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Post by TheMo on Dec 15, 2014 23:21:44 GMT -5
The kids explosion off the snap is insane and his variety of passrush moves to disengage is absurd despite his label as a "raw" prospect. The sky is the limit for this kid and by all accounts, he has the desire and work ethic to back up his batshit, crazy upside. This is just a few highlights from 2013. Nevermind his 2014 season where he noticeably bulked up and proved that his sophomore campaign was no fluke. Put this motherfucker behind Mo, Sheldon and Snacks and watch him rape opposing QB's. No more defense. How do you suppose we move from the 32nd ranked offense to the 15th ranked offense? By drafting another fucking defensive player yet again. There will be an offensive guy worth taking at 6th overall. Gregory is a nice prospect but he's not the second coming of Bruce Smith or even Jadaveon Clowney. We need to draft offense, even if we don't have the QB. Let's set up the future QB with a legit chance too succeed, whether that is OL or WR. Then we can draft RB and TE later. Keep drafting defense and you get the current incarnation of the NY Jets. If Cooper and the QBs are gone I am not sure which offense player would make any sense to help us in that regard. We can grab an RT or OG in the 2nd round. As has been mentioned there are no WR that would be worth it that high other than Cooper. Not taking an RB. And there you have it, you'd be taking someone for the sake of taking them.
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Post by TheMo on Dec 15, 2014 23:24:03 GMT -5
I would spontaneously combust if we went defense in the first. If the QBs and Coop are gone then go OL. We have enough DL and we need proven CBs. Time to invest in offense, heavily. What OL are you taking?? If Peat isn't available I am not taking a OT that is more of an RT (Scherff) and this guard class can barely get a guy in the 1st round let alone in the top 10.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 15, 2014 23:27:59 GMT -5
I would spontaneously combust if we went defense in the first. If the QBs and Coop are gone then go OL. We have enough DL and we need proven CBs. Time to invest in offense, heavily. We have no clue if we have enough DL or LB's. We have no idea if the next coach will want to stick with the 3-4 or transition to more of a 4-3. That's why if the Top 2 QB's and Cooper are off the board...I suddenly become a lot more open to going defense in the 1st round. If we stick with a predominant 3-4 scheme, then we're still going to need to replace Pace/Babin. And everyone should realize at this point that Coples is better suited as a DL than an OLB. If we transition to a base 4-3 look, then David Harris can go fuck himself but we're still going to need a pair of OLB's after Davis takes over the inside in addition to needing another passrusher off the edge of the DL. With Gregory, you can kill two birds with one stone.
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Post by RobR on Dec 15, 2014 23:31:57 GMT -5
No more defense. How do you suppose we move from the 32nd ranked offense to the 15th ranked offense? By drafting another fucking defensive player yet again. There will be an offensive guy worth taking at 6th overall. Gregory is a nice prospect but he's not the second coming of Bruce Smith or even Jadaveon Clowney. We need to draft offense, even if we don't have the QB. Let's set up the future QB with a legit chance too succeed, whether that is OL or WR. Then we can draft RB and TE later. Keep drafting defense and you get the current incarnation of the NY Jets. If Cooper and the QBs are gone I am not sure which offense player would make any sense to help us in that regard. We can grab an RT or OG in the 2nd round. As has been mentioned there are no WR that would be worth it that high other than Cooper. Not taking an RB. And there you have it, you'd be taking someone for the sake of taking them. You need too familiarize yourself with Davante Parker because he will go higher than Cooper. He is going to leap up in the scouting community and should be the first WR off of the board. Peat is also a once in a decade prospect. You heard it here first. I just hope he declares.
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 15, 2014 23:38:51 GMT -5
I would spontaneously combust if we went defense in the first. If the QBs and Coop are gone then go OL. We have enough DL and we need proven CBs. Time to invest in offense, heavily. We have no clue if we have enough DL or LB's. We have no idea if the next coach will want to stick with the 3-4 or transition to more of a 4-3. That's why if the Top 2 QB's and Cooper are off the board...I suddenly become a lot more open to going defense in the 1st round. If we stick with a predominant 3-4 scheme, then we're still going to need to replace Pace/Babin. And everyone should realize at this point that Coples is better suited as a DL. If we transition to a base 4-3 look, then David Harris can go fuck himself but we're still going to need a pair of OLB's after Davis takes over the inside in addition to needing another passrusher off the edge of the DL. With Gregory, you can kill two birds with one stone. Everything you are saying is right but we are not winning games with defense. After having the top DC in the league as our HC and the last 5 first rounders invested this should be apparent. And one guy isnt making us 2000 Ravens or 2013 Seahawks. It is a QB league and an offense league. There will be a great offensive player available like Parker to pick. And if not then we need to start thinking about life after Brick and Mangold so rebuilding the OL isn't a bad idea.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 15, 2014 23:39:06 GMT -5
If Cooper and the QBs are gone I am not sure which offense player would make any sense to help us in that regard. We can grab an RT or OG in the 2nd round. As has been mentioned there are no WR that would be worth it that high other than Cooper. Not taking an RB. And there you have it, you'd be taking someone for the sake of taking them. You need too familiarize yourself with Davante Parker because he will go higher than Cooper. He is going to leap up in the scouting community and should be the first WR off of the board. Peat is also a once in a decade prospect. You heard it here first. I just hope he declares. No he won't I don't buy that for a second, and that's coming from a guy who loves Parker. People are getting way too obsessed these days with the guy who is bigger or stronger instead of sticking with their gut and taking the best overall football player. Parker may very well present the bigger upside once he gets to the pros. But at the very least I see Cooper as a longterm, dependable receiver who makes a handful of pro-bowls throughout the course of his career. Best case scenario, he's the next Reggie Wayne and a potential HOFer if he remains healthy.
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Post by RobR on Dec 15, 2014 23:39:26 GMT -5
I would spontaneously combust if we went defense in the first. If the QBs and Coop are gone then go OL. We have enough DL and we need proven CBs. Time to invest in offense, heavily. We have no clue if we have enough DL or LB's.
We have no idea if the next coach will want to stick with the 3-4 or transition to more of a 4-3. That's why if the Top 2 QB's and Cooper are off the board...I suddenly become a lot more open to going defense in the 1st round. If we stick with a predominant 3-4 scheme, then we're still going to need to replace Pace/Babin. And everyone should realize at this point that Coples is better suited as a DL than an OLB. If we transition to a base 4-3 look, then David Harris can go fuck himself but we're still going to need a pair of OLB's after Davis takes over the inside in addition to needing another passrusher off the edge of the DL. With Gregory, you can kill two birds with one stone. But we already know we have dogshit on offense. We have neglected it forever and we need too go O this year. There will be a worthy WR available whether that be Cooper or Parker. There might be an OT worth taking in Peat.
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Post by maury77 on Dec 15, 2014 23:41:16 GMT -5
I agree with taking Parker over Gregory. If we switch to a 4-3 (which we should), Coples and Wilk are going to play DE. Now that Rex has Coples playing to his strengths by playing DL (instead of impersonating Adalius Thomas), Coples has looked very good the last couple of games filling in for Wilk. Next year, go Coples-Harrison-Richardson-Wilk. Aside from QB, you know where our offense really sucked this year? The red zone. Grab Parker and start tossing jump balls to him the way we did with Plax a couple of years ago (you know, when we had one of the best red zone offenses in the league). draftbreakdown.com/video/devante-parker-vs-nc-state-2014/
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Post by RobR on Dec 15, 2014 23:48:14 GMT -5
You need too familiarize yourself with Davante Parker because he will go higher than Cooper. He is going to leap up in the scouting community and should be the first WR off of the board. Peat is also a once in a decade prospect. You heard it here first. I just hope he declares. No he won't I don't buy that for a second, and that's coming from a guy who loves Parker. People are getting way too obsessed these days with the guy who is bigger or stronger instead of sticking with their gut and taking the best overall football player. Parker may very well present the bigger upside once he gets to the pros. But at the very least I see Cooper as a longterm, dependable receiver who makes a handful of pro-bowls throughout the course of his career. Best case scenario, he's the next Reggie Wayne and a potential HOFer if he remains healthy. We'll argue some more in the future but I am holding you to that prediction, and you should do the same on my part. I've always respected your views but we'll butt heads on this again. You can't deny I brought up many prospects that were lower ranked prospects and climbed up the charts throughout all of last season.
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Dec 16, 2014 2:02:39 GMT -5
Our offense has been so bad for so long, I wouldn't be against go offense with every damn pick. Something like: 1- Scherf OT IA 2- Coates WR Aub 3- Jackson OG FSU 4-Grayson QB Col St 5- Bibbs TE IA st 7- another OT And we draft a QB every year until we find one. I would hate that draft. Scherff isn't a bad prospect, but he's a guard at the next level. He's got short arms and is not very good in space. There is no way I take a guard in the top 10. Coates is a slightly better version of Hill. He was injured this year, but still showed poor route running, awareness, and hands. Jackson in the 3rd I'd be fine with, but you already took a guard with our top 10 pick. Grayson is a project so you're basically hinging on our draft being successful on his development. Bibbs probably won't be there in the 5th round.
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Post by mogglez on Dec 16, 2014 3:17:00 GMT -5
I actually don't think I can watch the draft this year. If both QBs come off the board (they probably will) I'm going to have to be restrained so I don't break something. This win sucks so fucking much I can't actually believe it.
God fucking help me if we pick another defensive player. I don't even care if its Gregory. If we pick another defensive player with a first round pick I'll mentally check out for the season. I can't watch this shit on offense anymore. I actually cannot tolerate it. Shame on ANYONE thinking that doing this would be acceptable.
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Post by Harrier on Dec 16, 2014 3:33:34 GMT -5
I actually don't think I can watch the draft this year. If both QBs come off the board (they probably will) I'm going to have to be restrained so I don't break something. This win sucks so fucking much I can't actually believe it. God fucking help me if we pick another defensive player. I don't even care if its Gregory. If we pick another defensive player with a first round pick I'll mentally check out for the season. I can't watch this shit on offense anymore. I actually cannot tolerate it. Shame on ANYONE thinking that doing this would be acceptable. Absolutely...it's time to pull the trigger on a blue chip offensive talent, if it's not Mariota or Winston it's gotta be Cooper.
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Post by Hotman on Dec 16, 2014 6:42:15 GMT -5
Honestly, if Mariotta is gone, and I'm not sold on him btw but it just seems like you "have" to take him if you're us, I don't care if we pick Defense. I'd rather see us make some kind of trades or do something significant in free agency for PROVEN Offensive talent that will fit whatever it is we'll be trying to do. Who knows whatever in the fuck that will be. Harvin, Amaro, and Ivory are a decent start. Idzik can fucking burn in hell for what he did with these WR's in the draft. He absolutely cannot get another draft. No excuses. Me and 90% of JI could have done better and I know jack shit about NCAA. Don't follow it at all. I would have done better. Sickening. Asshole set us back another 2 years at least with that draft.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 16, 2014 9:41:25 GMT -5
Honestly, if Mariotta is gone, and I'm not sold on him btw but it just seems like you "have" to take him if you're us, I don't care if we pick Defense. I'd rather see us make some kind of trades or do something significant in free agency for PROVEN Offensive talent that will fit whatever it is we'll be trying to do. Who knows whatever in the fuck that will be. Harvin, Amaro, and Ivory are a decent start. Idzik can fucking burn in hell for what he did with these WR's in the draft. He absolutely cannot get another draft. No excuses. Me and 90% of JI could have done better and I know jack shit about NCAA. Don't follow it at all. I would have done better. Sickening. Asshole set us back another 2 years at least with that draft. We need a QB, if Mariotta and Winston are not available in Round 1, than whenever the Jets pick in the 2d round or later if a QB is available who grades in or around that round, they need to take him. Bottom line, in every draft they need to select a QB's until they find one.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 16, 2014 9:52:40 GMT -5
Honestly, if Mariotta is gone, and I'm not sold on him btw but it just seems like you "have" to take him if you're us, I don't care if we pick Defense. I'd rather see us make some kind of trades or do something significant in free agency for PROVEN Offensive talent that will fit whatever it is we'll be trying to do. Who knows whatever in the fuck that will be. Harvin, Amaro, and Ivory are a decent start. Idzik can fucking burn in hell for what he did with these WR's in the draft. He absolutely cannot get another draft. No excuses. Me and 90% of JI could have done better and I know jack shit about NCAA. Don't follow it at all. I would have done better. Sickening. Asshole set us back another 2 years at least with that draft. What were these people saying about Roethlisberger, Flacco, Romo, Wilson, Rodgers, Brees, and Brady? Bottom line is no one knows. that is why when a guy has the physical tools, football instincts, and leadership qualities you take him.
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