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Post by crossfire on Apr 27, 2015 10:19:22 GMT -5
Brian Custer @bcustertv 2h2 hours ago After talking with Mike Maccagnan, I think the #jets will trade down if Mariota or Cooper doesn't fall to them. Mac has been talking in riddles... just as he should be. He hasn't tipped his hand on what he wants to do. He has said he is checking out what it would cost to move up and said that he also likes the idea of moving back and getting more picks. He has said he also believes in picking the best player available but need can come into play. But also that picking a player by need is generally not a good idea. He is doing his due diligence and will work the draft top the best of his abilities. Lets just hope his abilities and instincts are good. I'm optimistic because because of how he's handled things so far. Time will tell. In the mean time, he's throwing bones to the beat writers and lets them try to read the tea leaves. It's the disinformation that teams put out that makes the draft so incredible.
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Post by JetBidi on Apr 27, 2015 12:17:51 GMT -5
Didn't realize we had a "host of roster needs." So glad PFT pointed that out for me. Where do they get this stuff? Mac positioned us to take BPA @ 6 with his moves in free agency.
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Post by jetstream23 on Apr 27, 2015 12:22:28 GMT -5
Brian Custer @bcustertv 2h2 hours ago After talking with Mike Maccagnan, I think the #jets will trade down if Mariota or Cooper doesn't fall to them. I also think that's why they've been doing so much homework on the top 15 candidates. The Mac will actively offer up #6 for a good price to recoup picks. The dream scenario is trading back 5-6 spots and taking Parker, then trading up a few later for Ray. ...at this point, we might be spot for a Girlie trade. +1 The #12 area is a pretty sweet spot in my opinion. I can easily find 12 players I'd like at that spot. Once we're out of the Top 10 I get much more comfortable with positions other than QB, WR, and DE/OLB. We start to let RB, OLine enter the value equation....we move on the next WRs (other than White, Cooper) and I can stomach if we move into that second group of DE/OLB (other than Fowler, Beasley, etc.) The other thing is that someone seems to always make a boneheaded pick or make a reach earlier than you expect. It happens all the time and that simply pushes another player down within reach of the Jets if we're at 12. I could see a team that is desperate for a DB or OT take one earlier than they should. By sucking a guy like Landon Collins or Andrus Peat into the Top 12 that helps everyone picking just afterwards. I'd love the #12 spot if it brought us an additional 2nd or 3rd round pick. At #12 we could be talking Todd Gurly, Davante Parker, or Shane Ray.
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Post by jetstream23 on Apr 27, 2015 12:28:28 GMT -5
Brian Custer @bcustertv 2h2 hours ago After talking with Mike Maccagnan, I think the #jets will trade down if Mariota or Cooper doesn't fall to them. Mac has been talking in riddles... just as he should be. He hasn't tipped his hand on what he wants to do. He has said he is checking out what it would cost to move up and said that he also likes the idea of moving back and getting more picks. He has said he also believes in picking the best player available but need can come into play. But also that picking a player by need is generally not a good idea. He is doing his due diligence and will work the draft top the best of his abilities. Lets just hope his abilities and instincts are good. I'm optimistic because because of how he's handled things so far. Time will tell. In the mean time, he's throwing bones to the beat writers and lets them try to read the tea leaves. It's the disinformation that teams put out that makes the draft so incredible. Agree with that 100%. If you have two players on the board, one rated 88 and the other 89 on a 100 point scale, then I'd take the player at the position you need more. In other words, you should use need as mostly a tie-breaker when you have two players rated almost exactly the same. For example, I'd probably take an OLB rated 88 over a CB rated 89 this year.
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Post by Lithfan on Apr 27, 2015 12:45:30 GMT -5
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Post by Touchable on Apr 27, 2015 12:48:27 GMT -5
www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000488264/article/former-rams-qb-coach-ted-tollner-a-believer-in-marcus-mariota?campaign=Twitter_nfl_cfbFormer NFL QB coach Ted Tollner a believer in Marcus MariotaBy Chase Goodbread Published: April 27, 2015 at 11:17 a.m Former NFL quarterback coach Ted Tollner doesn't hear things like "learning curve" and "developmental prospect" when it comes to Oregon quarterback and presumptive first-round draft pick Marcus Mariota. Instead, he trusts what he sees more than what he hears. "I just don't know how he's going to miss," Tollner said, according to utsandiego.com. "There will be a transition period, but I don't see how he can miss. ... If I was still in the league coaching, and ownership or the head coach wanted an opinion from me, I'd be on the table standing and saying this guy has a tremendous future in the NFL." An important disclosure here, as the report noted, is that Tollner's son Bruce is Mariota's agent. And while that might make an objective evaluation difficult for a father whose son has a vested interest in Mariota, Tollner's spent about 15 years around NFL quarterbacks -- he knows what they look and throw like. The biggest concern about Mariota throughout the pre-draft months has been whether he can easily adapt to a pro-style offensive system, which is vastly different from the hurry-up, no-huddle spread attack that the Ducks have used to ring up mind-boggling offensive numbers. For Mariota, those numbers have manifested themselves in the form of a Heisman Trophy, but history hasn't been kind to Heisman Trophy-winning quarterbacks where the NFL is concerned. For that matter, Oregon quarterbacks haven't exactly lit up the NFL, either. Tollner said during his tenure as an NFL assistant, which spanned time with six NFL clubs as a wide receivers coach, quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator, prospect evaluations of quarterbacks focused more on a quarterback's skill set than the offensive system from which he came. And in Mariota, Tollner sees all the skill Mariota will need.
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Post by Paradis on Apr 27, 2015 12:51:04 GMT -5
Worth a skim:
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Post by Paradis on Apr 27, 2015 12:51:57 GMT -5
Never mind. That table didn't paste well on my phone lol
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Apr 27, 2015 14:15:30 GMT -5
Didn't realize we had a "host of roster needs." So glad PFT pointed that out for me. Where do they get this stuff? Mac positioned us to take BPA @ 6 with his moves in free agency. +1 They are such idiots. They just regurgitate six month old conventional wisdom.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Apr 27, 2015 14:17:25 GMT -5
Never mind. That table didn't paste well on my phone lol LOL Hard to read
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Post by vicmill on Apr 27, 2015 14:31:49 GMT -5
I also think that's why they've been doing so much homework on the top 15 candidates. The Mac will actively offer up #6 for a good price to recoup picks. The dream scenario is trading back 5-6 spots and taking Parker, then trading up a few later for Ray. ...at this point, we might be spot for a Girlie trade. +1 The #12 area is a pretty sweet spot in my opinion. I can easily find 12 players I'd like at that spot. Once we're out of the Top 10 I get much more comfortable with positions other than QB, WR, and DE/OLB. We start to let RB, OLine enter the value equation....we move on the next WRs (other than White, Cooper) and I can stomach if we move into that second group of DE/OLB (other than Fowler, Beasley, etc.) The other thing is that someone seems to always make a boneheaded pick or make a reach earlier than you expect. It happens all the time and that simply pushes another player down within reach of the Jets if we're at 12. I could see a team that is desperate for a DB or OT take one earlier than they should. By sucking a guy like Landon Collins or Andrus Peat into the Top 12 that helps everyone picking just afterwards. I'd love the #12 spot if it brought us an additional 2nd or 3rd round pick. At #12 we could be talking Todd Gurly, Davante Parker, or Shane Ray. Problem is it's often been the Jets making the boneheaded pick.
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Post by MDL JET on Apr 27, 2015 16:00:23 GMT -5
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Post by Lithfan on Apr 27, 2015 16:14:44 GMT -5
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Post by MDL JET on Apr 27, 2015 16:28:37 GMT -5
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Post by Hotman on Apr 27, 2015 16:48:16 GMT -5
That's probably the next best scenario, honestly. Hope that either Mariota or Cooper fall to #6...or trade back into the 10-12 range with someone high on a kid like White, pick up an extra 2nd and maybe a 4th and take a guy like Girlie, Parker or Scherff. IF we get back to 12, I really hope we get Gurley but I don't think he will be there. Atl will fuck everything up.
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