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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 9:29:06 GMT -5
O'Brien also hit Shuler with a big pass ;ate in that game too. Good times... good times! You guys forget; no one gets as fired up as crossFIRE.
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Post by bxjetfan on May 3, 2016 10:01:23 GMT -5
I hope he doesn't start let Geno start let this kid sit for a year. Haven't the Jets wreck enough QBS by rushing them along both Geno and Sanchez were QBs that required a year of sitting and learning. While HackenBerg has a better skill set then the previous QBS he still had 2 years of having a bad college system and OL which has caused several problems with his mechanics. He should sit for a year and learn the Jets have a potential franchise QB if they don't rush him. Let Geno start promote Petty to backup or have a competition between Petty and Geno. Let HackenBerg sit and learn. This whole thing about it taking more than a year to "fix" Hackenberg's mechanics is laughable. His mechanic's were OK 3 years ago, and he's been working on them non stop since the end of his college football career. If they are not essentially "fixed" by Training Camp, he clearly is not a candidate to ever become a productive NFL QB. He was coached on his footwork 3 different ways in 3 years at Penn( lol Lith) and then he went to work with Carson Palmers brother prior to the draft. I have no idea if our QB coach is even going to teach him the same way as any of the other coaches have done. He need a ton of reps bad so his muscle memory kicks in and he does it the right way every time and doesn't revert back to bad coaching when he gets pressured. The other thing with him is the David Carr syndrome. Hack has potential, but he made some bad decisions when he was under pressure because his line was so bad. A year in a red jersey where the QB won't be hit might make him better.
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Post by crossfire on May 3, 2016 10:25:41 GMT -5
Getting made ace fun of by a frog. Kill me now.
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Post by Paradis on May 3, 2016 10:28:40 GMT -5
A friend & I were talking about Geno today. He's in a very unique position. If they don't sign Fitz, he could be the Jets starter. If they do sign Fitz, the Jets could cut him. Personally, I think we sign Fitz and if Hack & Petty stay healthy through camp, Geno gets cut. That's $500K in dead money but $1M in cap savings. Pretty sure it's Petty's ass that's out the door if someone's gotta go. Until you're sure you've someone capable of being your #2, you don't cut Geno Not to mention Macc didn't event drop Petty's name once while talking about QBs
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Post by carlito1171 on May 3, 2016 10:40:51 GMT -5
I'm not convinced we won't try to stash Petty on the PS late into the offseason when everyone's QB situation is sorted out....
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Post by rangerous on May 3, 2016 10:42:22 GMT -5
This whole thing about it taking more than a year to "fix" Hackenberg's mechanics is laughable. His mechanic's were OK 3 years ago, and he's been working on them non stop since the end of his college football career. If they are not essentially "fixed" by Training Camp, he clearly is not a candidate to ever become a productive NFL QB. He was coached on his footwork 3 different ways in 3 years at Penn( lol Lith) and then he went to work with Carson Palmers brother prior to the draft. I have no idea if our QB coach is even going to teach him the same way as any of the other coaches have done. He need a ton of reps bad so his muscle memory kicks in and he does it the right way every time and doesn't revert back to bad coaching when he gets pressured. The other thing with him is the David Carr syndrome. Hack has potential, but he made some bad decisions when he was under pressure because his line was so bad. A year in a red jersey where the QB won't be hit might make him better. just going to point out that derek carr was drafted in the second round and started right away. imo this jets team is very well suited to a rookie qb assuming he has the ability to not make mistakes. heck genot started 3 seasons ago as a rookie and so did sanchez. and going back, obrien would've started if he wasn't involved in that brawl with gastineau, todd started, and so did nagle. this team is built to win now and if bowles thinks hackenberg can do the job, i just won't be surprised. as a matter of fact i wouldn't be surprised if fitz isn't re-signed depending on hackenberg's play during the ota's and other training.
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Post by Peebag on May 3, 2016 10:48:25 GMT -5
He was coached on his footwork 3 different ways in 3 years at Penn( lol Lith) and then he went to work with Carson Palmers brother prior to the draft. I have no idea if our QB coach is even going to teach him the same way as any of the other coaches have done. He need a ton of reps bad so his muscle memory kicks in and he does it the right way every time and doesn't revert back to bad coaching when he gets pressured. The other thing with him is the David Carr syndrome. Hack has potential, but he made some bad decisions when he was under pressure because his line was so bad. A year in a red jersey where the QB won't be hit might make him better. just going to point out that derek carr was drafted in the second round and started right away. imo this jets team is very well suited to a rookie qb assuming he has the ability to not make mistakes. heck genot started 3 seasons ago as a rookie and so did sanchez. and going back, obrien would've started if he wasn't involved in that brawl with gastineau, todd started, and so did nagle. this team is built to win now and if bowles thinks hackenberg can do the job, i just won't be surprised. as a matter of fact i wouldn't be surprised if fitz isn't re-signed depending on hackenberg's play during the ota's and other training. Well I sure hope all the quality draft picks spent on the OL will help....
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Post by carlito1171 on May 3, 2016 10:50:01 GMT -5
heck genot started 3 seasons ago as a rookie and so did sanchez Geno had no business on a football field his rookie year.. You could arguably say the same about Sanchez...he only had 16 college starts under his belt
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Post by crossfire on May 3, 2016 10:51:20 GMT -5
A friend & I were talking about Geno today. He's in a very unique position. If they don't sign Fitz, he could be the Jets starter. If they do sign Fitz, the Jets could cut him. Personally, I think we sign Fitz and if Hack & Petty stay healthy through camp, Geno gets cut. That's $500K in dead money but $1M in cap savings. Pretty sure it's Petty's ass that's out the door if someone's gotta go. Until you're sure you've someone capable of being your #2, you don't cut Geno Not to mention Macc didn't event drop Petty's name once while talking about QBs That's not true about Mac not mentioning Petty. This rumor has been mentioned quite a few times by people that obviously didn't listen to the interview. Not only did he mention him, (@ the 11:00 mark of the Michael Kay interview) but he said he liked him a lot. One thing he he would not commit to though was having Geno as the starter even if they didn't sign Fitz. And that says a lot about how he feels about Geno. So I'll stick with my comments about Geno being the odd man out.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on May 3, 2016 10:51:42 GMT -5
He was coached on his footwork 3 different ways in 3 years at Penn( lol Lith) and then he went to work with Carson Palmers brother prior to the draft. I have no idea if our QB coach is even going to teach him the same way as any of the other coaches have done. He need a ton of reps bad so his muscle memory kicks in and he does it the right way every time and doesn't revert back to bad coaching when he gets pressured. The other thing with him is the David Carr syndrome. Hack has potential, but he made some bad decisions when he was under pressure because his line was so bad. A year in a red jersey where the QB won't be hit might make him better. just going to point out that derek carr was drafted in the second round and started right away. imo this jets team is very well suited to a rookie qb assuming he has the ability to not make mistakes. heck genot started 3 seasons ago as a rookie and so did sanchez. and going back, obrien would've started if he wasn't involved in that brawl with gastineau, todd started, and so did nagle. this team is built to win now and if bowles thinks hackenberg can do the job, i just won't be surprised. as a matter of fact i wouldn't be surprised if fitz isn't re-signed depending on hackenberg's play during the ota's and other training. I do not want the Jets to sign Fitz because when he is on a roster any QB who happens to be playing better than him gets injured, and I fear what would happen if Hackenberg does well in TC. Let Fitz take his Tonya Harding Syndrome to some other city.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on May 3, 2016 10:56:34 GMT -5
just going to point out that derek carr was drafted in the second round and started right away. imo this jets team is very well suited to a rookie qb assuming he has the ability to not make mistakes. heck genot started 3 seasons ago as a rookie and so did sanchez. and going back, obrien would've started if he wasn't involved in that brawl with gastineau, todd started, and so did nagle. this team is built to win now and if bowles thinks hackenberg can do the job, i just won't be surprised. as a matter of fact i wouldn't be surprised if fitz isn't re-signed depending on hackenberg's play during the ota's and other training. Well I sure hope all the quality draft picks spent on the OL will help.... The Jets O line is a real wildcard this season. If Clady stays healthy, IMO they'll have 3 plus starters in Carpenter, Mangold and Clady. The problems are giacomini and winters. If a good veteran lineman from some other team shakes loose as a TC roster/salary cap casualty, the Jets could add another +lineman making the O line a strength rather than a weakness (for at least one season).
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Post by 2foolish on May 3, 2016 10:59:58 GMT -5
I was thinking about that too: you're either gonna start or get cut. That has to be a first. It sort of reminded me of the the 1988 Jets / vagiants game. Last game of the season. Jets are out of the playoffs. If the vagiants win, they are the NFC East champs. I might be wrong but I think they would have gotten a bye week too. But if they lost, they are out of the playoffs. I went to a bar with a friend to watch the game. We got there late and had to sit close to the big screen tv. The giants fans were ragging us the whole game. That was until O'Brien hit Toon for a TD with 37 seconds left. We were high-fiving in front of all the now dead silent giants fans and I turned to them and told them to enjoy the fucking off season. The misery on their faces was priceless. what exactly reminded you of the Jets/giants game?...
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Post by Paradis on May 3, 2016 11:05:18 GMT -5
Pretty sure it's Petty's ass that's out the door if someone's gotta go. Until you're sure you've someone capable of being your #2, you don't cut Geno Not to mention Macc didn't event drop Petty's name once while talking about QBs That's true about Mac not mentioning Petty. This rumor has been mentioned quite a few times by people that obviously didn't listen to the interview. Not only did he mention him, (@ the 11:00 mark of the Michael Kay interview) but he said he liked him a lot. One thing he he would not commit to though was having Geno as the starter even if they didn't sign Fitz. And that says a lot about how he feels about Geno. So I'll stick with my comments about Geno being the odd man out. apparently national media disagrees with you: Still don't get why you guys all don't want a cheap, high ceiling back up like Geno... most here continue to worship Macc at every turn... well if he wanted Geno gone, he'd gone already. He's a much better candidate to start games if Fitz is not here/hurt than Hack or Petty in 2016
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Post by Sonny Werblin on May 3, 2016 11:08:03 GMT -5
Mel Kiper reviewed of the Jet draft and he made a very good point when questioning why the same evaluators who criticize the Jets for using a 2d round pick on and FBS QB who was once regarded as a sure top 5 pick also love the selection of an FCS QB with the second overall pick in the entire draft. He felt Hackenberg was a far better risk as a 2d round selection than Wentz as the second overall pick.
That's why Mel makes the big bucks. I often have thought the some teams (the Browns mainly) would do well to fire their entire scouting department and simply tune in to ESPN and select whoever Mel says they should.
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Post by Augustiniak on May 3, 2016 11:17:49 GMT -5
Mel Kiper reviewed of the Jet draft and he made a very good point when questioning why the same evaluators who criticize the Jets for using a 2d round pick on and FBS QB who was once regarded as a sure top 5 pick also love the selection of an FCS QB with the second overall pick in the entire draft. He felt Hackenberg was a far better risk as a 2d round selection than Wentz as the second overall pick. That's why Mel makes the big bucks. I often have thought the some teams (the Browns mainly) would do well to fire their entire scouting department and simply tune in to ESPN and select whoever Mel says they should. b/c the jets will not get the benefit of the doubt until they find a qb. and i can understand this.
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