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Post by Paradis on May 1, 2015 0:45:50 GMT -5
I'm not kidding man, Coples killed it at DT in college. Like best defensive player in NCAA... Played well at DE too. The fact that Rex played him at OLB speaks to how disillusion he was about his "schemings" at times. Then why not line up Williams/Richardson/Coples (Harrison rotating/Wilkerson. I'm sure there's ways to rotate them but it's painfully obvious in my eyes, that we ought to be playing in more 4 man fronts
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on May 1, 2015 0:47:15 GMT -5
So what you are saying is a highly rated DL is more valuable/productive than an equally highly rated WR? I'm not sure what your point is? No point in drafting WR's high? We've had that for a while now, doesn't seem to be working too well.
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Post by JetBidi on May 1, 2015 0:49:14 GMT -5
I'm sure there's ways to rotate them but it's painfully obvious in my eyes, that we ought to be playing in more 4 man fronts That's what I was saying. 4 man front: Williams/Richardson/Coples/Wilkerson with Harrison rotating in for Coples.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on May 1, 2015 0:51:01 GMT -5
So what you are saying is a highly rated DL is more valuable/productive than an equally highly rated WR? I'm not sure what your point is? No point in drafting WR's high? We've had that for a while now, doesn't seem to be working too well. They weren't equally highly rated for 1. And that's exactly what I'm saying. A great defensive lineman is worth more than a great WR. If you disagree, then we just don't have a lot more to discuss because it's not even much of a debate.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on May 1, 2015 0:59:04 GMT -5
So what you are saying is a highly rated DL is more valuable/productive than an equally highly rated WR? I'm not sure what your point is? No point in drafting WR's high? We've had that for a while now, doesn't seem to be working too well. They weren't equally highly rated for 1. And that's exactly what I'm saying. A great defensive lineman is worth more than a great WR. If you disagree, then we just don't have a lot more to discuss because it's not even much of a debate. Who wasn't equally highly rated, Williams and White? (they weren't actually as far apart as people are making it out to be). Are those the only two people you're discussing? Because it sounds like a philosophical discussion of one position vs another since you mentioned other WR's. And to turn your question around, what addition of a DL has turned a team around to be a consistent winning team, like Julio Jones or AJ Green or Marvin Jones or Calvin Johnson have not.
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Post by Hotman on May 1, 2015 1:05:57 GMT -5
To me, having Coples on the roster ought to have made Williams an after thought. I wasn't pissed about White, in fact i didn't want him there. Parker would have been nice, but I would have taken Gurley in a heartbeat. Know what you mean, I really wanted Gurley somehow and I wouldn't have been mad at 6, because they would have been sold on him... But having Williams right there... It would be SOJ to NOT take him IMO. We are gonna lose some D-line guys, just because everyone will want them and somebody is gonna need to get paid elsewhere at some point. We just kept the D-line solid for the next 10 years IMO. These guys are so fuckin young it's crazy to think about. And I trust Bowles and especially Gailey. I think we may actually see some real offense. Not all world, but with a defense that looks like ours on paper... Smartest move man.
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Post by Hotman on May 1, 2015 1:07:16 GMT -5
I did really want Gurley, I kept hoping we'd jump back and someone would be calling for Williams, but they may have been. Maybe MacCagnan and Bowles wanted him more.
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Post by Hotman on May 1, 2015 1:10:06 GMT -5
To me, having Coples on the roster ought to have made Williams an after thought. I wasn't pissed about White, in fact i didn't want him there. Parker would have been nice, but I would have taken Gurley in a heartbeat. Gurley at 6? You're on drugs. Not at 6. but I don't think many people expected Williams to be there, even the Jets FO. I'm sure they planned for it tho.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on May 1, 2015 1:10:48 GMT -5
They weren't equally highly rated for 1. And that's exactly what I'm saying. A great defensive lineman is worth more than a great WR. If you disagree, then we just don't have a lot more to discuss because it's not even much of a debate. Who wasn't equally highly rated, Williams and White? (they weren't actually as far apart as people are making it out to be). Are those the only two people you're discussing? Because it sounds like a philosophical discussion of one position vs another since you mentioned other WR's. And to turn your question around, what addition of a DL has turned a team around to be a consistent winning team, like Julio Jones or AJ Green or Marvin Jones or Calvin Johnson have not. Seriously, for the love of God, this is exhausting. You can take it however you want, Williams vs White or just the positions in general. DL is more valuable than WR. If player A is a WR and Player B is a DL and they are identically good at their position, player B is more valuable and sought after in the NFL. It is as simple as that. And again, your reading comprehension fails. I said no WR GROUP leads to the big turnaround in teams fortunes. If you asked 32 NFL GMS if they could have an elite DL or an Elite WR corp, how many are taking the WR corp? Next to none. If you would like me to list some DL units that were catalysts to titles, I will, but I'm sure you can probably think of some on your own.
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Post by Hotman on May 1, 2015 1:11:46 GMT -5
Ya, cause he went 10th, such a fucking stretch that i'm going to check myself into a clinic. Given what was on the board at the time, yeah I think Gurley would have been a reach at 6...we got lucky Williams dropped that far and we hopped on him. You should come to Mazzy's sometime man. It's a fun time.
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Post by Hotman on May 1, 2015 1:15:54 GMT -5
To me, having Coples on the roster ought to have made Williams an after thought. I wasn't pissed about White, in fact i didn't want him there. Parker would have been nice, but I would have taken Gurley in a heartbeat. Trying to be civil here, but I guess I don't get the logic that Gurley at 6 would have been good but Williams isn't? It's not as if Ivory and Ridley are scrubs. Our running game can be very good next year with the backs we have. Now on the DL, we have 2 flat out studs, so not saying our RBs as a group compare. However, it's not as if Harrison and Coples are upper echelon. Snacks is a solid player, but he's essentially a 1.5 down player in today's NFL. Coples has flashed, but has been up and down so far. I think you could argue we improved our DL with Williams as much as we would have our running game with Gurley. OH shit I completely forgot about Ridley
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on May 1, 2015 1:17:37 GMT -5
Who wasn't equally highly rated, Williams and White? (they weren't actually as far apart as people are making it out to be). Are those the only two people you're discussing? Because it sounds like a philosophical discussion of one position vs another since you mentioned other WR's. And to turn your question around, what addition of a DL has turned a team around to be a consistent winning team, like Julio Jones or AJ Green or Marvin Jones or Calvin Johnson have not. Seriously, for the love of God, this is exhausting. You can take it however you want, Williams vs White or just the positions in general. DL is more valuable than WR. If player A is a WR and Player B is a DL and they are identically good at their position, player B is more valuable and sought after in the NFL. It is as simple as that. And again, your reading comprehension fails. I said no WR GROUP leads to the big turnaround in teams fortunes. If you asked 32 NFL GMS if they could have an elite DL or an Elite WR corp, how many are taking the WR corp? Next to none. If you would like me to list some DL units that were catalysts to titles, I will, but I'm sure you can probably think of some on your own. gee, so sorry that trying to have a conversation on a topic you started is so exhausting to you. just ignore it if it's so difficult. And as far as my comprehension, you're the one that seems to be switching back and forth between discussing individuals and "units".
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Post by Hotman on May 1, 2015 1:19:35 GMT -5
Given what was on the board at the time, yeah I think Gurley would have been a reach at 6...we got lucky Williams dropped that far and we hopped on him. No no, you said drugs. Like the next fucking jim brown was the musings of a madman. Gurley was every bit a legitimate possibility. ANd i'd argue it was the opposite of lucky. We got stuck with a guy who has top 5 talent at a position we are LOADED at. That's not luck, that's Jets luck. So next year, if the best DT is on hte board, you're OK with taking him too? Dude I felt the exact same way. Fuckin Jets luck. We were smart to take it tho IMO. We'll see in a few years won't we? Unless he turns into another Sheldon Richardson type and then your Offense is fucked. Try to throw on Revis and the rest of that group. We have such a complete Defense and this dude I'm sure opens so many possibilities we have the potential to win a SB if we can hang onto the damn ball.
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Post by Hotman on May 1, 2015 1:20:09 GMT -5
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Post by HawkeyeJet on May 1, 2015 1:26:49 GMT -5
Seriously, for the love of God, this is exhausting. You can take it however you want, Williams vs White or just the positions in general. DL is more valuable than WR. If player A is a WR and Player B is a DL and they are identically good at their position, player B is more valuable and sought after in the NFL. It is as simple as that. And again, your reading comprehension fails. I said no WR GROUP leads to the big turnaround in teams fortunes. If you asked 32 NFL GMS if they could have an elite DL or an Elite WR corp, how many are taking the WR corp? Next to none. If you would like me to list some DL units that were catalysts to titles, I will, but I'm sure you can probably think of some on your own. gee, so sorry that trying to have a conversation on a topic you started is so exhausting to you. just ignore it if it's so difficult. And as far as my comprehension, you're the one that seems to be switching back and forth between discussing individuals and "units". I'm not. Your reading comprehension is terrible. That's the situation. The players mentioned obviously are a part of a unit and that was the context in all of my posts until you inquired if I was implying a singular DL was more valuable than a singular WR, which I responded to. It's not exhausting talking about the subject. It's exhausting talking to you about it. For fhe record, a.6 difference in a scouting grade is actually a fairly decent gap. This is why it's exhausting.
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