QB of the future so that's worth a lot more then just Brees or Rivers, their 1st round pick would have to be included. Now if they were just dealing them prior to the draft I would give a 2nd at the most. Yes you're getting a top 10 QB but you're getting him in the twilight of his career and both of them will need their contracts re-worked and be paid a lot of money.* I would take Rivers and the 17th overall pick. 3 years younger than Brees coming off a better year than Brees and since it's the last year of his deal we can work out an extension pretty easily without off-setting much money to get him under the cap. Base salary is about $4.25 million less than Brees for 2015 but I'm assuming that would drop anyway with an extension and turning some of that base salary into a signing bonus. At #17 the Jets would have options at pass rusher and taking a tackle at this spot wouldn't be a reach and would help out the team and their new QB. What do you guys think? I would be happy with anything but A. I just don't see Mariotta as a top NFL QB outside of Philly (maybe). I prefer Brees over Rivers, I just think he is a better QB, but either one would get us to the playoffs and make us a legit contender. Otherwise I like the idea of trading down (Browns or Eagles) to get more picks a lot more than taking someone other than Cooper at 6 as I think he is a game changer.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Mar 22, 2015 11:33:52 GMT -5
I think I'd do the #6 straight up for Rivers too. The problem is money. He'd need a new deal which won't be cheap, we've committed $39m to Revis and need to sign Mo. Can't see how Revis, Rivers and Mo could all be on the team together for the next 3 years. We could free up about another $15 - $16MM cap space to fit in a franchise QB: According to overthecap.com: $4MM by restructuring Mangold $3MM by restructurint Decker $3.2MM by cutting Fitzpatrick -- won't be needed anymore $3.5MM by cutting Pace (2) & Babin (1.5) (assumes we get an edge rusher in the draft) $2.5MM by cutting Walls and either Allen/Jarrett (Walls become expendable with all of the CBs we signed and Allen/Jarrett due to Gilchrist signing. There are other back end of the roster guys who could get cut for $500K to $600K each that could save another $2 - $3MM if necessary. I don't see any way to get there without the restructures of Mangold and Decker which will impact the cap in future years. 2016 would be really tight -- Breno and Marshall would almost certainly be cap casualties (Breno is probably a cap casualty anyway unless he elevates his level of play from last season). Means we would probably have to draft a T and possibly a WR this year to have cheap replacements for them on the roster for 2016. Not sure where all of this would leave the possibility of an extension/re-signing for Mo. Bottom line is it could be done, but it would not be easy. I think it is all a moot point anyway. Everything I have read about Rivers is that he is a west coast guy and does not want to leave SD -- not sure he would be willing to sign an extension here. Brees may be more of a possibility, but a longshot as well and how much do you want to give up in trade and cap casualties for a 36 year old QB. What about Brick - can he be restructured?
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Post by Lithfan on Mar 22, 2015 11:38:26 GMT -5
We could free up about another $15 - $16MM cap space to fit in a franchise QB: According to overthecap.com: $4MM by restructuring Mangold $3MM by restructurint Decker $3.2MM by cutting Fitzpatrick -- won't be needed anymore $3.5MM by cutting Pace (2) & Babin (1.5) (assumes we get an edge rusher in the draft) $2.5MM by cutting Walls and either Allen/Jarrett (Walls become expendable with all of the CBs we signed and Allen/Jarrett due to Gilchrist signing. There are other back end of the roster guys who could get cut for $500K to $600K each that could save another $2 - $3MM if necessary. I don't see any way to get there without the restructures of Mangold and Decker which will impact the cap in future years. 2016 would be really tight -- Breno and Marshall would almost certainly be cap casualties (Breno is probably a cap casualty anyway unless he elevates his level of play from last season). Means we would probably have to draft a T and possibly a WR this year to have cheap replacements for them on the roster for 2016. Not sure where all of this would leave the possibility of an extension/re-signing for Mo. Bottom line is it could be done, but it would not be easy. I think it is all a moot point anyway. Everything I have read about Rivers is that he is a west coast guy and does not want to leave SD -- not sure he would be willing to sign an extension here. Brees may be more of a possibility, but a longshot as well and how much do you want to give up in trade and cap casualties for a 36 year old QB. What about Brick - can he be restructured? I am not sure why, but it does not come up as an option for Brick on OTC -- not sure if it is a mistake in the site or if there is a feature in his contract that prevents it.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Mar 22, 2015 11:41:49 GMT -5
What about Brick - can he be restructured? I am not sure why, but it does not come up as an option for Brick on OTC -- not sure if it is a mistake in the site or if there is a feature in his contract that prevents it. And he's the biggest drag on our cap I believe
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Post by Lithfan on Mar 22, 2015 11:48:15 GMT -5
I am not sure why, but it does not come up as an option for Brick on OTC -- not sure if it is a mistake in the site or if there is a feature in his contract that prevents it. And he's the biggest drag on our cap I believe Yup, he was until Revis. Based on his contract, he probably has two years left with us. One of the reasons I would like to see us pick a tackle relatively early in the draft this year. Would like to have some depth so we can cut Breno if necessary next year and Brick is not getting any younger. And we have pretty much ignored the position in the draft for years. Only depth behind Brick and Breno is Brent Qvale -- a udfa out of Nebraska from last year.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Mar 22, 2015 12:04:28 GMT -5
And he's the biggest drag on our cap I believe Yup, he was until Revis. Based on his contract, he probably has two years left with us. One of the reasons I would like to see us pick a tackle relatively early in the draft this year. Would like to have some depth so we can cut Breno if necessary this year and Brick is not getting any younger. And we have pretty much ignored the position in the draft for years. Only depth behind Brick and Breno is Brent Qvale -- a udfa out of Nebraska from last year. Yet everyone keeps saying the Oline is fine. I am 'concerned'.
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Post by Touchable on Mar 22, 2015 12:05:41 GMT -5
And he's the biggest drag on our cap I believe Yup, he was until Revis. Based on his contract, he probably has two years left with us. One of the reasons I would like to see us pick a tackle relatively early in the draft this year. Would like to have some depth so we can cut Breno if necessary this year and Brick is not getting any younger. And we have pretty much ignored the position in the draft for years. Only depth behind Brick and Breno is Brent Qvale -- a udfa out of Nebraska from last year. Rob Havenstein He actually reminds me a bit of Andrew Whitworth. I could see him challenging Breno from Day 1 and I think people underrate the hell out of him as an athlete. Could potentially slide over to LT eventually. Kid has great footwork.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Mar 22, 2015 12:07:32 GMT -5
Yup, he was until Revis. Based on his contract, he probably has two years left with us. One of the reasons I would like to see us pick a tackle relatively early in the draft this year. Would like to have some depth so we can cut Breno if necessary this year and Brick is not getting any younger. And we have pretty much ignored the position in the draft for years. Only depth behind Brick and Breno is Brent Qvale -- a udfa out of Nebraska from last year. Rob Havenstein He actually reminds me a bit of Andrew Whitworth. I could see him challenging Breno from Day 1 and I think people underrate the hell out of him as an athlete. Could potentially slide over to LT eventually. Kid has great footwork. Who is this, someone in the draft? Is he a realistic pick with our picks?
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