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Post by Paradis on Sept 28, 2015 16:06:13 GMT -5
Isn't that the dream; that he ascends and matures into a respectable franchise signal caller? That we don't have to continue this charade? I too was disappointed at what happened in the offseason, but is that enough to say "fuck it"...?
I ventured over to Jet Nation to find a wasteland of argument and strife- and was quickly baited into a handful of back-and-forths - and I couldn't get over how many people "want" Fitz to be the guy for the rest of the season.... Why would you hope that a journeyman back up on a 1-year lease keeps his job? The realistic upside is that he manages games, but do we really see that going anywhere in January?
If this year was more of the same (Rex + arbitrary OC), then yea. I'd be praying for a quick death too... But there's new cook in the kitchen, new recipe and new groceries... Aren't we all hoping those pieces put Geno over?
Is it that insane? Or is it more insane to be resting on the laurels of a guy who's 35-56, with a career record of 3-38 against teams that finished better than .500?
I just don't get where everyone's heads are at.
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Post by crossfire on Sept 28, 2015 19:54:46 GMT -5
I say put Geno in if only for the long shot chance that he plays well. Gootz described Fitzpatrick yesterday as a decent game manager and I agree.
I agree because to me, a decent game manager is a shitty QB. Fitz always was and always will be a mediocre QB. Geno probably is too.
Fitz definitely isn't the future and Geno probably isn't. But WTF, let's prove it once and for all. And if he shits the bed, bring Fitzpatrick back in and start planning on who is going to be our future QB.
Fuck I hate always having a shitty QB. I hope Petty learns while he is on the bench and wins the job next season.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Sept 28, 2015 20:07:13 GMT -5
I don't think 8-8 with Fitz is even realistic. Took two games for defenses to figure him out.
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Post by Peebag on Sept 28, 2015 20:10:37 GMT -5
I don't know why everyone's getting so riled up about a qb switch - this isn't a playoff caliber team.
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Post by jcappy on Sept 28, 2015 20:13:42 GMT -5
Starting to sound like an echo chamber from what I've been saying the entire freaking offseason in this place. Better late than never I guess. Let the kid sink or swim. We know and already knew going into this exactly what we had in Fitz - yesterday's game was only a matter of time, might even be a blessing that it happened so early. Even if Geno sucks, so fucking what? Wouldn't you rather know what we could have in our third year 24 year old QB who looked good all offseason and has weapons he has never had before before tossing him to the curb and rolling with the 100% known variable in Fitz?
Feel like it's February all over again.
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Sept 28, 2015 20:19:02 GMT -5
I don't know why everyone's getting so riled up about a qb switch - this isn't a playoff caliber team.That's not why people want to switch QBs. It's about seeing what Geno can finally do with actual WRs. We know what we have with Fitz, and Geno probably isn't much better, but there's a small chance he improves. I'd rather go 8-8 with Geno than 8-8 with Fitz.
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Post by Peebag on Sept 28, 2015 20:27:12 GMT -5
I don't know why everyone's getting so riled up about a qb switch - this isn't a playoff caliber team.That's not why people want to switch teams. It's about seeing what Geno can finally do with actual WRs. We know what we have with Fitz, and Geno probably isn't much better, but there's a small chance he improves. I'd rather go 8-8 with Geno than 8-8 with Fitz. understood
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Post by carlito1171 on Sept 28, 2015 21:03:55 GMT -5
I ventured over to Jet Nation to find a wasteland of argument and strife- and was quickly baited into a handful of back-and-forths - and I couldn't get over how many people "want" Fitz to be the guy for the rest of the season What a fucking Cesspool it is over there! Those tools would rather continue running Fitz out there if he continues to be limited in what we can do, instead of answering the Geno question once and for all because of their own personal biases and shit. Stupidity! Yesterday's game only confirmed what I thought all along. Has nothing to do with "1 game". We have 2 turnover prone liabilities at QB. Play the younger one with the most upside. End of story.
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Post by rangerous on Sept 29, 2015 5:27:13 GMT -5
I ventured over to Jet Nation to find a wasteland of argument and strife- and was quickly baited into a handful of back-and-forths - and I couldn't get over how many people "want" Fitz to be the guy for the rest of the season What a fucking Cesspool it is over there! Those tools would rather continue running Fitz out there if he continues to be limited in what we can do, instead of answering the Geno question once and for all because of their own personal biases and shit. Stupidity! Yesterday's game only confirmed what I thought all along. Has nothing to do with "1 game". We have 2 turnover prone liabilities at QB. Play the younger one with the most upside. End of story. right. there have been an awful lot of comments about what fitz did in the game. well, the special teams gave up the punt return td and marshall's lateral fumble gave the eagles great field position from which they scored. so there's 14 points right there. fitz got the team to score 17 while missing decker and ivory and having a number of receivers who are inexperienced and just not ready for prime time. we all know about how fitz doesn't have a great long ball but he is also capable of putting some good heat on the ball like the td pass to decker the week before. and let's not forget the play calling. imo gailey called too many running plays up the middle. maybe they would've worked with ivory but they weren't working with powell or stacy. is this a playoff team? imo yes it is and to say otherwise really demeans the work the defense has put into their game and their ability. they shut down the browns, colts and eagles in the second half. you can argue "what took them so long to effet adjustments" but even there the eagles got up pretty early. and let's give some credit to the eagle defense. they had really good dline play and their secondary matched up against all of the jets except fr marshall. they'll go to london and pound the doltfins.
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Sept 29, 2015 8:19:26 GMT -5
Isn't that the dream; that he ascends and matures into a respectable franchise signal caller? That we don't have to continue this charade? I too was disappointed at what happened in the offseason, but is that enough to say "fuck it"...? I ventured over to Jet Nation to find a wasteland of argument and strife- and was quickly baited into a handful of back-and-forths - and I couldn't get over how many people "want" Fitz to be the guy for the rest of the season.... Why would you hope that a journeyman back up on a 1-year lease keeps his job? The realistic upside is that he manages games, but do we really see that going anywhere in January? If this year was more of the same (Rex + arbitrary OC), then yea. I'd be praying for a quick death too... But there's new cook in the kitchen, new recipe and new groceries... Aren't we all hoping those pieces put Geno over? Is it that insane? Or is it more insane to be resting on the laurels of a guy who's 35-56, with a career record of 3-38 against teams that finished better than .500? I just don't get where everyone's heads are at. Completely agree. We are wasting time with Fitz. We need to know what geno can do with real weapons now. 3rd year and now with a real O. He really f'd himself with the fight and set himself back, but he's back and supposedly ready so let's roll the dice. If he isn't the answer then we have to move in a different direction. Which may have to be via trade since we r kinda a win now team. Marshall, Cro, revis, brick, mangold, etc aren't getting any younger. But fitz is not and never was going to be our long term answer. Thanks for managing 2-1.
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Post by Trades on Sept 29, 2015 8:27:57 GMT -5
I trust the coaching staff. Chan forgot more football than any one of us knows and he sees these guys day in and day out. If he thinks Fitz is the guy there has to be a reason.
Is Geno more physically gifted? Without a doubt.
Is Fitz more mentally gifted? Absolutely.
So the question is who do the coaches feel gives them the best chance to win? If Fitx keeps throwing picks then you have to put Geno but I don't think you make the change soley based on one bad game without 2 of the top O players on the field.
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Post by Bing© in Buffalo Chairman on Sept 29, 2015 8:28:44 GMT -5
Sorry all...Geno is not the answer to any question...he's had his shot...he sucks.
Fitz is serviceable and we had Ivory and Decker out...
Fitz this year, bye bye Geno in the off season, Bryce Petty starts in 2016.
We won't make the playoffs for a few years until Petty learns and progresses...
But anyone here that still thinks Geno can lead this team is delusional..
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Post by cgjet on Sept 29, 2015 8:36:55 GMT -5
Everyone wants Geno to be good, unfortunately, he's not.
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Post by greenwave on Sept 29, 2015 8:39:48 GMT -5
Isn't that the dream; that he ascends and matures into a respectable franchise signal caller? That we don't have to continue this charade? I too was disappointed at what happened in the offseason, but is that enough to say "fuck it"...? I ventured over to Jet Nation to find a wasteland of argument and strife- and was quickly baited into a handful of back-and-forths - and I couldn't get over how many people "want" Fitz to be the guy for the rest of the season.... Why would you hope that a journeyman back up on a 1-year lease keeps his job? The realistic upside is that he manages games, but do we really see that going anywhere in January? If this year was more of the same (Rex + arbitrary OC), then yea. I'd be praying for a quick death too... But there's new cook in the kitchen, new recipe and new groceries... Aren't we all hoping those pieces put Geno over? Is it that insane? Or is it more insane to be resting on the laurels of a guy who's 35-56, with a career record of 3-38 against teams that finished better than .500? I just don't get where everyone's heads are at. Good post. For me it's simple; we have fans of this team that prefer the guy who has the stats you've highlighted in the bold (and who took SIX YEARS to have a remotely decent season), over a guy who by all accounts was improving going into his third season. Geno has had a couple of really good games, several mediocre performances, and a few outright bombs. You know who that's also true for? Ryan Fitzpatrick. Except Fitzpatrick has many more mediocre performances and outright bombs than Geno does. Yet while we know Fitzpatrick will not get any better and has no long term proposition for this team, people still want to see him under center despite having a young, athletic QB who can make all the throws and would have a strong supporting cast for the first time in his career. You heard Gruden say it on Monday night: "This is the best team that Ryan Fitzpatrick has ever had to work with, and I think he'll do a fine job." Why does Fitzpatrick deserve a shot with "the best team he's ever had to work with" after 10 years of mediocre play (not counting last year) and not Geno?
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Post by greenwave on Sept 29, 2015 8:44:33 GMT -5
Sorry all...Geno is not the answer to any question...he's had his shot...he sucks. Fitz is serviceable and we had Ivory and Decker out... Fitz this year, bye bye Geno in the off season, Bryce Petty starts in 2016. We won't make the playoffs for a few years until Petty learns and progresses... But anyone here that still thinks Geno can lead this team is delusional.. Got it. So QBs only get two years to develop. Doesn't matter who the supporting cast is, once those two years are up, they are who they are. So if Petty hasn't hit an 80+ rating by the end of next year, I assume you'll feel the same way about him....right?
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