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Post by jets.penguin on Apr 9, 2015 8:48:21 GMT -5
The problem with taking Mariota at pick 2-6 is that if you take a pick that high he is expected to play and contribute at some point THIS YEAR. IMO a lot of teams are not willing to take a pick this high knowing full well he is a project and wont be ready for 1-2 years. That would have to be a team (like the jets and tennessee) that have a solid enough team that can be middle of the road for now and when he is ready to take over can put them over the top in a year or so.
Look at the teams whose names have been connected with Mariota and if they match this scenario:
Redskins- No placeholder (RGIII my ass) are at least 2 years away from serious contention and have a suspect HC
Philly- Fits the scenario but a trade would be costly. Kelly just might be serious about keeping Bradford.
Cleveland- NO QB period. Mariota would have to start almost immediately and that would be a disaster.
Bears- Trading up wouldn't be cost prohibitive IF they could include Cutler but who wants him with that contract? and attitude
Houston- Hoyer? Mallett? Savage? They pick 16 and could be a sleeper for a trade. The QB's at the top of their roster are the definition of place holders.
I dont advocate picking him at 6 for us, I'd rather trade down and grab a lineman. However we do have exactly the kind of scenario that I described.
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Post by Peebag on Apr 9, 2015 9:06:36 GMT -5
Geno Smith, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Matt Simms.
If MM is there at 6, for fuck sakes draft him.
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Post by joepnyj1 on Apr 9, 2015 9:10:10 GMT -5
Geno Smith, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Matt Simms. If MM is there at 6, for fuck sakes draft him. Agreed...but if a team like Cleveland made an outlandish offer for him I think Mac will need to consider it. This is a good problem to have IMO.
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Post by JonEJet on Apr 9, 2015 9:17:40 GMT -5
Geno Smith, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Matt Simms. If MM is there at 6, for fuck sakes draft him. Agreed...but if a team like Cleveland made an outlandish offer for him I think Mac will need to consider it. This is a good problem to have IMO. Why would The Browns offer the deal to The Jets, a team in need of a QB Wouldn't The Browns offer picks to Tenn, Jax, Oak, or even Washington to get in front of this QB needy team? Thinking The Jets are going to magically walk into a draft day deal is far fetched....I think this is why Macc is making sure we have all positions covered heading into the draft
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Post by jets.penguin on Apr 9, 2015 9:17:53 GMT -5
Geno Smith, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Matt Simms. If MM is there at 6, for fuck sakes draft him. lol is our situation that bad? I think with the work we have done on defense we are one of the teams that can afford to take this risk.
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Post by jets.penguin on Apr 9, 2015 9:21:01 GMT -5
Agreed...but if a team like Cleveland made an outlandish offer for him I think Mac will need to consider it. This is a good problem to have IMO. Why would The Browns offer the deal to The Jets, a team in need of a QB Wouldn't The Browns offer picks to Tenn, Jax, Oak, or even Washington to get in front of this QB needy team? Thinking The Jets are going to magically walk into a draft day deal is far fetched....I think this is why Macc is making sure we have all positions covered heading into the draft thats true and in that case I think Washington is the easiest spot for a trade. Despite their QB issues they gave up a lot for him and this would be a good chance to recoup some picks. Macc's moves are making me a little nervous that they are not blowing smoke and may be willing to move up. I can see cleveland making us an offer if the teams above us asking price is just too high.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Apr 9, 2015 9:24:47 GMT -5
Why does a team have to start Mariota from day one if they draft him? If he needs time, can't start from day one he sits, plain and simple. They're no worse starting someone they have on the roster while MM is learning than they would be if they didn't draft a QB.
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Post by rexneffect on Apr 9, 2015 9:32:22 GMT -5
The problem with taking Mariota at pick 2-6 is that if you take a pick that high he is expected to play and contribute at some point THIS YEAR. Why? The coaching staff doesn't have to have that expectation. Who gives a shit what impatient fans think.
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Post by jets.penguin on Apr 9, 2015 9:35:02 GMT -5
Why does a team have to start Mariota from day one if they draft him? If he needs time, can't start from day one he sits, plain and simple. They're no worse starting someone they have on the roster while MM is learning than they would be if they didn't draft a QB. I dont necessarily disagree with you but that's just not the way it is in the NFL. If you are drafted in the 1st round you are expected to be a starter or at least have an impact your first year. As a QB unfortunately you cant platoon like other positions so that the fan base can get a glimpse of your potential. Every bad pass errant throw or questionable action will be a cry to throw MM in ready or not. You've been around long enough to know that this fan base isnt actually known for it's patience......or memory.
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Post by jets.penguin on Apr 9, 2015 9:36:37 GMT -5
The problem with taking Mariota at pick 2-6 is that if you take a pick that high he is expected to play and contribute at some point THIS YEAR. Why? The coaching staff doesn't have to have that expectation. Who gives a shit what impatient fans think.
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Post by joepnyj1 on Apr 9, 2015 9:39:17 GMT -5
Agreed...but if a team like Cleveland made an outlandish offer for him I think Mac will need to consider it. This is a good problem to have IMO. Why would The Browns offer the deal to The Jets, a team in need of a QB Wouldn't The Browns offer picks to Tenn, Jax, Oak, or even Washington to get in front of this QB needy team? Thinking The Jets are going to magically walk into a draft day deal is far fetched....I think this is why Macc is making sure we have all positions covered heading into the draft I get it genius thanks...but there is the very small probability that he does fall to 6 and the Jets might be tempted to contact teams like Cleveland if they feel Mariotta is not what they are looking for. Again small probability but not impossible. Also lets not forget the Bears.
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Post by CTJetsFanII on Apr 9, 2015 9:58:40 GMT -5
Why would The Browns offer the deal to The Jets, a team in need of a QB Wouldn't The Browns offer picks to Tenn, Jax, Oak, or even Washington to get in front of this QB needy team? Thinking The Jets are going to magically walk into a draft day deal is far fetched....I think this is why Macc is making sure we have all positions covered heading into the draft I get it genius thanks...but there is the very small probability that he does fall to 6 and the Jets might be tempted to contact teams like Cleveland if they feel Mariotta is not what they are looking for. Again small probability but not impossible. That's the $100k question. We don't know a) what the coaches and FO think of Mariota after the private workout and b) we don't know how they think he compares to the other QBs in this draft
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Post by yankeejet22 on Apr 9, 2015 11:24:59 GMT -5
Bullshit. It's absolutely ok to sit him for 10 games to a year.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Apr 9, 2015 11:48:31 GMT -5
Why does a team have to start Mariota from day one if they draft him? If he needs time, can't start from day one he sits, plain and simple. They're no worse starting someone they have on the roster while MM is learning than they would be if they didn't draft a QB. I dont necessarily disagree with you but that's just not the way it is in the NFL. If you are drafted in the 1st round you are expected to be a starter or at least have an impact your first year. As a QB unfortunately you cant platoon like other positions so that the fan base can get a glimpse of your potential. Every bad pass errant throw or questionable action will be a cry to throw MM in ready or not. You've been around long enough to know that this fan base isnt actually known for it's patience......or memory. Don't think it's that way today. It used to be true before the rookie salary scale. Not the case where a top pick who's a QB gets 45 million plus and takes up so much cap room that he has to play. Jets could draft Mariota and he'll be paid the same as any other choice at that spot. Doesn't have to start
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Post by Touchable on Apr 9, 2015 11:52:40 GMT -5
LOL
Why do a lot of people assume that the Jets would rush Mariota just because they're in the NY market?
Mac and Bowles are on their honeymoon this year. They aren't on even the longest of leashes. They're roaming free and grazing in the fucking sun until 2016.
So what's this silly shit I keep hearing about how we would rush him into action, despite having a longtime vet in Fitz and a young vet in Geno who's only entering his 3rd year?
This isn't a case of dafting a young QB and only having Brett Ratliff, Kellen Clemens or Matt Simms as his chief competition. The Jets absolutely have the flexibility to sit Mariota for a year.
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