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Post by rangerous on May 2, 2016 19:13:12 GMT -5
now maybe i'm just too much of a homer to not think the impossible can come true but hackenberg could be the starter this season. consider this; he has some really good receivers to throw to in marshall, decker, enunwa, amaro and whatever they get from smith and anyone else, they still have good running backs. yeah ivory was a force but he was getting too nicked up, they dealt with the brick retirement and if clady gives them 14 good games at lt then it was worth it, the guards are set and bremo is okay. on defense they added speed and have the dline mostly intact with a pretty good secondary. oh i guess we can't say they'll make the show but why not have a little magic come the jet's way for once. and if hackenberg does start then bowles is confident that he can game manage. the one plus is he came from a pro style college offense as opposed to the chuck and duck of genot and petty. plus, even though genot is a goner after this season, petty isn't and he may have some trade value. fitz? the door is closing. he better sign sometime right after ota's.
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Post by crossfire on May 2, 2016 19:24:10 GMT -5
I'll be thrilled if this kid is the real thing but I really don't want to rush things. At the very least, he's got some bad habits to work on. Fortunately he's already begun the process. But I really don't want to see the team rush him along and I hope the coaching staff doesn't either.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 19:42:36 GMT -5
Thank goodness there is a shorter thread. That video used up all my "call mom" minutes.
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Post by 32Green on May 2, 2016 22:51:22 GMT -5
Thank goodness there is a shorter thread. That video used up all my "call mom" minutes. +1. Also, I keep reading Hackenberg's name as spoken by the Marx Bros. Hacken-uh-berger. That sort of thing, plus the NFL shop charges like 20 bucks a letter after the b for the jersey. It wraps under the arms so it says erg on the front, which requires a graceful turn to display to the boys down at the Blarney Stone. Hey its Erg, lol...(graceful turn) oh Hackenuhberg, never mind man.
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Post by nyjets1969 on May 3, 2016 7:06:35 GMT -5
I hope he doesn't start let Geno start let this kid sit for a year. Haven't the Jets wreck enough QBS by rushing them along both Geno and Sanchez were QBs that required a year of sitting and learning. While HackenBerg has a better skill set then the previous QBS he still had 2 years of having a bad college system and OL which has caused several problems with his mechanics. He should sit for a year and learn the Jets have a potential franchise QB if they don't rush him. Let Geno start promote Petty to backup or have a competition between Petty and Geno. Let HackenBerg sit and learn.
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Post by crossfire on May 3, 2016 8:06:11 GMT -5
A friend & I were talking about Geno today. He's in a very unique position.
If they don't sign Fitz, he could be the Jets starter.
If they do sign Fitz, the Jets could cut him.
Personally, I think we sign Fitz and if Hack & Petty stay healthy through camp, Geno gets cut. That's $500K in dead money but $1M in cap savings.
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Post by 32Green on May 3, 2016 8:14:01 GMT -5
Personally, I think we sign Fitz and if Hack & Petty stay healthy through camp, Geno gets cut. That's $500K in dead money but $1M in cap savings. +1...and I dont think you can understate the loss of face Geno suffered in that lockeroom with both the HC and the team after that fight nonsense and getting benched for Fitz. That's hard to earn back IF you even cared to rectify it....and I never got the feeling Geno gives two sh*ts. The guy has zero leadership vibe that I can see. Take the cap$ and run. Time to move on.
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Post by Raoul Duke on May 3, 2016 8:17:36 GMT -5
A friend & I were talking about Geno today. He's in a very unique position. If they don't sign Fitz, he could be the Jets starter. If they do sign Fitz, the Jets could cut him. Personally, I think we sign Fitz and if Hack & Petty stay healthy through camp, Geno gets cut. That's $500K in dead money but $1M in cap savings. I was thinking about that too: you're either gonna start or get cut. That has to be a first.
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Post by crossfire on May 3, 2016 8:30:30 GMT -5
I was thinking about that too: you're either gonna start or get cut. That has to be a first. It sort of reminded me of the the 1988 Jets / vagiants game. Last game of the season. Jets are out of the playoffs. If the vagiants win, they are the NFC East champs. I might be wrong but I think they would have gotten a bye week too. But if they lost, they are out of the playoffs. I went to a bar with a friend to watch the game. We got there late and had to sit close to the big screen tv. The giants fans were ragging us the whole game. That was until O'Brien hit Toon for a TD with 37 seconds left. We were high-fiving in front of all the now dead silent giants fans and I turned to them and told them to enjoy the fucking off season. The misery on their faces was priceless.
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Post by crossfire on May 3, 2016 8:31:12 GMT -5
O'Brien also hit Shuler with a big pass ;ate in that game too.
Good times... good times!
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Post by Sonny Werblin on May 3, 2016 8:32:09 GMT -5
I hope he doesn't start let Geno start let this kid sit for a year. Haven't the Jets wreck enough QBS by rushing them along both Geno and Sanchez were QBs that required a year of sitting and learning. While HackenBerg has a better skill set then the previous QBS he still had 2 years of having a bad college system and OL which has caused several problems with his mechanics. He should sit for a year and learn the Jets have a potential franchise QB if they don't rush him. Let Geno start promote Petty to backup or have a competition between Petty and Geno. Let HackenBerg sit and learn. The Jets didn't ruin Sanchez or Geno. Both suffer from the same mallady. In the heat of the moment they make very poor decisions. No amount of bench time was going to make them better at making decisions under pressure. While Geno was forced to play before he was comfortable in a pro offense, by year 2 he should have known the offense cold. They were both front runners in college with coaches that made things very easy for them. This whole thing about it taking more than a year to "fix" Hackenberg's mechanics is laughable. His mechanic's were OK 3 years ago, and he's been working on them non stop since the end of his college football career. If they are not essentially "fixed" by Training Camp, he clearly is not a candidate to ever become a productive NFL QB. That said, I think people misunderstand the notion of a project QB. Such a QB comes from a system where he has never been called upon to do the things a pro QB does. i.e. read defenses, change plays at the line, throw to receivers running option routes, etc..., OR has played in a system which de-emphasizes QB skills in favor of athletic skill i.e. the Baylor Offense. Hackenberg ran a pro Offense in his freshman year. He was allowed to audible into ANY play at the line of scrimmage and did so frequently. And it was not the "check with me" audible given to guys like Geno and Sanchez where they are given the choice between one pass play and one run play, Hackenberg could audible into any run or pass. O'Brien encouraged him to do so, telling Hackenberg he was an extension of the OC on the field. I read that Mac said he would not rule out Hackenberg starting games this year and you basically need to see how a guy plays in TC and preseason. I am not a PSU fan, but have watched this kid for a few years because I live in PSU country. The stuff I saw his freshman year make me a believer. You just do not do what he did without having the goods. Unfortunately, when O'Brien left, he was forced to switch to an offense more suited to a mobile QB and the sanctions really took hold during his second and third years draining talent from the team. I fully expect Hackenberg to be the starter by the end of the season.
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Post by Raoul Duke on May 3, 2016 8:47:57 GMT -5
I was thinking about that too: you're either gonna start or get cut. That has to be a first. It sort of reminded me of the the 1988 Jets / vagiants game. Last game of the season. Jets are out of the playoffs. If the vagiants win, they are the NFC East champs. I might be wrong but I think they would have gotten a bye week too. But if they lost, they are out of the playoffs. I went to a bar with a friend to watch the game. We got there late and had to sit close to the big screen tv. The giants fans were ragging us the whole game. That was until O'Brien hit Toon for a TD with 37 seconds left. We were high-fiving in front of all the now dead silent giants fans and I turned to them and told them to enjoy the fucking off season. The misery on their faces was priceless. It did? Phew, for a second I felt like it had absolutely nothing to do with what we were talking about. Give WCO his weed back.
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Post by carlito1171 on May 3, 2016 8:51:33 GMT -5
I've warmed up to the pick but I honestly don't want to see him at all next year...Not all QBs benefit from sitting, but with the same token not all QBs benefit from getting thrown into the fire. Take a look at our last 2 much maligned projects at QB. I think Hack would benefit from being brought along at a slower pace, take the pressure off, and work on the little things.
Fitz should be plan A...he's the perfect bridge QB at this point. Otherwise run Geno back out there until the wheels fall off....
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Post by Chesapeakejet on May 3, 2016 9:10:36 GMT -5
I hope he doesn't start let Geno start let this kid sit for a year. Haven't the Jets wreck enough QBS by rushing them along both Geno and Sanchez were QBs that required a year of sitting and learning. While HackenBerg has a better skill set then the previous QBS he still had 2 years of having a bad college system and OL which has caused several problems with his mechanics. He should sit for a year and learn the Jets have a potential franchise QB if they don't rush him. Let Geno start promote Petty to backup or have a competition between Petty and Geno. Let HackenBerg sit and learn. The Jets didn't ruin Sanchez or Geno. Both suffer from the same mallady. In the heat of the moment they make very poor decisions. No amount of bench time was going to make them better at making decisions under pressure. While Geno was forced to play before he was comfortable in a pro offense, by year 2 he should have known the offense cold. They were both front runners in college with coaches that made things very easy for them. This whole thing about it taking more than a year to "fix" Hackenberg's mechanics is laughable. His mechanic's were OK 3 years ago, and he's been working on them non stop since the end of his college football career. If they are not essentially "fixed" by Training Camp, he clearly is not a candidate to ever become a productive NFL QB. That said, I think people misunderstand the notion of a project QB. Such a QB comes from a system where he has never been called upon to do the things a pro QB does. i.e. read defenses, change plays at the line, throw to receivers running option routes, etc..., OR has played in a system which de-emphasizes QB skills in favor of athletic skill i.e. the Baylor Offense. Hackenberg ran a pro Offense in his freshman year. He was allowed to audible into ANY play at the line of scrimmage and did so frequently. And it was not the "check with me" audible given to guys like Geno and Sanchez where they are given the choice between one pass play and one run play, Hackenberg could audible into any run or pass. O'Brien encouraged him to do so, telling Hackenberg he was an extension of the OC on the field. I read that Mac said he would not rule out Hackenberg starting games this year and you basically need to see how a guy plays in TC and preseason. I am not a PSU fan, but have watched this kid for a few years because I live in PSU country. The stuff I saw his freshman year make me a believer. You just do not do what he did without having the goods. Unfortunately, when O'Brien left, he was forced to switch to an offense more suited to a mobile QB and the sanctions really took hold during his second and third years draining talent from the team. I fully expect Hackenberg to be the starter by the end of the season. Just a general comment. What it takes for a QB to have to switch to another style of offense, one his skills are not suited for cannot be understated. In Hack's case, having been a pocket passer, he feels right at home in that type of offense which is why I would anticipate he will be better under pressure than a Sanchez or Gee-no.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 9:25:23 GMT -5
It sort of reminded me of the the 1988 Jets / vagiants game. Last game of the season. Jets are out of the playoffs. If the vagiants win, they are the NFC East champs. I might be wrong but I think they would have gotten a bye week too. But if they lost, they are out of the playoffs. I went to a bar with a friend to watch the game. We got there late and had to sit close to the big screen tv. The giants fans were ragging us the whole game. That was until O'Brien hit Toon for a TD with 37 seconds left. We were high-fiving in front of all the now dead silent giants fans and I turned to them and told them to enjoy the fucking off season. The misery on their faces was priceless. It did? Phew, for a second I felt like it had absolutely nothing to do with what we were talking about. Give WCO his weed back. That's a brilliant left turn; you gotta admit. :uh huh: I was rooming with a big mouthed giant fan; we had to watch the other games back then. So I put the big article with Toon clutching the game winner on his door for a month. He was pissed that I didn't love the NYG equally; he DID NOT GET that I would rather be _________________________ with ________________ than root for the vagiants. Manhattan is an different planet. Real Manhattans are weird.
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