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Post by HawkeyeJet on Apr 30, 2015 23:49:50 GMT -5
First off, this may have been covered elsewhere, sorry if it's a repeat discussion.
Secondly, I am not trying to disparage anyone's opinion or imply that mine is any more valuable than anyone elses.
With that said, for those upset with the Williams pick, especially at the expense of White, please point me in the direction of a consistent winning football team with the Fantasy Football type WR corp?
Recent history shows that this actually doesn't improve a teams overall situation like many of us fans sometimes think. Did the Falcons get over the hump by adding Julio Jones to an already good offense? No. Are the Lions a legitimate threat with spending all that money on Golden Tage to go with Calvin Johnson? No. How were the Bucs with their amazing WRs and holes everywhere else? Hell even the Packers, with the best WR corp in the league to go along with the best QB in the league still continue to fall short.
I'm not saying we shouldn't strive for a balanced team, of course we should, but adding Willians makes us a better team than adding Kevin White would have. There is no doubt in my mind. Williams was not my ideal pick going into the draft, but he is an elite talent, possibly the best in the draft.
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Post by Paradis on Apr 30, 2015 23:52:48 GMT -5
To me, having Coples on the roster ought to have made Williams an after thought.
I wasn't pissed about White, in fact i didn't want him there. Parker would have been nice, but I would have taken Gurley in a heartbeat.
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Post by Touchable on Apr 30, 2015 23:53:00 GMT -5
Agreed
Add a DGB or Strong tomorrow and I think even the biggest Williams detractors will have to agree that this has been a homerun draft so far.
Grabbing one of the top receivers left and then add a RB or OL in the 3rd would be amazing.
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Post by RageATL on Apr 30, 2015 23:54:43 GMT -5
To me, having Coples on the roster ought to have made Williams an after thought. I wasn't pissed about White, in fact i didn't want him there. Parker would have been nice, but I would have taken Gurley in a heartbeat. Gurley at 6? You're on drugs.
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Post by Paradis on Apr 30, 2015 23:58:00 GMT -5
To me, having Coples on the roster ought to have made Williams an after thought. I wasn't pissed about White, in fact i didn't want him there. Parker would have been nice, but I would have taken Gurley in a heartbeat. Gurley at 6? You're on drugs. Ya, cause he went 10th, such a fucking stretch that i'm going to check myself into a clinic.
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Post by RageATL on May 1, 2015 0:03:12 GMT -5
Gurley at 6? You're on drugs. Ya, cause he went 10th, such a fucking stretch that i'm going to check myself into a clinic. Given what was on the board at the time, yeah I think Gurley would have been a reach at 6...we got lucky Williams dropped that far and we hopped on him.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on May 1, 2015 0:05:06 GMT -5
To me, having Coples on the roster ought to have made Williams an after thought. I wasn't pissed about White, in fact i didn't want him there. Parker would have been nice, but I would have taken Gurley in a heartbeat. Trying to be civil here, but I guess I don't get the logic that Gurley at 6 would have been good but Williams isn't? It's not as if Ivory and Ridley are scrubs. Our running game can be very good next year with the backs we have. Now on the DL, we have 2 flat out studs, so not saying our RBs as a group compare. However, it's not as if Harrison and Coples are upper echelon. Snacks is a solid player, but he's essentially a 1.5 down player in today's NFL. Coples has flashed, but has been up and down so far. I think you could argue we improved our DL with Williams as much as we would have our running game with Gurley.
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Post by Paradis on May 1, 2015 0:06:18 GMT -5
Ya, cause he went 10th, such a fucking stretch that i'm going to check myself into a clinic. Given what was on the board at the time, yeah I think Gurley would have been a reach at 6...we got lucky Williams dropped that far and we hopped on him. No no, you said drugs. Like the next fucking jim brown was the musings of a madman. Gurley was every bit a legitimate possibility. ANd i'd argue it was the opposite of lucky. We got stuck with a guy who has top 5 talent at a position we are LOADED at. That's not luck, that's Jets luck. So next year, if the best DT is on hte board, you're OK with taking him too?
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Post by Paradis on May 1, 2015 0:10:43 GMT -5
To me, having Coples on the roster ought to have made Williams an after thought. I wasn't pissed about White, in fact i didn't want him there. Parker would have been nice, but I would have taken Gurley in a heartbeat. Trying to be civil here, but I guess I don't get the logic that Gurley at 6 would have been good but Williams isn't? It's not as if Ivory and Ridley are scrubs. Our running game can be very good next year with the backs we have. Now on the DL, we have 2 flat out studs, so not saying our RBs as a group compare. However, it's not as if Harrison and Coples are upper echelon. Snacks is a solid player, but he's essentially a 1.5 down player in today's NFL. Coples has flashed, but has been up and down so far. I think you could argue we improved our DL with Williams as much as we would have our running game with Gurley. I honestly think if you moved Coples back to his natural position of DT, it's night and day. Hell, put him back at DE even... that's the wildcard in my books - Coples. Him with Richardson and Wilkerson was going to really open things up. If todd bowles, the first i would have said in my interview for the job would have been - well, first things first, Coples is playing on the Dline if i'm your coach. But now what? He's back to OLB? like wth... the only way any of this makes sense is if Bowles is planning on running more 40 fronts than anything else. I can get on board with Williams/Richardson/Wilkerson/Coples... but Wilk/Harrison/Richardson... plus Coples/Williams rotating is moronic.
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Post by RageATL on May 1, 2015 0:27:04 GMT -5
Given what was on the board at the time, yeah I think Gurley would have been a reach at 6...we got lucky Williams dropped that far and we hopped on him. No no, you said drugs. Like the next fucking jim brown was the musings of a madman. Gurley was every bit a legitimate possibility. ANd i'd argue it was the opposite of lucky. We got stuck with a guy who has top 5 talent at a position we are LOADED at. That's not luck, that's Jets luck. So next year, if the best DT is on hte board, you're OK with taking him too? My bad, I should have said drunk. Listen, I'd much rather have an abundance of talent on defense with a guy like Bowles who's recently proven that he can mix it up and wreak havoc on that side of the ball than some nice pieces on offense with Gailey who has been out of the league for 2 years. There's no doubt that Gurley is a stud, but he plays at a position that has been rapidly phased out by the NFL over the past several years. It's arguably gotten to be a "plug and play" spot on offense, so yeah if there's a stud DT out there next year and he's the BPA, I take him either to bolster my defense or make one of my other less productive/more expensive guys expendable.
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Post by BEAC0NJET on May 1, 2015 0:28:38 GMT -5
To me, having Coples on the roster ought to have made Williams an after thought. I wasn't pissed about White, in fact i didn't want him there. Parker would have been nice, but I would have taken Gurley in a heartbeat. Trying to be civil here, but I guess I don't get the logic that Gurley at 6 would have been good but Williams isn't? It's not as if Ivory and Ridley are scrubs. Our running game can be very good next year with the backs we have. Now on the DL, we have 2 flat out studs, so not saying our RBs as a group compare. However, it's not as if Harrison and Coples are upper echelon. Snacks is a solid player, but he's essentially a 1.5 down player in today's NFL. Coples has flashed, but has been up and down so far. I think you could argue we improved our DL with Williams as much as we would have our running game with Gurley. Don't you realize Coples is a stud diamond in the rough just waiting to be moved back to DL and explode? What I think we may see is Harrison playing early downs, with Mo, Sheldon, and Leonard all in on passing downs, all essentially interchangeable.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on May 1, 2015 0:34:24 GMT -5
Trying to be civil here, but I guess I don't get the logic that Gurley at 6 would have been good but Williams isn't? It's not as if Ivory and Ridley are scrubs. Our running game can be very good next year with the backs we have. Now on the DL, we have 2 flat out studs, so not saying our RBs as a group compare. However, it's not as if Harrison and Coples are upper echelon. Snacks is a solid player, but he's essentially a 1.5 down player in today's NFL. Coples has flashed, but has been up and down so far. I think you could argue we improved our DL with Williams as much as we would have our running game with Gurley. Don't you realize Coples is a stud diamond in the rough just waiting to be moved back to DL and explode? What I think we may see is Harrison playing early downs, with Mo, Sheldon, and Leonard all in on passing downs, all essentially interchangeable. I'm not ready to give up on Coples yet. With or DL now, we have the ability to line them up wherever we damn well please and exploit match ups. The Jets basically can do on their DL what NFL offenses do with their WRs. None of them(outside of Snacks) is bolted down to one spot on the line. The potential of what they can do schematically as a 4 person pass rush is truly mind boggling.
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Post by Paradis on May 1, 2015 0:34:37 GMT -5
Trying to be civil here, but I guess I don't get the logic that Gurley at 6 would have been good but Williams isn't? It's not as if Ivory and Ridley are scrubs. Our running game can be very good next year with the backs we have. Now on the DL, we have 2 flat out studs, so not saying our RBs as a group compare. However, it's not as if Harrison and Coples are upper echelon. Snacks is a solid player, but he's essentially a 1.5 down player in today's NFL. Coples has flashed, but has been up and down so far. I think you could argue we improved our DL with Williams as much as we would have our running game with Gurley. Don't you realize Coples is a stud diamond in the rough just waiting to be moved back to DL and explode? What I think we may see is Harrison playing early downs, with Mo, Sheldon, and Leonard all in on passing downs, all essentially interchangeable. I'm not kidding man, Coples killed it at DT in college. Like best defensive player in NCAA... Played well at DE too. The fact that Rex played him at OLB speaks to how disillusion he was about his "schemings" at times.
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Post by Aussie Jet on May 1, 2015 0:34:36 GMT -5
Harrison signed his tender yesterday; is that just a one year contract for him? Depth at any position can evaporate pretty quick in the age of a salary cap and 53 men on the active roster.
Pure speculation, but if it came down to a choice between Cooper and Williams, Mac could have easily gone with Cooper, but with the Raiders taking Cooper, it was either Williams or a trade down and he didn't believe that the value of a trade down exceeded the value of taking possibly the best player in the draft.
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Post by JetBidi on May 1, 2015 0:42:51 GMT -5
I'm not kidding man, Coples killed it at DT in college. Like best defensive player in NCAA... Played well at DE too. The fact that Rex played him at OLB speaks to how disillusion he was about his "schemings" at times. Then why not line up Williams/Richardson/Coples (Harrison rotating/Wilkerson.
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