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Post by southparkcpa on Dec 15, 2014 20:19:05 GMT -5
Rex got screwed by Idzik twice in a row, what else could you possibly expect him to do? And someone who wants to win more than anything, isn't that the type of person you really want as your coach? Well here is the reality.... Rex has chosen 2 OC's and been through 3, his coaching hires are a shambles. Rex has had 5 1st round picks and resources poured into his Defense. Hes had 2 young QB's that regressed under his guidance. Hes a terrible in game manager. The wildcat and ground and pound ethos has been forced down 3 coordinators throat. Hes sub 500 as a coach. He's missed the playoffs 4 years in a row. He inherited the 09/10 team, he's failed with his input and fingerprints all over the current roster. Theres no accountability for failure, the players run the asylum under him. Most of the dysfunction is a direct result of his mouth. Our offense has been a disaster under him but he forgets he's responsible for both sides of the ball. Need I go on? Look I loved Rex but Idzik is the easy target in all this, same as all the mentioned above scapegoats, Rex is FINALLY responsible for the disaster this team has been over the last 3 years. So yes I do not take kindly to him and his chump team celebrating a disastrous win like they won the SB and achieved something, then calling out the fans for hoping we can find a silver lining in this putrid season him and his team put us through. Enough is enough. Absolutely spot on................. SPOT ON!
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Post by Touchable on Dec 15, 2014 20:34:38 GMT -5
Rex got screwed by Idzik twice in a row, what else could you possibly expect him to do? And someone who wants to win more than anything, isn't that the type of person you really want as your coach? Rex is out of excuses with me, I'm absolutely sick to the back teeth of him and his apologists. Rex has never had a QB. Rex got shafted by Tanny. Rex got shafted by Idzik. Rex does not have good enough DB's Rex does not have enough talent. Well here is the reality.... Rex has chosen 2 OC's and been through 3, his coaching hires are a shambles. Rex has had 5 1st round picks and resources poured into his Defense. Hes had 2 young QB's that regressed under his guidance. Hes a terrible in game manager. The wildcat and ground and pound ethos has been forced down 3 coordinators throat. Hes sub 500 as a coach. He's missed the playoffs 4 years in a row. He inherited the 09/10 team, he's failed with his input and fingerprints all over the current roster. Theres no accountability for failure, the players run the asylum under him. Most of the dysfunction is a direct result of his mouth. Our offense has been a disaster under him but he forgets he's responsible for both sides of the ball. Need I go on? Look I loved Rex but Idzik is the easy target in all this, same as all the mentioned above scapegoats, Rex is FINALLY responsible for the disaster this team has been over the last 3 years. So yes I do not take kindly to him and his chump team celebrating a disastrous win like they won the SB and achieved something, then calling out the fans for hoping we can find a silver lining in this putrid season him and his team put us through. Enough is enough. Exactly Why some fail to realize this and want to latch on to this dickhead just because of his personality or those past AFC Championship games that seem like eons ago...I have no idea.
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Post by RobR on Dec 15, 2014 20:43:27 GMT -5
What do the teams that have fallen (risen?) to the top of the draft have in common? They need a QB. The Jets are in the same position as the Bucs or the Titans, the difference is that Rex Ryan has coached them out of the top two spots. Idzik should have fired him after the bye week for the long term good of the team. ETA: the CBS mock draft has the Jets picking a DE at 6. SMH ETA2: Coach of the Year Bruce Arians was headed to the SB until he lost his QB If it was Randy Gregory, then I'd have no problem with it.Gregory is the sole defensive player that I wouldn't mind taking in the Top 10. We've been complaining ever since we traded Abe away almost a decade ago that we need a terrorizing passrusher off the edge and Gregory has DeMarcus Ware written all over him. He's shown that he can play with his hand in the dirt and standing up. He's also flashed the ability to drop back in coverage and cover TE's and slot receivers in space. Coples is best suited as a DL and guys like Pace and Babin are going to be gone after this season. OLB is definitely going to be a big need for this team...and potentially DE if the new coach wants to run more of a base 4-3. Gregory can play both One could argue that he's nearly as much of a physical freak as Clowney without all of the questions surrounding his desire and work ethic. Fuck that. There will be an offensive player worth taking at our spot as BPA. No more fucking defense and I don't care what type of prospect Gregory is.....he still has his holes.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 15, 2014 20:55:34 GMT -5
If it was Randy Gregory, then I'd have no problem with it.Gregory is the sole defensive player that I wouldn't mind taking in the Top 10. We've been complaining ever since we traded Abe away almost a decade ago that we need a terrorizing passrusher off the edge and Gregory has DeMarcus Ware written all over him. He's shown that he can play with his hand in the dirt and standing up. He's also flashed the ability to drop back in coverage and cover TE's and slot receivers in space. Coples is best suited as a DL and guys like Pace and Babin are going to be gone after this season. OLB is definitely going to be a big need for this team...and potentially DE if the new coach wants to run more of a base 4-3. Gregory can play both One could argue that he's nearly as much of a physical freak as Clowney without all of the questions surrounding his desire and work ethic. Fuck that. There will be an offensive player worth taking at our spot as BPA. No more fucking defense and I don't care what type of prospect Gregory is.....he still has his holes. All I'm saying is that if we're in the position of picking at #6 or #7 and guys like Mariota, Winston and Cooper are off the board...Gregory would certainly be on my short list if he's still available along with Parker and Scherff.
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Post by pcola on Dec 15, 2014 21:04:35 GMT -5
Our offense has been so bad for so long, I wouldn't be against go offense with every damn pick. Something like:
1- Scherf OT IA 2- Coates WR Aub 3- Jackson OG FSU 4-Grayson QB Col St 5- Bibbs TE IA st 7- another OT
And we draft a QB every year until we find one.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Dec 15, 2014 21:05:20 GMT -5
Fuck that. There will be an offensive player worth taking at our spot as BPA. No more fucking defense and I don't care what type of prospect Gregory is.....he still has his holes. All I'm saying is that if we're in the position of picking at #6 or #7 and guys like Mariota, Winston and Cooper are off the board...Gregory would certainly be on my short list if he's still available along with Parker and Scherff. I agree that Gregory would be nice value at 6, he would fill a big need at a premium position. The problem is the perception from the fan base of drafting another defensive player in the first round again. If Idzik is still here, and given how much he has been beaten up this last year, I find it really hard to believe he goes defense round one.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 15, 2014 21:32:20 GMT -5
All I'm saying is that if we're in the position of picking at #6 or #7 and guys like Mariota, Winston and Cooper are off the board...Gregory would certainly be on my short list if he's still available along with Parker and Scherff. I agree that Gregory would be nice value at 6, he would fill a big need at a premium position. The problem is the perception from the fan base of drafting another defensive player in the first round again. If Idzik is still here, and given how much he has been beaten up this last year, I find it really hard to believe he goes defense round one. I know that most fans would despise it, but if he develops into a 12-15 sack a year type of guy, then I don't know who's complaining in the long run. You know as well as I do that we've been clamoring for that stud passrusher for years. Even during years when our offense has been in turmoil. Hell, even after witnessing that shitastic offense in 2012 many were drooling over the possibility of drafting Dion Jordan. Who wasn't nearly the prospect that Gregory is IMO. And if the Jets were to follow up the Gregory selection with Gurley in the 2nd and say, Coates or Agholor in the 3rd...I can't say that I'd be any less than pretty damn excited about our draft.
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Post by Jets Things on Dec 15, 2014 21:49:42 GMT -5
I agree that Gregory would be nice value at 6, he would fill a big need at a premium position. The problem is the perception from the fan base of drafting another defensive player in the first round again. If Idzik is still here, and given how much he has been beaten up this last year, I find it really hard to believe he goes defense round one. I know that most fans would despise it, but if he develops into a 12-15 sack a year type of guy, then I don't know who's complaining in the long run. You know as well as I do that we've been clamoring for that stud passrusher for years. Even during years when our offense has been in turmoil. Hell, even after witnessing that shitastic offense in 2012 many were drooling over the possibility of drafting Dion Jordan. Who wasn't nearly the prospect that Gregory is IMO. And if the Jets were to follow up the Gregory selection with Gurley in the 2nd and say, Coates or Agholor in the 3rd...I can't say that I'd be any less than pretty damn excited about our draft. I'd sign up for this now.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 15, 2014 21:58:27 GMT -5
I know that most fans would despise it, but if he develops into a 12-15 sack a year type of guy, then I don't know who's complaining in the long run. You know as well as I do that we've been clamoring for that stud passrusher for years. Even during years when our offense has been in turmoil. Hell, even after witnessing that shitastic offense in 2012 many were drooling over the possibility of drafting Dion Jordan. Who wasn't nearly the prospect that Gregory is IMO. And if the Jets were to follow up the Gregory selection with Gurley in the 2nd and say, Coates or Agholor in the 3rd...I can't say that I'd be any less than pretty damn excited about our draft. I'd sign up for this now. So would I I don't even fault Idzik for going defense in the 1st round last year. I was just kind of upset at the time (and still) that it was Pryor instead of Darqueze Dennard at corner or more of a centerfielder at safety like Clinton-Dix. This year, if the Top 2 QB's are gone and the consensus #1 WR in Amari Cooper is off the board...then I don't think you draft offense just for the sake of drafting offense. Odds are that our offense is never going to be more than bottom 3rd of the league anyway without a legit QB. So I wouldn't be against drafting a potential double digit sack artist at a position of need and getting the havok wreaking passrusher that we've been pining for since the Abraham trade.
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Post by RobR on Dec 15, 2014 22:01:51 GMT -5
Fuck that. There will be an offensive player worth taking at our spot as BPA. No more fucking defense and I don't care what type of prospect Gregory is.....he still has his holes. All I'm saying is that if we're in the position of picking at #6 or #7 and guys like Mariota, Winston and Cooper are off the board...Gregory would certainly be on my short list if he's still available along with Parker and Scherff. I just hope a guy like Peat declares and gives us options with our current position. I would never draft Gregory or any other defensive player in this draft with a Parker or Peat available. Hell....I wouldn't draft any defensive player in the first round since we have needs at every offensive position. We have needs at QB, RB, OT, OG, and TE and I'll pass on Gregory every single time no matter what type of prospect he is. I'm not sure how many more years I can put up with a dogshit offense. At this point i'd rather lose 41-38 and at least know I have an improving offense than win 16-11 and have too stomach this putrid offensive performance.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 15, 2014 22:23:01 GMT -5
The kids explosion off the snap is insane and his variety of passrush moves to disengage is absurd despite his label as a "raw" prospect.
The sky is the limit for this kid and by all accounts, he has the desire and work ethic to back up his batshit, crazy upside.
This is just a few highlights from 2013. Nevermind his 2014 season where he noticeably bulked up and proved that his sophomore campaign was no fluke.
Put this motherfucker behind Mo, Sheldon and Snacks and watch him rape opposing QB's.
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Post by RobR on Dec 15, 2014 23:05:12 GMT -5
The kids explosion off the snap is insane and his variety of passrush moves to disengage is absurd despite his label as a "raw" prospect. The sky is the limit for this kid and by all accounts, he has the desire and work ethic to back up his batshit, crazy upside. This is just a few highlights from 2013. Nevermind his 2014 season where he noticeably bulked up and proved that his sophomore campaign was no fluke. Put this motherfucker behind Mo, Sheldon and Snacks and watch him rape opposing QB's. No more defense. How do you suppose we move from the 32nd ranked offense to the 15th ranked offense? By drafting another fucking defensive player yet again. There will be an offensive guy worth taking at 6th overall. Gregory is a nice prospect but he's not the second coming of Bruce Smith or even Jadaveon Clowney. We need to draft offense, even if we don't have the QB. Let's set up the future QB with a legit chance too succeed, whether that is OL or WR. Then we can draft RB and TE later. Keep drafting defense and you get the current incarnation of the NY Jets.
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Post by Aussie Jet on Dec 15, 2014 23:05:51 GMT -5
Been playing around with first-pick.com. At the moment, it still has the Jets picking fourth overall (presumably they'll shuffle the order once the MNF game is over). With Winston and Mariota going off the board in the first two picks, rather than take Cooper (who eventually went 11th overall to Minnesota) I picked up Philly's 2015 first round pick, some later round picks and swapped our first round pick with them. Went with Bernardick McKinney at #25 overall (he can take over from Harris at some point in 2015).
After going defence in the first round, I took DGB fourth in the second round, Todd Gurley with the second round pick acquired from Philadelphia (25th pick in the second round) and Ereck Flowers in the third round. I then did a deal with Denver to swap some picks around and with their third round pick, took Bryce Petty to give Smith a run for his money.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 15, 2014 23:09:53 GMT -5
The kids explosion off the snap is insane and his variety of passrush moves to disengage is absurd despite his label as a "raw" prospect. The sky is the limit for this kid and by all accounts, he has the desire and work ethic to back up his batshit, crazy upside. This is just a few highlights from 2013. Nevermind his 2014 season where he noticeably bulked up and proved that his sophomore campaign was no fluke. Put this motherfucker behind Mo, Sheldon and Snacks and watch him rape opposing QB's. No more defense. How do you suppose we move from the 32nd ranked offense to the 15th ranked offense? By drafting another fucking defensive player yet again. There will be an offensive guy worth taking at 6th overall. Gregory is a nice prospect but he's not the second coming of Bruce Smith or even Jadaveon Clowney. We need to draft offense, even if we don't have the QB. Let's set up the future QB with a legit chance too succeed, whether that is OL or WR. Then we can draft RB and TE later. Keep drafting defense and you get the current incarnation of the NY Jets. By drafting a potential franchise QB, which thanks to Sundays meaningless win, we basically have no chance to do outside of Connor Cook declaring and panning out. Again, is Gregory my ideal selection in the 1st round? No, but there's no doubt that he's a tremendous prospect at an area of need and has a ridiculously high upside as a passrusher.
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 15, 2014 23:19:51 GMT -5
I would spontaneously combust if we went defense in the first. If the QBs and Coop are gone then go OL. We have enough DL and we need proven CBs. Time to invest in offense, heavily.
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