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Post by Paradis on May 3, 2015 13:41:40 GMT -5
So long as none of you homos think he's starting in 2015, then yes, it's a promising piece of the future puzzle and identity of this franchise.
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Post by rexneffect on May 3, 2015 14:29:39 GMT -5
No reason Petty sees the field as a starter unless somehow the season has shit the bed and the staff wants to give him some experience late in the season. This is a new opportunity, and a pretty good one at that, to develop a rookie QB that might be the face of the offense for a while.
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Post by jetstream23 on May 3, 2015 15:29:53 GMT -5
Some food for thought - lets say Geno ends up at QB this year and ends up playing fairly well with all the pieces around him, maybe even making a decent playoff run. Do we still try to get Petty in there? Would a QB competition be the right move or is that just regressing back to the Rex way of thinking? Would be an interesting scenario, honestly a good problem to have. No. If we're getting good QBing from Geno somehow and the Jets make the playoffs then we keep developing Petty and I think he elevates to the backup in 2016. We don't bring back Fitzpatrick. By the way, this would be a nice problem to have. What IF petty shows he can play right away why force him to sit ? If he out performs our current qbs, though it's unlikely geno and fitz are experienced nfl qbs. I wanna see this guy do good he has potential . Then he will play. Guys, this isn't rocket science. We have two experienced by very average (at best) QBs on the roster in Geno and Fitz. We know what Fitz is.....and we mostly know what Geno is although this will be his 3rd year in the League, he has a new OC in Gailey, and the best set of weapons he's had so far in his career. So I think there's still upside for Geno. But look, whoever plays best will play. I don't think there are favorites here yet amongst the coaching staff. Bowles wants to win and with our defense the starting QB job may simply go to the guy that Bowles feels "won''t fuck up the most and give the game away." Again, if that's Petty I think he'll see the field but Bryce needs a lot of work. There's a reason why several QB-needy teams didn't touch him before Round 4. If people thought he was a possible Year 1 starter then you would think he would at least have a 3rd round pick used on him. |
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Post by Yankees45 on May 3, 2015 17:12:37 GMT -5
Well we'll see only time can tell , can't wait for camp, I just hope Bowles doesn't give geno every rep and let everyone fight it out , who ever does the best plays, I'm hoping we caught lightning in a bottle with petty, he doesn't have a noodle arm and he has a great tape.
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Post by rangerous on May 4, 2015 5:33:13 GMT -5
i'm no genot fan but if he plays well then he should get the job. and if the team performs pretty well and gets to the playoffs then he should probably enter the next season as the starter. the only concern is that bowles remains objective about the people he puts on the field and we don't see another sanchez deal where there is no camp competition and the qb is anointed. genot will be coming off his rookie contract in a couple of seasons and at that time they will need to take a good hard look at him to see if he is worth the money he will want.
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Post by monsterxman on May 4, 2015 6:41:48 GMT -5
Petty won't be ready. His knowledge of playing qb is about where a highschool qb is right now. He's a long term project with 1st round physical attributes.
Geno who everyone likes to beat up for not knowing how to play the position was much further along when he entered the league. If you're expecting Petty to start, then prepare to be disappointed.
This is one of the reasons I wanted Grayson... I think he could have stepped in right away.
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Post by sec.101row23 on May 4, 2015 6:53:58 GMT -5
Petty won't be ready. His knowledge of playing qb is about where a highschool qb is right now. He's a long term project with 1st round physical attributes. Geno who everyone likes to beat up for not knowing how to play the position was much further along when he entered the league. If you're expecting Petty to start, then prepare to be disappointed. This is one of the reasons I wanted Grayson... I think he could have stepped in right away. Petty isn't a long term project, Brandon Bridge is a long term project. I don't expect Petty to seriously compete for any playing time this year, but by next year he will be in the discussion. Petty turns 24 this month, he isn't going to need to sit and learn for 3 years before he is ready. Plus, I'm not sure how you can say Geno was so much further along when he came out of college, both came from spread offenses, both sat in the shotgun 99.9% of the time and both played in offenses where reads were determined primarily pre-snap. |
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Post by Augustiniak on May 4, 2015 8:26:34 GMT -5
maybe someone can help explain something to me. compare mariotta with petty. both played in college-type offenses and put up real nice stats. both have nice size and nice arms. both can run, though mariotta is faster, though according to gruden, petty is the best thrower in the draft. why is it that mariotta is worth the 2nd pick when the experts say he should ideally 'sit and learn' for a year, while petty is a project who needs 2 years to sit and learn and may never be a starter? if they both mastered these college offenses but have little tape on how they project as pros, why is one considered so much better than the other?
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Post by BEAC0NJET on May 4, 2015 8:31:05 GMT -5
Pettys neither a day one starter to me, nor a long term project. Physically he looks ready, give him a year on the bench and in meetings and practice to learn and develop, and you've got a nice potential starting QB.
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Post by Touchable on May 4, 2015 9:02:12 GMT -5
Petty won't be ready. His knowledge of playing qb is about where a highschool qb is right now. He's a long term project with 1st round physical attributes. Geno who everyone likes to beat up for not knowing how to play the position was much further along when he entered the league. If you're expecting Petty to start, then prepare to be disappointed. This is one of the reasons I wanted Grayson... I think he could have stepped in right away. Petty isn't a long term project, Brandon Bridge is a long term project. I don't expect Petty to seriously compete for any playing time this year, but by next year he will be in the discussion. Petty turns 24 this month, he isn't going to need to sit and learn for 3 years before he is ready. Plus, I'm not sure how you can say Geno was so much further along when he came out of college, both came from spread offenses, both sat in the shotgun 99.9% of the time and both played in offenses where reads were determined primarily pre-snap. This Petty is going to have a bit of a learning curve, but I don't even think it's as steep as many are making it out to be. And the reason I say that is because I really think a lot of people are undervaluing the addition of Chan Gailey. I think it's virtually guaranteed that Gailey is going to incorporate his version of the spread. Not a bunch of read option jargon, but I think you'll see a lot of 3 and 4 wide sets to spread out the defense and get the ball out of the QB's hands quickly. This isn't going to be some complex west coast offense where we're asking the QB to go through multiple reads. Imagine those empty backfield, 4 wide sets with Marshall, Decker, Smith, Kerley and Amaro all on the field at the same time... Petty already comes equipped with a big arm, has the same elite intangible that are on par with Mariota, and I was really surprised as I watched more and more of him over the last few weeks by the touch and anticipation that he already shows, especially on downfield throws. Really the perfect developmental prospect who can really make some noise in Year 2. Both Bowles and Maccagnan have already come out and said that they have no plans to start Petty right away. So unless some catastrophic shit happens like both Geno and Fitz going down for extended time, there's no way Petty sees the field in Year 1. Hell, even if something like that happened, I think the Jets would pick up a vet and continue the plan of developing Petty the proper way. |
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Post by 68JET11 on May 4, 2015 9:13:45 GMT -5
maybe someone can help explain something to me. compare mariotta with petty. both played in college-type offenses and put up real nice stats. both have nice size and nice arms. both can run, though mariotta is faster, though according to gruden, petty is the best thrower in the draft. why is it that mariotta is worth the 2nd pick when the experts say he should ideally 'sit and learn' for a year, while petty is a project who needs 2 years to sit and learn and may never be a starter? if they both mastered these college offenses but have little tape on how they project as pros, why is one considered so much better than the other? I ask the same question. My answer is this. I'm glad the Jets didn't move up for Mariotta, and glad they got Petty. I actually think Petty is the better prospect. He throws a much better ball, has better arm strength, better pocket awareness, better feet, and has one of the prettiest deep balls of any of the QB's that were drafted this year. He's not as fast as Mariotta which is the only downside to the comparison. I'm going out on a limb cause I'm not great football mind, but I think once he starts will be the best QB of this class. I say that depending on o-Line equality for all this years QB's. |
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Post by Chesapeakejet on May 4, 2015 10:05:24 GMT -5
I honestly believe this is the guy the Jets needed to get, he hummed the ball during the combine and "experts" sing his praises as far as football IQ. Very happy. I'm downright giddy with the pick. My oldest goes to Baylor and she and I have been discussing Bryce Petty for over a year. When I found out Saturday the pick was made I called her and said "Guess who the Jets drafted?" and she said "No Way!" and I said "Way!" and we were both giggling like school girls (well she is one, kinda sorta). Petty has his head on straight and has great work ethic and says/does all the right things. I'm still pretty stoked. It's going to be tough for me to root for Geno behind center this fall. Then again it's a win/win for me. Geno does well, Jets win and I'm happy. Geno sucks, Jets don't do well and Petty gets a shot? Then again we may have to endure some Mirer, er I mean Fitzpatrick first. lol |
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Post by CTJetsFanII on May 5, 2015 13:52:49 GMT -5
I've read in some places that historical statistics over the past few years show that a small % (< 10%) of QBs taken in the 4th round (or later) have panned out to anything, so taking Petty in the 4th has a good chance of being a waste. My question is: what if the Jets took him in the 3rd...or 2nd round? Does that mean he automatically would've had a better likelihood to succeed (I know the answer)?
Just seems like a dumb argument to me.
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Post by Harrier on May 5, 2015 14:07:41 GMT -5
I've read in some places that historical statistics over the past few years show that a small % (< 10%) of QBs taken in the 4th round (or later) have panned out to anything, so taking Petty in the 4th has a good chance of being a waste. My question is: what if the Jets took him in the 3rd...or 2nd round? Does that mean he automatically would've had a better likelihood to succeed (I know the answer)? Just seems like a dumb argument to me. It is a dumb argument, what's the % of QB's that pan out in the 5th, 6th or 7th, or undrafted? It might be a small percentage but it doesn't mean it won't happen. |
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Post by Augustiniak on May 5, 2015 14:09:53 GMT -5
I've read in some places that historical statistics over the past few years show that a small % (< 10%) of QBs taken in the 4th round (or later) have panned out to anything, so taking Petty in the 4th has a good chance of being a waste. My question is: what if the Jets took him in the 3rd...or 2nd round? Does that mean he automatically would've had a better likelihood to succeed (I know the answer)? Just seems like a dumb argument to me. It is a dumb argument, what's the % of QB's that pan out in the 5th, 6th or 7th, or undrafted? It might be a small percentage but it doesn't mean it won't happen. and the jets have taken qbs in the first and 2nd rounds, and they haven't panned out. clemens, sanchez, geno. |
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