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Post by MDL JET on May 3, 2016 11:21:46 GMT -5
Well I sure hope all the quality draft picks spent on the OL will help.... The Jets O line is a real wildcard this season. If Clady stays healthy, IMO they'll have 3 plus starters in Carpenter, Mangold and Clady. The problems are giacomini and winters. If a good veteran lineman from some other team shakes loose as a TC roster/salary cap casualty, the Jets could add another +lineman making the O line a strength rather than a weakness (for at least one season). It's not as if the Oline was weak last year, it's just a matter of upgrading and getting young down the line. Jets oline ranked 2nd in fewest sacks given up, and 6th in fewest QB hits. This offense is built well for a rookie to start with Marshall and Decker along with a veteran RB in Forte to dump it off to when needed. Although, yes, Hack needs to work on not sailing those over his head. And the defense ranked 3rd in takeaways. So yeah, it's ideal for the kid to sit but it's not exactly the same situation as Geno had.
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Post by DowNY on May 3, 2016 11:38:59 GMT -5
Mel Kiper reviewed of the Jet draft and he made a very good point when questioning why the same evaluators who criticize the Jets for using a 2d round pick on and FBS QB who was once regarded as a sure top 5 pick also love the selection of an FCS QB with the second overall pick in the entire draft. He felt Hackenberg was a far better risk as a 2d round selection than Wentz as the second overall pick. That's why Mel makes the big bucks. I often have thought the some teams (the Browns mainly) would do well to fire their entire scouting department and simply tune in to ESPN and select whoever Mel says they should. Yep. Hackenberg to me looks better than Derek Carr did when the Raiders drafted him in round 2. Media loves giving the Jets shit but it is what it is. We haven't hit on a QB in years, so until we do they'll just continue to question our QB decisions.
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Post by 32Green on May 3, 2016 12:19:16 GMT -5
Pretty sure it's Petty's ass that's out the door if someone's gotta go. Until you're sure you've someone capable of being your #2, you don't cut Geno Not to mention Macc didn't event drop Petty's name once while talking about QBs That's not true about Mac not mentioning Petty. This rumor has been mentioned quite a few times by people that obviously didn't listen to the interview. Not only did he mention him, (@ the 11:00 mark of the Michael Kay interview) but he said he liked him a lot. One thing he he would not commit to though was having Geno as the starter even if they didn't sign Fitz. And that says a lot about how he feels about Geno. So I'll stick with my comments about Geno being the odd man out. Mac mentioned Petty on Boomer and Carton this morning and said he's very happy with his progress. He also made reference to Geno's lockeroom incident, whatever thats worth. Methinks it resonated far beyond the broken jaw as far as management was concerned. Mac's also gonna be on with Fattcessa at 2, so that might be worth a listen.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 12:35:14 GMT -5
Mel Kiper reviewed of the Jet draft and he made a very good point when questioning why the same evaluators who criticize the Jets for using a 2d round pick on and FBS QB who was once regarded as a sure top 5 pick also love the selection of an FCS QB with the second overall pick in the entire draft. He felt Hackenberg was a far better risk as a 2d round selection than Wentz as the second overall pick. That's why Mel makes the big bucks. I often have thought the some teams (the Browns mainly) would do well to fire their entire scouting department and simply tune in to ESPN and select whoever Mel says they should. lol, those poor scouts. common Sonny...Mel has no pressure, and no conflicting work orders. You guys kill me, Terry B.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on May 3, 2016 13:24:51 GMT -5
Mel Kiper reviewed of the Jet draft and he made a very good point when questioning why the same evaluators who criticize the Jets for using a 2d round pick on and FBS QB who was once regarded as a sure top 5 pick also love the selection of an FCS QB with the second overall pick in the entire draft. He felt Hackenberg was a far better risk as a 2d round selection than Wentz as the second overall pick. That's why Mel makes the big bucks. I often have thought the some teams (the Browns mainly) would do well to fire their entire scouting department and simply tune in to ESPN and select whoever Mel says they should. lol, those poor scouts. common Sonny...Mel has no pressure, and no conflicting work orders. You guys kill me, Terry B. Terry, I didn't know they had internet access at the homeless shelter.
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Post by gman on May 3, 2016 13:30:20 GMT -5
A friend & I were talking about Geno today. He's in a very unique position. If they don't sign Fitz, he could be the Jets starter. If they do sign Fitz, the Jets could cut him. Personally, I think we sign Fitz and if Hack & Petty stay healthy through camp, Geno gets cut. That's $500K in dead money but $1M in cap savings. Pretty sure it's Petty's ass that's out the door if someone's gotta go. Until you're sure you've someone capable of being your #2, you don't cut Geno Not to mention Macc didn't event drop Petty's name once while talking about QBs If you're referring to the Rotoworld/Daily News article which I had posted last night, that was proven to be out of context as pointed out by Lith here: newyorkjetshampur.com/post/188478/thread
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Post by Paradis on May 3, 2016 13:41:29 GMT -5
Pretty sure it's Petty's ass that's out the door if someone's gotta go. Until you're sure you've someone capable of being your #2, you don't cut Geno Not to mention Macc didn't event drop Petty's name once while talking about QBs If you're referring to the Rotoworld/Daily News article which I had posted last night, that was proven to be out of context as pointed out by Lith here: newyorkjetshampur.com/post/188478/threadYa I saw that. I mean it's all to be taken with a grain of salt, right?... The real story - the one between the lines - is pretty clear IMO. Petty isn't a part of the future, unless he makes himself part of it. Something that seems less likely by the passing week I have no idea why Jets fans continue to keep his seat warm at the table. Bryce Pettys come and go every year. It's like some of you have never seen a 4th round QB on the roster before. Would I like him to succeed? of course!... But I'm not dumb. The tea leaves have been pretty clear.
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Post by Chesapeakejet on May 3, 2016 13:50:44 GMT -5
Ya I saw that. I mean it's all to be taken with a grain of salt, right?... The real story - the one between the lines - is pretty clear IMO. Petty isn't a part of the future, unless he makes himself part of it. Something that seems less likely by the passing week I have no idea why Jets fans continue to keep his seat warm at the table. Bryce Pettys come and go every year. It's like some of you have never seen a 4th round QB on the roster before. Would I like him to succeed? of course!... But I'm not dumb. The tea leaves have been pretty clear. Not as clear as you might think. Geno is a known quantity, much to his detriment. If I were coach/GM, I would want to see Petty in a real game before I cut him loose.
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Post by crossfire on May 3, 2016 13:51:46 GMT -5
That's true about Mac not mentioning Petty. This rumor has been mentioned quite a few times by people that obviously didn't listen to the interview. Not only did he mention him, (@ the 11:00 mark of the Michael Kay interview) but he said he liked him a lot. One thing he he would not commit to though was having Geno as the starter even if they didn't sign Fitz. And that says a lot about how he feels about Geno. So I'll stick with my comments about Geno being the odd man out. apparently national media disagrees with you: Still don't get why you guys all don't want a cheap, high ceiling back up like Geno... most here continue to worship Macc at every turn... well if he wanted Geno gone, he'd gone already. He's a much better candidate to start games if Fitz is not here/hurt than Hack or Petty in 2016 The national media disagrees with me??? Well, then the I guess I can prove the "national media" are a bunch of ignorant morons who don't know their ass from their elbow. Not sure which outlet of the "national media" that you quoted there but it's some pretty fucking shitty reporting since not only DID he mention Petty...not only DID he say that he liked him a lot... but I literally pointed out the exact mark of the Michael Kay Show podcast... the 11 minute mark... Where Mac said it. But I guess people can believe bullshit if they want to.
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Post by JetBidi on May 3, 2016 13:52:29 GMT -5
heck genot started 3 seasons ago as a rookie and so did sanchez No offense, but how'd that turn out? No one here is wishing Hackenberg's career goes the route of Geno's and Sanchez's.
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Post by Paradis on May 3, 2016 13:57:13 GMT -5
The Petty fan club is nearing Ratliff-esque levels of benign worship.... And that's cool I guess. Most of his fans appear to have only watched his YouTube highlight videos. He's CFL quarterback.
Anyway I hope I'm wrong, but I'm probably not.
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Post by DowNY on May 3, 2016 13:58:21 GMT -5
heck genot started 3 seasons ago as a rookie and so did sanchez No offense, but how'd that turn out? No one here sis wishing Hackenberg's career goes the route of Geno's and Sanchez's. Yeah but look how Derek Carr's career started with the horrible Oakland. Can't let recent history dictate all of the future. Risky but you never know. With that said, unless Hack shows some unbelievable star potential QB play before the season, I think he should sit a bit & soak up all the info he can.
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Post by JetBidi on May 3, 2016 14:02:22 GMT -5
Yeah but look how Derek Carr's career started with the horrible Oakland. Can't let recent history dictate all of the future. Risky but you never know. With that said, unless Hack shows some unbelievable star potential QB play before the season, I think he should sit a bit & soak up all the info he can. I agree with you that you can't be scared to start a QB because of the past, but by all accounts Hackenberg is not only a rookie prospect, but one that has to be fixed before he can start. Kid has a good arm and is really smart. If he could turn into Chad with an arm, I think all of our prayers would be answered. But the kid has major accuracy issues that have to be corrected (can you correct accuracy? Hopefully). But by all means, if he blows people away in camp (ala Russell Wilson) then start him.
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Post by Paradis on May 3, 2016 14:06:53 GMT -5
now maybe i'm just too much of a homer to not think the impossible can come true but hackenberg could be the starter this season. . You're definitely suffering from homerism. You know why Hack was available at pick #51? Because he's broken, I don't know any universe where the best rehab for being broken is baptism by fire in the NFL. You'd have to be fighting off downs to think that's gonna pay off. Guys, it's hard enough to hit a home run with "sure thing" QB prospects let alone broken ones. The prudent thing to do is not even dress the bastard in 2016.
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Post by Jets Things on May 3, 2016 14:13:55 GMT -5
now maybe i'm just too much of a homer to not think the impossible can come true but hackenberg could be the starter this season. . You're definitely suffering from homerism. You know why Hack was available at pick #51? Because he's broken, I don't know any universe where the best rehab for being broken is baptism by fire in the NFL. You'd have to be fighting off downs to think that's gonna pay off. Guys, it's hard enough to hit a home run with "sure thing" QB prospects let alone broken ones. The prudent thing to do is not even dress the bastard in 2016. Hey dickhead, some posters here have family members with special needs. Consider this your first and last warning. If I see another comment of this nature from you, you're looking at a lengthy ban.
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