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Post by carlton on May 1, 2015 1:27:17 GMT -5
Seriously, for the love of God, this is exhausting. You can take it however you want, Williams vs White or just the positions in general. DL is more valuable than WR. If player A is a WR and Player B is a DL and they are identically good at their position, player B is more valuable and sought after in the NFL. It is as simple as that. And again, your reading comprehension fails. I said no WR GROUP leads to the big turnaround in teams fortunes. If you asked 32 NFL GMS if they could have an elite DL or an Elite WR corp, how many are taking the WR corp? Next to none. If you would like me to list some DL units that were catalysts to titles, I will, but I'm sure you can probably think of some on your own. gee, so sorry that trying to have a conversation on a topic you started is so exhausting to you. just ignore it if it's so difficult. And as far as my comprehension, you're the one that seems to be switching back and forth between discussing individuals and "units". Hawkeye get your own girl!
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Post by HawkeyeJet on May 1, 2015 1:30:13 GMT -5
gee, so sorry that trying to have a conversation on a topic you started is so exhausting to you. just ignore it if it's so difficult. And as far as my comprehension, you're the one that seems to be switching back and forth between discussing individuals and "units". Hawkeye get your own girl! It's to late for this, I'm to drunk and sleepy to continue after my last post. I'm going to go throw myself down the stairs. Is VTN really a woman? I always just thought it was a screen name!
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Post by carlton on May 1, 2015 1:40:24 GMT -5
Hawkeye get your own girl! It's to late for this, I'm to drunk and sleepy to continue after my last post. I'm going to go throw myself down the stairs. Is VTN really a woman? I always just thought it was a screen name! I'm equally drunk and I don't have answers, but a man can dream.
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Post by DowNY on May 1, 2015 2:07:22 GMT -5
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Post by RageATL on May 1, 2015 8:17:12 GMT -5
Given what was on the board at the time, yeah I think Gurley would have been a reach at 6...we got lucky Williams dropped that far and we hopped on him. You should come to Mazzy's sometime man. It's a fun time. I would man, but that place just reeks of smoke and I'm not a smoker.
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Post by Touchable on May 1, 2015 8:25:30 GMT -5
They weren't equally highly rated for 1. And that's exactly what I'm saying. A great defensive lineman is worth more than a great WR. If you disagree, then we just don't have a lot more to discuss because it's not even much of a debate. Who wasn't equally highly rated, Williams and White? (they weren't actually as far apart as people are making it out to be). Are those the only two people you're discussing? Because it sounds like a philosophical discussion of one position vs another since you mentioned other WR's. And to turn your question around, what addition of a DL has turned a team around to be a consistent winning team, like Julio Jones or AJ Green or Marvin Jones or Calvin Johnson have not. Reggie White
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Post by MDL JET on May 1, 2015 8:54:29 GMT -5
I think Gurley would have made more of an impact then taking White. A playmaker at RB, I think would have been a huge help to a so-so QB situation.
But either way, it's all on the QB (and oline) to win games. Look at Buffalo. Great Dline didn't get them anywhere. Even the Rams got richer last year adding Donald. What'd that get them? It's all give or take.
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Post by Paradis on May 1, 2015 10:04:39 GMT -5
Time to move on. What's done is done, and we have to look at today...
Alots been made about WRs this and WRs that over this year's and last year's draft.... and I agree that you can't put blinders on and simply draft a WR simply because... but fuck me if we can't make a pick tonight. 2nd or 3rd round. I just don't know how this franchise (devoid of developmental at WR) can come out of the 2014 and 2015 draft without a single respectable pick at WR.
DGB Strong Hardy Lewis Lockett
These guys are all worthy of a pick on friday night.
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Post by TheMo on May 1, 2015 10:12:28 GMT -5
Given what was on the board at the time, yeah I think Gurley would have been a reach at 6...we got lucky Williams dropped that far and we hopped on him. No no, you said drugs. Like the next fucking jim brown was the musings of a madman. Gurley was every bit a legitimate possibility. ANd i'd argue it was the opposite of lucky. We got stuck with a guy who has top 5 talent at a position we are LOADED at. That's not luck, that's Jets luck. So next year, if the best DT is on hte board, you're OK with taking him too? People are forgetting how good Coples was as a rookie 3-4 DE. He played very well. Just like he played his best as a DT in UNC's 4-3, but not as well as a 4-3 DE aka edge rusher. Probably one of the more misused players I have seen during my time as a Jets fan.
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Post by freestater on May 1, 2015 10:13:04 GMT -5
They weren't equally highly rated for 1. And that's exactly what I'm saying. A great defensive lineman is worth more than a great WR. If you disagree, then we just don't have a lot more to discuss because it's not even much of a debate. Who wasn't equally highly rated, Williams and White? (they weren't actually as far apart as people are making it out to be). Are those the only two people you're discussing? Because it sounds like a philosophical discussion of one position vs another since you mentioned other WR's. And to turn your question around, what addition of a DL has turned a team around to be a consistent winning team, like Julio Jones or AJ Green or Marvin Jones or Calvin Johnson have not. I was/am really high on White. Still, when the best player in the draft is sitting there @ 6, I say take him. If Cooper was there, you've got more of a conundrum. With the backfield in the hands of a competent GM, this could be a coup. Someone else said it best, White wasn't going to impact the offense, the way Williams will impact the defense. Add into the equation that a guy like Strong, DGB or Devin Smith will be available @ rd2-pick5, and the upside to both units looks pretty damn good. Imagine if La'el Collins is still sitting there @ 3? That would be unreal.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on May 1, 2015 11:33:53 GMT -5
Who wasn't equally highly rated, Williams and White? (they weren't actually as far apart as people are making it out to be). Are those the only two people you're discussing? Because it sounds like a philosophical discussion of one position vs another since you mentioned other WR's. And to turn your question around, what addition of a DL has turned a team around to be a consistent winning team, like Julio Jones or AJ Green or Marvin Jones or Calvin Johnson have not. I was/am really high on White. Still, when the best player in the draft is sitting there @ 6, I say take him. If Cooper was there, you've got more of a conundrum. With the backfield in the hands of a competent GM, this could be a coup. Someone else said it best, White wasn't going to impact the offense, the way Williams will impact the defense. Add into the equation that a guy like Strong, DGB or Devin Smith will be available @ rd2-pick5, and the upside to both units looks pretty damn good. Imagine if La'el Collins is still sitting there @ 3? That would be unreal. That's all good until you get to the part consoling ourselves with the WR we're getting in Round 2. They're not taking DBG and one or the other of the two will be gone. They're probably going to take an OL
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Post by jetstream23 on May 1, 2015 16:06:25 GMT -5
What about the longterm view on the WR position in the NFL?
This is shaping up to be the second year in a row with an excellent crop of 10-20 WRs. You can't add 30 WRs to the NFL in just two years and then not expect that to push some other guys out of the league or devalue them. The WR strategy could be to trade for guys who are now in the 3rd or 4th year, or make future Brandon Marshall type deals. The WR talent is simply amazing in such a short time. Too much supply? Lower prices in terms of $ or draft picks for trading?
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Post by Hotman on May 1, 2015 16:16:39 GMT -5
You should come to Mazzy's sometime man. It's a fun time. I would man, but that place just reeks of smoke and I'm not a smoker. It's non-smoking. Always has been
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on May 1, 2015 16:17:09 GMT -5
Who wasn't equally highly rated, Williams and White? (they weren't actually as far apart as people are making it out to be). Are those the only two people you're discussing? Because it sounds like a philosophical discussion of one position vs another since you mentioned other WR's. And to turn your question around, what addition of a DL has turned a team around to be a consistent winning team, like Julio Jones or AJ Green or Marvin Jones or Calvin Johnson have not. Reggie White Bruce Smith Atlanta became a winner before Julio Jones. Not because of him.
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Post by Augustiniak on May 1, 2015 16:19:38 GMT -5
What about the longterm view on the WR position in the NFL? This is shaping up to be the second year in a row with an excellent crop of 10-20 WRs. You can't add 30 WRs to the NFL in just two years and then not expect that to push some other guys out of the league or devalue them. The WR strategy could be to trade for guys who are now in the 3rd or 4th year, or make future Brandon Marshall type deals. The WR talent is simply amazing in such a short time. Too much supply? Lower prices in terms of $ or draft picks for trading? I agree they go OT in the 2nd, but if the guys they like at this position are gone, I can see them trading back.
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