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Post by Bing© in Buffalo Chairman on Sept 29, 2015 8:50:04 GMT -5
Sorry all...Geno is not the answer to any question...he's had his shot...he sucks. Fitz is serviceable and we had Ivory and Decker out... Fitz this year, bye bye Geno in the off season, Bryce Petty starts in 2016. We won't make the playoffs for a few years until Petty learns and progresses... But anyone here that still thinks Geno can lead this team is delusional.. Got it. So QBs only get two years to develop. Doesn't matter who the supporting cast is, once those two years are up, they are who they are. So if Petty hasn't hit an 80+ rating by the end of next year, I assume you'll feel the same way about him....right? Won't know for two years....Geno is in year 3, acted like a fuckhead in the locker room and got checked...I'd bet there are few players in the locker room that respect him as a leader. He's not. Sometimes you gotta cut bait. Look at Buffalo now...EJ Manuel will be gone too. The went with Tyrod Taylor who has been learning from the sideline, like Petty is now. Both EJ and Geno are the same guy. Did great in College but the Pro game is too fast and difficult for them both. Done. Move the fuck on.
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Post by greenwave on Sept 29, 2015 8:52:18 GMT -5
I trust the coaching staff. Chan forgot more football than any one of us knows and he sees these guys day in and day out. If he thinks Fitz is the guy there has to be a reason. Is Geno more physically gifted? Without a doubt. Is Fitz more mentally gifted? Absolutely. So the question is who do the coaches feel gives them the best chance to win? If Fitx keeps throwing picks then you have to put Geno but I don't think you make the change soley based on one bad game without 2 of the top O players on the field. I'd like to hear more about these "mental gifts" that Fitzpatrick has. Was it that mental superiority that allowed him to throw more interceptions than touchdowns until his sixth season in the NFL? I do agree with your point on the coaches - if Bowles and Gailey agree to go with Fitz, then that IS an indictment on Geno to a degree. But I'm definitely interested in learning how it is that Fitzpatrick is graded on a different curve than Geno Smith.
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Post by carlito1171 on Sept 29, 2015 8:53:40 GMT -5
What a fucking Cesspool it is over there! Those tools would rather continue running Fitz out there if he continues to be limited in what we can do, instead of answering the Geno question once and for all because of their own personal biases and shit. Stupidity! Yesterday's game only confirmed what I thought all along. Has nothing to do with "1 game". We have 2 turnover prone liabilities at QB. Play the younger one with the most upside. End of story. right. there have been an awful lot of comments about what fitz did in the game. well, the special teams gave up the punt return td and marshall's lateral fumble gave the eagles great field position from which they scored. so there's 14 points right there. fitz got the team to score 17 while missing decker and ivory and having a number of receivers who are inexperienced and just not ready for prime time. we all know about how fitz doesn't have a great long ball but he is also capable of putting some good heat on the ball like the td pass to decker the week before. and let's not forget the play calling. imo gailey called too many running plays up the middle. maybe they would've worked with ivory but they weren't working with powell or stacy. is this a playoff team? imo yes it is and to say otherwise really demeans the work the defense has put into their game and their ability. they shut down the browns, colts and eagles in the second half. you can argue "what took them so long to effet adjustments" but even there the eagles got up pretty early. and let's give some credit to the eagle defense. they had really good dline play and their secondary matched up against all of the jets except fr marshall. they'll go to london and pound the doltfins. My main concern is not necessarily how Fitz has played up to date, but how defenses will play us given the limitations. If Chan doesn't trust fitz's arm enough to have more variety in his playcalling(Ex: playing dink and dunk offense in a 15 yd box), Teams will not stop putting 8-9 defenders in the box making it more and more difficult to run consistently, and sitting on all of the short/intermediate routes. Both QBs have a penchant for turning the ball over, and have holes in their game, but at least with Geno he can loosen the D with his legs and can stretch the field with his arm.....there's a reason why he was clearly ahead prior to having his jaw rearranged....
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Sept 29, 2015 8:54:30 GMT -5
Sorry all...Geno is not the answer to any question...he's had his shot...he sucks. Fitz is serviceable and we had Ivory and Decker out... Fitz this year, bye bye Geno in the off season, Bryce Petty starts in 2016. We won't make the playoffs for a few years until Petty learns and progresses... But anyone here that still thinks Geno can lead this team is delusional.. We won't make the playoffs for a few years??? And who is petty going to be throwing too? Marshall will be retired and decker will be past his prime. Out corners and o-line will be done. We can't wait a few years. But fitz will take us no where and there's a chance geno may with these weapons. Devin smith was a wasted pick with fitz because he can't get him the freakin ball. Fucking jets.
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Post by Bing© in Buffalo Chairman on Sept 29, 2015 8:58:14 GMT -5
Sorry all...Geno is not the answer to any question...he's had his shot...he sucks. Fitz is serviceable and we had Ivory and Decker out... Fitz this year, bye bye Geno in the off season, Bryce Petty starts in 2016. We won't make the playoffs for a few years until Petty learns and progresses... But anyone here that still thinks Geno can lead this team is delusional.. We won't make the playoffs for a few years??? And who is petty going to be throwing too? Marshall will be retired and decker will be past his prime. Out corners and o-line will be done. We can't wait a few years. But fitz will take us no where and there's a chance geno may with these weapons. Devin smith was a wasted pick with fitz because he can't get him the freakin ball. Fucking jets. Its the way it seems to be. I wanted Geno to do well, and progress and learn. He hasn't. Elite QBs are so rare in the game today. The defenses are so quick and the reads must be immediate. I don't think Geno can go thru his reads. He isn't a fast thinking QB. I wish he was, but its clear he's not even a top 20 QB in the NFL.
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Post by greenwave on Sept 29, 2015 9:06:20 GMT -5
Got it. So QBs only get two years to develop. Doesn't matter who the supporting cast is, once those two years are up, they are who they are. So if Petty hasn't hit an 80+ rating by the end of next year, I assume you'll feel the same way about him....right? Won't know for two years....Geno is in year 3, acted like a fuckhead in the locker room and got checked...I'd bet there are few players in the locker room that respect him as a leader. He's not. Sometimes you gotta cut bait. Look at Buffalo now...EJ Manuel will be gone too. The went with Tyrod Taylor who has been learning from the sideline, like Petty is now. Both EJ and Geno are the same guy. Did great in College but the Pro game is too fast and difficult for them both. Done. Move the fuck on. So because Geno was forced into action due to injury in year one, there's no way he can pull a Tyrod Taylor? How well did Taylor play for his first FOUR seasons? And if Taylor was forced into action, would he have been as good then as he is now? I know you can't possibly answer that question, no one can. But we DO know what we have with Ryan fucking Fitzpatrick. And that's a last-resort option. Get this guy out of the lineup and find out what we have at the most important position on the field.
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Post by Fishooked on Sept 29, 2015 9:07:09 GMT -5
I want him to be good but he hasn't been easy to root for.
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Post by Bing© in Buffalo Chairman on Sept 29, 2015 9:12:54 GMT -5
Geno and Fitz are not elite or top 15-20 Qbs...
Perhaps Petty will be...
Sorry guys but only time will tell.
I know it makes for good discussion and ranting, but we're pissing in the wind on this one..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 9:16:35 GMT -5
Ah, dah....................
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Post by Peebag on Sept 29, 2015 9:56:01 GMT -5
well...at some point Geno's gonna be under center - book it.
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Post by jett on Sept 29, 2015 10:23:24 GMT -5
I've seen enough from geno he's garbage. Next
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Post by Trades on Sept 29, 2015 10:42:09 GMT -5
I trust the coaching staff. Chan forgot more football than any one of us knows and he sees these guys day in and day out. If he thinks Fitz is the guy there has to be a reason. Is Geno more physically gifted? Without a doubt. Is Fitz more mentally gifted? Absolutely. So the question is who do the coaches feel gives them the best chance to win? If Fitx keeps throwing picks then you have to put Geno but I don't think you make the change soley based on one bad game without 2 of the top O players on the field. I'd like to hear more about these "mental gifts" that Fitzpatrick has. Was it that mental superiority that allowed him to throw more interceptions than touchdowns until his sixth season in the NFL? I do agree with your point on the coaches - if Bowles and Gailey agree to go with Fitz, then that IS an indictment on Geno to a degree. But I'm definitely interested in learning how it is that Fitzpatrick is graded on a different curve than Geno Smith. Who says he is graded on a different curve? Geno got 2 years and was on his way to a third as a starter until he got his jaw broken. I was rooting for him then and I would root for him again if he were the QB of the Jets again. Fitz worked with Gailey in the past, knows his system, graduated from Harvard, got a perfect score on the wonderlich, didn't get knocked out over $600, and I am sure there is more. All of that gives him an edge. It was his lack of physical skills that causes him trouble as a QB not mental IMO.
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Post by greenwave on Sept 29, 2015 12:09:32 GMT -5
I'd like to hear more about these "mental gifts" that Fitzpatrick has. Was it that mental superiority that allowed him to throw more interceptions than touchdowns until his sixth season in the NFL? I do agree with your point on the coaches - if Bowles and Gailey agree to go with Fitz, then that IS an indictment on Geno to a degree. But I'm definitely interested in learning how it is that Fitzpatrick is graded on a different curve than Geno Smith. Who says he is graded on a different curve? Geno got 2 years and was on his way to a third as a starter until he got his jaw broken. I was rooting for him then and I would root for him again if he were the QB of the Jets again. Fitz worked with Gailey in the past, knows his system, graduated from Harvard, got a perfect score on the wonderlich, didn't get knocked out over $600, and I am sure there is more. All of that gives him an edge. It was his lack of physical skills that causes him trouble as a QB not mental IMO. The "curve" comment relates to the fact that people (many in this thread) say Geno is flat-out done after two bad seasons. You aren't saying that, but others are. Meanwhile, Fitz has been terrible for over a decade (minus the solid year with HOU)...but fans still prefer him to a player that at least still has some sort of upside. It might not be a high upside, but there's potential for upside. Fitz has established his ceiling as game manager who can win when the team is +3 or more in the turnover battle. We should not be accepting that type of play when there's someone on the roster who MIGHT be better right now. Those points highlighted in bold will apply to about 50% of the '16 class in Harvard. If those held true intrinsic value with respect to the QB position, there'd be several more college QBs in the NFL. No matter how smart Fitzpatrick is, no level of intelligence will help him hit a 15-yard out from the opposite hash mark. A QB has to have the requisite physical skills to be impactful at the QB position, regardless of how intelligent they are. Fitz does not. To the point of the thread, all fans should want Geno to come in and play better than he has to date, because that might be fortuitous for the Jets' future. The strange part is that it seems many (not necessarily you) don't even want to give him one more chance to be good. The alternative (beard man) does absolutely nothing for the future of this franchise.
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Post by Stark on Sept 29, 2015 12:13:28 GMT -5
To the thread title, YES - absolutely. That was the hope. That may still be the hope for some-prob not all. He will get to play at some point this season.
However, I have not an ounce of faith in Geno as a player, leader, capable QB. Sure he didn't have the ideal situation his first season but he has shown that he is decent in practice, Great at MIAMI in week 17 when it doesn't matter, and mostly awful when the game is at a critical moment (someone is gonna rattle of the 4th quarter comebacks, Sanchez had those too). Statistically one of the worst over his first 2 seasons and its not like other QB's don't have ideal situations or WR's around them.
Past performance is generally best predictor of future behavior-even if he shows improvement what is the likely ceiling, 20-15th best QB?
Bottom line. We shouldn't have beaten Tennessee and Miami last year (thanks rex) and should have picked Mariota in the draft at 2(I like the Williams pick for where we selected).
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Post by RayRay1 on Sept 29, 2015 12:16:56 GMT -5
Got it. So QBs only get two years to develop. Doesn't matter who the supporting cast is, once those two years are up, they are who they are. So if Petty hasn't hit an 80+ rating by the end of next year, I assume you'll feel the same way about him....right? Won't know for two years....Geno is in year 3, acted like a fuckhead in the locker room and got checked...I'd bet there are few players in the locker room that respect him as a leader. He's not. Sometimes you gotta cut bait. Look at Buffalo now...EJ Manuel will be gone too. The went with Tyrod Taylor who has been learning from the sideline, like Petty is now. Both EJ and Geno are the same guy. Did great in College but the Pro game is too fast and difficult for them both. Done. Move the fuck on. Most 24 yr old QB's are not yet good leaders... Comes with experience.
Geno just started year 3, you gave him two years...
The IK incident is not all Geno, too many are putting the blame on the wrong guy... If Geno were to blame to the level you and others say he was, Bowels would have already done something about it, like he did with IK.
Geno is not EJ, Geno's numbers in college were far superior!
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