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Post by Touchable on Mar 22, 2015 12:11:03 GMT -5
Rob Havenstein He actually reminds me a bit of Andrew Whitworth. I could see him challenging Breno from Day 1 and I think people underrate the hell out of him as an athlete. Could potentially slide over to LT eventually. Kid has great footwork. Who is this, someone in the draft? Is he a realistic pick with our picks? 6'8 330 OT from Wisconsin Projected late 2nd/early 3rd rounder after a great senior bowl performance. I'd take him in a heartbeat at the top of the 3rd if he's still there.
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Post by Hotman on Mar 22, 2015 18:19:00 GMT -5
Rivers yes.
Brees, do not want.
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Post by nycdan on Mar 22, 2015 19:06:20 GMT -5
I would trade our #1 and #2 for Rivers. I wouldn't want Brees at this point for almost any price. Rivers makes this team a solid playoff contender. There are no picks at #1 and #2 that can do as much for this team over the next two years as Rivers. So easy call for me. Assuming we can make the money work.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Mar 22, 2015 19:08:15 GMT -5
Rivers yes. Brees, do not want.
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Post by kuntysoze on Mar 23, 2015 7:49:59 GMT -5
No one's going to agree with me, but I'd give up the entire draft for either of those guys if that's what it took to get them here. It's a throwaway year with geno and the beard anyways. You don't win super bowls without franchise qb's and I'm sick of watching them throw out these 4th tier qb's every year. Not that it would take that much, but I 100 percent agree. I don't expect playoffs this year because of the quarterback position. Drafting a rookie quarterback means having to develop him, taking a couple of years while we waste the prime years of our best players. The fact of the matter is with Rivers I'd say we are a lock for the playoffs. With Brees? I'd say AFC championship caliber. I don't believe either player is getting moved honestly, but Rivers I could see. I would definitely do our 6th pick for Rivers straight up, if that was what it would be. We would instantly be a playoff caliber team. You guys suck and are really shitty fans.
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Post by rexneffect on Mar 23, 2015 10:02:53 GMT -5
We've talked Brees and I am still not on board with him coming to NY. Even if the deal was generous to us I don't think Brees is even 75% as good here. I definitely would not want to spend away the future on a guy who can't make a return into the future. He's a handful of years at most.
Rivers would be a more interesting trade because there's a couple more years of potential play but I think he is also a risk to move into a cold weather team out of a place that never gets cold.
Overall the only reason it makes sense to take either guy is if (1) the deal is fair, (2) we can upgrade the o-line to support the investment and (3) it allows us to develop a plan to bring a younger QB into the position. If we trade away an early pick and have to burn our other early round picks on o-line (not that it would be a terrible thing to do in general) then we get stuck having to pick up a QB out of the late rounds or wait until next year to pick a QB. I'm not sure there is a way to put all those pieces together to not hang our hat on the hope that a guy in his mid-30s can come into NY and play at a high level long enough to not only win but give us time to find and develop a future QB.
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Post by soberphobia on Mar 23, 2015 10:31:59 GMT -5
Wouldn't trade for either because sustained success comes from developing your own (by and large), and both anyway are nearer the end of their careers than the start.
Haven't we been through all this with Favre?
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Post by MDL JET on Mar 23, 2015 10:43:20 GMT -5
Wouldn't trade for either because sustained success comes from developing your own (by and large), and both anyway are nearer the end of their careers than the start. Haven't we been through all this with Favre? Yes, and it was spectacular. With Rivers you can have sustained success for at least 3-4 years. That's good enough for me.
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Post by Dirtstar on Mar 23, 2015 12:50:57 GMT -5
Wouldn't trade for either because sustained success comes from developing your own (by and large), and both anyway are nearer the end of their careers than the start. Haven't we been through all this with Favre? Yes, and it was spectacular. With Rivers you can have sustained success for at least 3-4 years. That's good enough for me. with Favre we were the best team in the AFC before he got hurt. and that was with Mangina and Schitty running things. and don't forget we already have a (once promising) young QB on the roster who could benefit from some time learning on the sidelines.
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Post by jett on Mar 23, 2015 13:13:52 GMT -5
Not that it would take that much, but I 100 percent agree. I don't expect playoffs this year because of the quarterback position. Drafting a rookie quarterback means having to develop him, taking a couple of years while we waste the prime years of our best players. The fact of the matter is with Rivers I'd say we are a lock for the playoffs. With Brees? I'd say AFC championship caliber. I don't believe either player is getting moved honestly, but Rivers I could see. I would definitely do our 6th pick for Rivers straight up, if that was what it would be. We would instantly be a playoff caliber team. You guys suck and are really shitty fans. Well darn I guess it must be true then. If some stranger who I have never met says I'm a bad fan then so be it. It's got to be true. On a real note, listen, being a homer is great and all, it's awesome for the morale and if it keeps you happy then by all means keep doing you. However, if you are going to sit there and say we are a lock for the playoffs that's a blatant lie. Do I think we can make the playoffs? Yes. Not with geno, but I think Fitz can potentially take us there in the wild card spot if he has a good year. With that said, I don't expect playoffs because I don't really know if Fitz is the guy. If saying rivers or brees makes us a playoff caliber team makes me a shitty fan then so be it. You're delusional. But you're right, let's stick it out with geno why bother upgrading our biggest problem at the most important position. Geno will take us to the Super Bowl, I guess?
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Post by rexneffect on Mar 23, 2015 15:29:04 GMT -5
Yes, and it was spectacular. With Rivers you can have sustained success for at least 3-4 years. That's good enough for me. with Favre we were the best team in the AFC before he got hurt. and that was with Mangina and Schitty running things. and don't forget we already have a (once promising) young QB on the roster who could benefit from some time learning on the sidelines. That's the problem. In 2008 Favre had 40% of his o-line in the pro bowl along with his RB. Will we be able to provide comparable security for another older QB after making the trades and cash outlay for either? If not then we position ourselves for the same type of performance where things look great and one hit sticks us with either an injured QB or Geno. I don't see how that is a good financial investment.
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Post by Aussie Jet on Mar 23, 2015 20:02:48 GMT -5
I'd kick the tyres on a Philip Rivers trade to see what the Chargers want for him, but I wouldn't sell the house to get him, though. Never played football in a cold weather location, so we'd be speculating on how he could adjust to playing home games in the wind, cold and snow.
Brees is already starting to decline. I don't want him, especially at the salary he's currently being paid.
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Post by Slackjaw on Mar 23, 2015 20:09:34 GMT -5
Like Rivers more than Brees. Bottom line we need a talented veteran
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Mar 24, 2015 8:47:20 GMT -5
We've talked Brees and I am still not on board with him coming to NY. Even if the deal was generous to us I don't think Brees is even 75% as good here. I definitely would not want to spend away the future on a guy who can't make a return into the future. He's a handful of years at most. Rivers would be a more interesting trade because there's a couple more years of potential play but I think he is also a risk to move into a cold weather team out of a place that never gets cold. Overall the only reason it makes sense to take either guy is if (1) the deal is fair, (2) we can upgrade the o-line to support the investment and (3) it allows us to develop a plan to bring a younger QB into the position. If we trade away an early pick and have to burn our other early round picks on o-line (not that it would be a terrible thing to do in general) then we get stuck having to pick up a QB out of the late rounds or wait until next year to pick a QB. I'm not sure there is a way to put all those pieces together to not hang our hat on the hope that a guy in his mid-30s can come into NY and play at a high level long enough to not only win but give us time to find and develop a future QB. This is kind of the problem as I see it. Say we do some kind of major restructuring to get Rivers on board. What do we do about the Oline then? We don't have a very good one and it looks like the FO is planning to upgrade it in the draft because any real good players available in FA did not come here. And the players available in this year's draft will not be plug-in starters. So it looks like the FO is planning to have a developmental offense, but a kick-ass defense. Doesn't make sense to me
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Post by kuntysoze on Mar 24, 2015 15:25:26 GMT -5
If the recent comments from Woody and Bowles are any indication, the Jets have no intent on trading for a vet QB at this point. It's going to be Geno or whatever rookie they take in the draft.
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