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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 22:11:25 GMT -5
I think it's actually "One Eggo" but
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Post by jetstream23 on Apr 2, 2015 11:48:07 GMT -5
I think it's actually "One Eggo" but It's Rex so it's more like 27 Eggos.
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Post by rexneffect on Apr 2, 2015 12:35:50 GMT -5
Everyone's entitled to their opinion and I certainly respect yours. I just have a very different one. I see a coach who would have benefited from a strong GM and I agree that perhaps Tanny and Idzik were pushovers in the Draft Room if it came down to a decision between a couple of players who were rated closely. I simply don't know. But that's on the organization. The Jets should have recognized that they had a HC who was truly excellent in some areas and had deficiencies in others. Then, you work to accentuate his strengths and mitigate his weaknesses. You put a stronger GM in place, you get a quality QB or find a coach/QB guru who can develop a QB. And while you talk about some of the "worst offensive football the league has witnessed" it's important to recognize that's largely all in the passing game. The Jets have had extremely capable rushing for most of Rex's tenure. We were able to run the ball against teams who knew we were going to run. The passing game was decent for about one season with Mark Sanchez, Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards, and Dustin Keller. That's it. The other seasons exposed that our QBs simply weren't that good and they were often throwing to starters including Stephen Hill, David Nelson, Chris Owusu or when we put Kerley into the WR2 spot where he simply does not fit. To function with a passing offense you need either a great QB or great WRs and you often need both....when we, in fact, had neither. I guess New England's success is due to the offensive mastermind Bill Belidick teaching Tom Sparklepony how to throw a football? I'd also love to replace Hall of Fame coach Chuck Pagano so that I can just point to TY Hilton and tell Andrew Luck to throw it to him. Anybody who expected Rex Ryan to come in and make shitty QBs shine like a diamond is delusional. Even noted offensive coaches like Jon Gruden can't make magic without talent. His 4-12 season in Tampa should have been 2-14 if not for a couple of lucky wins. What I do know is that Rex Ryan befuddled some of the best opposing QBs in the league. He won consecutive playoff games on the road against the two best QBs in the NFL of the past 20 years. The Jets won some games they had no business winning and they certainly lost their share of ugly ones, but most of the time the Jets were competitive. They lost two games this year to the eventual Super Bowl champions....one game by 2 points, the other by 1 point. In other words, they were closer to beating that Flats* twice than the Seahawks were. And the Jets did this with Geno Smith at QB and some dudes in the secondary who may not be playing in the NFL this year. Rex Ryan had one of the most deficient rosters in the league last year. There is no argument about that. Stevie Wonder could see the lack of talent. It's already evidenced by the Jets replacing at least 5 starters in just the past few weeks. AND that doesn't include the Bottom 10 QB we've been starting. I am hardly as anti-Rex as many but it was time to part ways even with the upgrades coming in this offseason. Accepting all of this as true Rex still brought two terrible problems to this team. First, his game plans were always uneven. One game we're so close to beating a superior team that a roster with median talent would have won the game but then in the next the whole team seemed directionless. There were a lot of clock management problems going on. That never improved. Second, he made absolutely terrible staff decisions. His staff was full of just awful coaches. The few good coaches he had tended to leave (e.g. Callahan) or if they stayed they seemed constantly at odds with him (e.g. Westoff). The support he showed for people who absolutely sucked at their jobs (e.g. Lal) left the team incapable of developing talent beyond Rex's personal experience developing defensive linemen. The persistence of game plan problems and his acceptance of so much of his Jets staff in Buffalo shows he hasn't yet learned the lessons he needs about being the kind of head coach he could be. Rex had a lot going against him the last several years but those are two issues where it is very difficult to blame other parts of the team and if he isn't improving against those challenges then it's time some other team carries the burden of his development.
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Post by jetstream23 on Apr 2, 2015 13:44:34 GMT -5
Everyone's entitled to their opinion and I certainly respect yours. I just have a very different one. I see a coach who would have benefited from a strong GM and I agree that perhaps Tanny and Idzik were pushovers in the Draft Room if it came down to a decision between a couple of players who were rated closely. I simply don't know. But that's on the organization. The Jets should have recognized that they had a HC who was truly excellent in some areas and had deficiencies in others. Then, you work to accentuate his strengths and mitigate his weaknesses. You put a stronger GM in place, you get a quality QB or find a coach/QB guru who can develop a QB. And while you talk about some of the "worst offensive football the league has witnessed" it's important to recognize that's largely all in the passing game. The Jets have had extremely capable rushing for most of Rex's tenure. We were able to run the ball against teams who knew we were going to run. The passing game was decent for about one season with Mark Sanchez, Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards, and Dustin Keller. That's it. The other seasons exposed that our QBs simply weren't that good and they were often throwing to starters including Stephen Hill, David Nelson, Chris Owusu or when we put Kerley into the WR2 spot where he simply does not fit. To function with a passing offense you need either a great QB or great WRs and you often need both....when we, in fact, had neither. I guess New England's success is due to the offensive mastermind Bill Belidick teaching Tom Sparklepony how to throw a football? I'd also love to replace Hall of Fame coach Chuck Pagano so that I can just point to TY Hilton and tell Andrew Luck to throw it to him. Anybody who expected Rex Ryan to come in and make shitty QBs shine like a diamond is delusional. Even noted offensive coaches like Jon Gruden can't make magic without talent. His 4-12 season in Tampa should have been 2-14 if not for a couple of lucky wins. What I do know is that Rex Ryan befuddled some of the best opposing QBs in the league. He won consecutive playoff games on the road against the two best QBs in the NFL of the past 20 years. The Jets won some games they had no business winning and they certainly lost their share of ugly ones, but most of the time the Jets were competitive. They lost two games this year to the eventual Super Bowl champions....one game by 2 points, the other by 1 point. In other words, they were closer to beating that Flats* twice than the Seahawks were. And the Jets did this with Geno Smith at QB and some dudes in the secondary who may not be playing in the NFL this year. Rex Ryan had one of the most deficient rosters in the league last year. There is no argument about that. Stevie Wonder could see the lack of talent. It's already evidenced by the Jets replacing at least 5 starters in just the past few weeks. AND that doesn't include the Bottom 10 QB we've been starting. I am hardly as anti-Rex as many but it was time to part ways even with the upgrades coming in this offseason. Accepting all of this as true Rex still brought two terrible problems to this team. First, his game plans were always uneven. One game we're so close to beating a superior team that a roster with median talent would have won the game but then in the next the whole team seemed directionless. There were a lot of clock management problems going on. That never improved. Second, he made absolutely terrible staff decisions. His staff was full of just awful coaches. The few good coaches he had tended to leave (e.g. Callahan) or if they stayed they seemed constantly at odds with him (e.g. Westoff). The support he showed for people who absolutely sucked at their jobs (e.g. LOL) left the team incapable of developing talent beyond Rex's personal experience developing defensive linemen. The persistence of game plan problems and his acceptance of so much of his Jets staff in Buffalo shows he hasn't yet learned the lessons he needs about being the kind of head coach he could be. Rex had a lot going against him the last several years but those are two issues where it is very difficult to blame other parts of the team and if he isn't improving against those challenges then it's time some other team carries the burden of his development. Great post. I don't really disagree with any of it. As I've said before, Rex had and likely still has many faults, but he was far from being a "bad coach." We'll see if he continues to be who he is and heads in the direction of other former Jets HC's who failed in their future assignments (ex. Herm in KC, Mangini in Cleveland) or if he goes on to be a Pete Carroll (Jets, Patriots) or Bill Belidick (Cleveland) type guy who really learned a lot in his first stint as a head coach and that made him better at his next stop. I just really hope that the Jets don't turn into the place where first time HCs take their lumps, learn the ropes and ride the bike with training wheels.....only to go on and become successful, seasoned coaches someplace else. It would suck to become the training camp for future great HCs.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Apr 2, 2015 14:48:24 GMT -5
Everyone's entitled to their opinion and I certainly respect yours. I just have a very different one. I see a coach who would have benefited from a strong GM and I agree that perhaps Tanny and Idzik were pushovers in the Draft Room if it came down to a decision between a couple of players who were rated closely. I simply don't know. But that's on the organization. The Jets should have recognized that they had a HC who was truly excellent in some areas and had deficiencies in others. Then, you work to accentuate his strengths and mitigate his weaknesses. You put a stronger GM in place, you get a quality QB or find a coach/QB guru who can develop a QB. And while you talk about some of the "worst offensive football the league has witnessed" it's important to recognize that's largely all in the passing game. The Jets have had extremely capable rushing for most of Rex's tenure. We were able to run the ball against teams who knew we were going to run. The passing game was decent for about one season with Mark Sanchez, Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards, and Dustin Keller. That's it. The other seasons exposed that our QBs simply weren't that good and they were often throwing to starters including Stephen Hill, David Nelson, Chris Owusu or when we put Kerley into the WR2 spot where he simply does not fit. To function with a passing offense you need either a great QB or great WRs and you often need both....when we, in fact, had neither. I guess New England's success is due to the offensive mastermind Bill Belidick teaching Tom Sparklepony how to throw a football? I'd also love to replace Hall of Fame coach Chuck Pagano so that I can just point to TY Hilton and tell Andrew Luck to throw it to him. Anybody who expected Rex Ryan to come in and make shitty QBs shine like a diamond is delusional. Even noted offensive coaches like Jon Gruden can't make magic without talent. His 4-12 season in Tampa should have been 2-14 if not for a couple of lucky wins. What I do know is that Rex Ryan befuddled some of the best opposing QBs in the league. He won consecutive playoff games on the road against the two best QBs in the NFL of the past 20 years. The Jets won some games they had no business winning and they certainly lost their share of ugly ones, but most of the time the Jets were competitive. They lost two games this year to the eventual Super Bowl champions....one game by 2 points, the other by 1 point. In other words, they were closer to beating that Flats* twice than the Seahawks were. And the Jets did this with Geno Smith at QB and some dudes in the secondary who may not be playing in the NFL this year. Rex Ryan had one of the most deficient rosters in the league last year. There is no argument about that. Stevie Wonder could see the lack of talent. It's already evidenced by the Jets replacing at least 5 starters in just the past few weeks. AND that doesn't include the Bottom 10 QB we've been starting. I am hardly as anti-Rex as many but it was time to part ways even with the upgrades coming in this offseason. Accepting all of this as true Rex still brought two terrible problems to this team. First, his game plans were always uneven. One game we're so close to beating a superior team that a roster with median talent would have won the game but then in the next the whole team seemed directionless. There were a lot of clock management problems going on. That never improved. Second, he made absolutely terrible staff decisions. His staff was full of just awful coaches. The few good coaches he had tended to leave (e.g. Callahan) or if they stayed they seemed constantly at odds with him (e.g. Westoff). The support he showed for people who absolutely sucked at their jobs (e.g. LOL) left the team incapable of developing talent beyond Rex's personal experience developing defensive linemen. The persistence of game plan problems and his acceptance of so much of his Jets staff in Buffalo shows he hasn't yet learned the lessons he needs about being the kind of head coach he could be. Rex had a lot going against him the last several years but those are two issues where it is very difficult to blame other parts of the team and if he isn't improving against those challenges then it's time some other team carries the burden of his development. I think it starts from the top down. Rex grabbed his chance to be a head coach, regardless of whether the front office was competent or not. The original coaches stuck around in the beginning when the superbowl contending roster was in place. When that went to pieces and Tanny did nothing about it, assistant coaches were bound to take off for better possibilities, not having the motivation to try and make chicken salad out of chicken shit like Rex did, or help him in the Sisyphean task of pushing the Jets roster up the hill, to mix a few metaphors. If anything Rex should have been more forceful in forcing change in the GM dept (like Chip Kelly) or in the scouting department, or have resigned, but he was extremely loyal to the Jets.
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Post by Hotman on Apr 2, 2015 16:50:24 GMT -5
Play like Bill.
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Post by rexneffect on Apr 2, 2015 19:48:28 GMT -5
I think it starts from the top down. Rex grabbed his chance to be a head coach, regardless of whether the front office was competent or not. The original coaches stuck around in the beginning when the superbowl contending roster was in place. When that went to pieces and Tanny did nothing about it, assistant coaches were bound to take off for better possibilities, not having the motivation to try and make chicken salad out of chicken shit like Rex did, or help him in the Sisyphean task of pushing the Jets roster up the hill, to mix a few metaphors. If anything Rex should have been more forceful in forcing change in the GM dept (like Chip Kelly) or in the scouting department, or have resigned, but he was extremely loyal to the Jets. I can buy in to some of this although I can't see any head coach resigning from his first head coaching position unless somebody else was desperate to hire him. It's rare for a head coach to resign at all but that first run at the position is what buys access into an extremely exclusive club of people first considered for future head coaching positions. If Rex had resigned he would have been perceived as incapable of performing the job and never given the position anywhere else but once he proved he would do the job through terrible times he will be preferred among coordinators with no head coaching experience minus those with significant credentials. It's the same reason why you see executives drift from one corporation to the next no matter how poorly they did in the last company. It's also why Brian Schottenheimer isn't out of football selling insurance (yet). The fear of the unknown is just too much even when a known quantity isn't particularly valuable. However, I can't completely give Rex a pass on his staffing decisions based on the hand he had to play. Undoubtedly many of our quality coaches left after our AFCCG runs and Rex had to make do with what he could bring in but his move to Buffalo was a perfect opportunity to part ways and upgrade to coaches who would be happy to coach a team with much better talent than what we had at the end of the season. So many of his coaches were like the Genos of their position. There is a lot of room to upgrade.
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Post by BrownBoogieboarder on Apr 3, 2015 1:57:58 GMT -5
He comes off as a total jackass More of a fan than a coach. And more interested in being buddy-buddy with his players instead of being respected. It's all hot air Why people still fall for it, I have no idea. Not sure how you can't admit that he's a pretty damn good coach. Yes, he's a goof of a personality and will never win a Nobel Prize for literature, but he took the Jets as far as any coach except Weeb, never had a QB in the Top 20 of the league and was sabotaged by his GM at the end. Bowles will now benefit from an ownership/GM situation that is attempting to right the wrong they know they dealt Rex. I've moved on. The only success I wish Rex is off the field while he's with Buffalo. But there's no reason to trash the guy. I wish people recognized that Rex's coaching should be parsed out from his personality. The facts are that he is a loud, boastful guy who isn't a sophisticated communicator....and who is also one of the NFL's great defensive minds and a great motivator as a head coach. Personality quirks aside, Rex was a master motivator and made chicken salad from chicken shit on the D side of the ball. No one successful head coach can do it all, and for what Rex was lacking he more than made up for in other areas. You see the problem for Rex was his inability to develop young QBs, oversee offense and the bad influence he had on personnel (offensive side more notably). If you put a strong GM in place, A very strong OC and give Rex a top 16 qb, I think Jets fans would have been singing a very different tune and we might have a ring or two in our avatars. As soon as the NYJ hired Izdik, I knew Rex was done and the thought of losing another SB capable HC seared my soul. I too have moved on and all emotions aside, I dislike that we have to see a Rex D twice a year. Basically, I respect the guy as a coach and wouldn't want to face him.
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Post by Touchable on Apr 3, 2015 11:33:27 GMT -5
Not sure how you can't admit that he's a pretty damn good coach. Yes, he's a goof of a personality and will never win a Nobel Prize for literature, but he took the Jets as far as any coach except Weeb, never had a QB in the Top 20 of the league and was sabotaged by his GM at the end. Bowles will now benefit from an ownership/GM situation that is attempting to right the wrong they know they dealt Rex. I've moved on. The only success I wish Rex is off the field while he's with Buffalo. But there's no reason to trash the guy. I wish people recognized that Rex's coaching should be parsed out from his personality. The facts are that he is a loud, boastful guy who isn't a sophisticated communicator....and who is also one of the NFL's great defensive minds and a great motivator as a head coach. Personality quirks aside, Rex was a master motivator and made chicken salad from chicken shit on the D side of the ball. No one successful head coach can do it all, and for what Rex was lacking he more than made up for in other areas. You see the problem for Rex was his inability to develop young QBs, oversee offense and the bad influence he had on personnel (offensive side more notably). If you put a strong GM in place, A very strong OC and give Rex a top 16 qb, I think Jets fans would have been singing a very different tune and we might have a ring or two in our avatars. As soon as the NYJ hired Izdik, I knew Rex was done and the thought of losing another SB capable HC seared my soul. I too have moved on and all emotions aside, I dislike that we have to see a Rex D twice a year. Basically, I respect the guy as a coach and wouldn't want to face him. So you're saying give Rex a top GM, a great OC and a Top 15 QB and he'll be successful? You realize I could say the same for just about every coach out there, right?
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Post by Hotman on Apr 5, 2015 19:30:40 GMT -5
I could hear Rex leading their fans chanting this to the tune of "No Justice, No Peace" on gameday every once in a while.
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