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Post by TRUE Jet Fan on May 9, 2016 13:09:53 GMT -5
The Jets D and playmakers on offense will be good enough to keep them in every game on the schedule. I don't understand where all this "sky is falling" hysteria is coming from. I bet the teams that you guys are all worried about are worrying about the Jets just as much.
Every team in the league knows that the Jets are a really solid QB away from being dangerous. Fitz isn't great or a sure bet, but he's the closest thing we have to a decent game manager who can make the right plays. We really, really need to re-sign Fitz seeing as Geno obviously sucks and the rookies are a huge question mark right now.
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Post by beerfish on May 9, 2016 13:25:17 GMT -5
I give a really big shit about Fitz. If Geno smith ends up being the 'mentor' for Hackenburg we can bury him right here and now.
The Jets are doing just what they should do. Give a near best offer and wait. If they can't get him signed so be it but be ready for a HORROR show at QB again this year after one year of decent production.
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Post by JetBidi on May 9, 2016 14:36:17 GMT -5
Our cap space is just going to chill anyway might as well sign him for 1 year. Right now our cap space is -$2.1M which means we can't even pay the guys we have on the team right now. Adding Fitz adds (subtracts) another $7M, 8M, 9M, 10M, whatever
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on May 9, 2016 15:03:42 GMT -5
#NoShitzForFitz
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Post by thebigragu on May 9, 2016 18:55:11 GMT -5
I don't like underachieving over expecting assholes. He single handily fucked us up the ass in Buffalo last year with the playoffs on the line after beating the fucking patriots and to rex fucking ryan. It's unfortunate unforgettable and unforgivable. Lot of fucking U'ssss. Fuck him. Different game different feelings and probably a Legend around here forever. Gfy fitz. Actions have consequences in LIFE
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Post by Paradis on May 9, 2016 20:48:10 GMT -5
I give a really big shit about Fitz. If Geno smith ends up being the 'mentor' for Hackenburg we can bury him right here and now. The Jets are doing just what they should do. Give a near best offer and wait. If they can't get him signed so be it but be ready for a HORROR show at QB again this year after one year of decent production. You've (quietly) been one of Geno's biggest detractors... and while his past idiocy is deserving of shame, you take it another level. Quite frankly, he hasn't been as bad you're letting on. As a Jets fan, we've all have seen chronic bad play at QB - and Geno (for all his dumb mistakes) is still light years better than some of the trash that's been in green and white. Under Rex Ryan, a lot of players acted like idiots and made mistakes. Is it a really a shock that Geno didn't turn out like an altar boy? ********** <--- My sister Anyway, if he was thought of as poorly by Bowles as many of you think - he'd already be cut. But he hasn't been cut. AND he hasn't been the source of any negativity either. Like it or lump it, but he's still for a reason.... And I'm sure as shit not paying 10+ million dollars so Fitz can regurgitate what Gailey said and pat Hack on the ass from time to time. That's ludicrous. Yes, mentors are nice - but Fitz isn't asking for mentor money - so fuck him and his shitty arm. Look around people. Are Jets fans crying over Fitz? No... cause we all know what he is. A backup. I really don't think this regime has a lot to lose by pitting Geno and Petty against each other with Hackenberg in the wings.
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Post by RobR on May 9, 2016 21:23:01 GMT -5
I give a really big shit about Fitz. If Geno smith ends up being the 'mentor' for Hackenburg we can bury him right here and now. The Jets are doing just what they should do. Give a near best offer and wait. If they can't get him signed so be it but be ready for a HORROR show at QB again this year after one year of decent production. You've (quietly) been one of Geno's biggest detractors... and while his past idiocy is deserving of shame, you take it another level. Quite frankly, he hasn't been as bad you're letting on. As a Jets fan, we've all have seen chronic bad play at QB - and Geno (for all his dumb mistakes) is still light years better than some of the trash that's been in green and white. Under Rex Ryan, a lot of players acted like idiots and made mistakes. Is it a really a shock that Geno didn't turn out like an altar boy? ********** <--- My sister Anyway, if he was thought of as poorly by Bowles as many of you think - he'd already be cut. But he hasn't been cut. AND he hasn't been the source of any negativity either. Like it or lump it, but he's still for a reason.... And I'm sure as shit not paying 10+ million dollars so Fitz can regurgitate what Gailey said and pat Hack on the ass from time to time. That's ludicrous. Yes, mentors are nice - but Fitz isn't asking for mentor money - so fuck him and his shitty arm. Look around people. Are Jets fans crying over Fitz? No... cause we all know what he is. A backup. I really don't think this regime has a lot to lose by pitting Geno and Petty against each other with Hackenberg in the wings. Good post and your sister has a killer ass.
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Post by Hotman on May 9, 2016 21:24:02 GMT -5
I give a really big shit about Fitz. If Geno smith ends up being the 'mentor' for Hackenburg we can bury him right here and now. The Jets are doing just what they should do. Give a near best offer and wait. If they can't get him signed so be it but be ready for a HORROR show at QB again this year after one year of decent production. You've (quietly) been one of Geno's biggest detractors... and while his past idiocy is deserving of shame, you take it another level. Quite frankly, he hasn't been as bad you're letting on. As a Jets fan, we've all have seen chronic bad play at QB - and Geno (for all his dumb mistakes) is still light years better than some of the trash that's been in green and white. Under Rex Ryan, a lot of players acted like idiots and made mistakes. Is it a really a shock that Geno didn't turn out like an altar boy? ********** <--- My sister Anyway, if he was thought of as poorly by Bowles as many of you think - he'd already be cut. But he hasn't been cut. AND he hasn't been the source of any negativity either. Like it or lump it, but he's still for a reason.... And I'm sure as shit not paying 10+ million dollars so Fitz can regurgitate what Gailey said and pat Hack on the ass from time to time. That's ludicrous. Yes, mentors are nice - but Fitz isn't asking for mentor money - so fuck him and his shitty arm. Look around people. Are Jets fans crying over Fitz? No... cause we all know what he is. A backup. I really don't think this regime has a lot to lose by pitting Geno and Petty against each other with Hackenberg in the wings. Paradis, I just notice your bust in your avatar with the hampur shirt... Thats you?? You're a lady, m'lady??
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Post by jets.penguin on May 9, 2016 21:53:02 GMT -5
I have been giving this some thought and I'm starting to believe the front office despite it's promises to the contrary have no intention of signing Fitz. Geno was slated to be the starter last year....he is on a relatively low salary this year....The front office cannot just flat out tell Fitz to kick rocks because the fan base would lose its nut but it can offer a below average offer that they can assume he wont take and leak that offer to the press to make it look like their actions match their words about wanting him back. I think while Marshall has bloviated all about Fitz, he was also all over Geno's dick when he first got here and we were a good offense last year with two additional possibilities coming off injury with WR Smith and TE Amaro.
This offense with Geno running it might actually be better. Yes he made some bone head moves but he wasnt expected to be great right out the gate. In fact for you short term memory readers he was said to have not played for a pro style offense and needed a few years before he was ready. He got thrown into action when Sanchez went down. He had shyt around him for a team and he wasnt ready to begin with. Its been what 3 years? he is a cheap alternative to Fitz with a better team around him and the management staff need to evaluate what they have in him before he too is a free agent and all we are left with is 2 more young QB's, neither of which are ready to play. Geno may not be great but no GM in his right mind lets a cheap, young QB with starter experience and yes still some potential walk while on his rookie contract. If you truly believe that Big Mac is a good GM with half a brain then you should already have figured out that is NOT happening.
If you put aside your personal feelings and think it through it makes the most sense to keep up the mantra about wanting Fitz on the team all the while not offering anything close to what he wants. We are not gutting half the team to pay Fitz and after all this time he is not swallowing his pride to come crawling back for 7-8 mil. What makes the most sense based on what I am seeing is for the team to wait it out until the natives get restless and start a "Fuck Fitz" thread and start flying banners about moving on and when the time is right announce that they had to move on in the best interest of and fairness to the team.
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Post by jett on May 9, 2016 22:12:52 GMT -5
Our cap space is just going to chill anyway might as well sign him for 1 year. Right now our cap space is -$2.1M which means we can't even pay the guys we have on the team right now. Adding Fitz adds (subtracts) another $7M, 8M, 9M, 10M, whatever I understand this but we can get under just fine. They've said Decker could take a paycut, cut Gia, cut folk, and we will be there.
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Post by Paradis on May 10, 2016 1:18:19 GMT -5
You've (quietly) been one of Geno's biggest detractors... and while his past idiocy is deserving of shame, you take it another level. Quite frankly, he hasn't been as bad you're letting on. As a Jets fan, we've all have seen chronic bad play at QB - and Geno (for all his dumb mistakes) is still light years better than some of the trash that's been in green and white. Under Rex Ryan, a lot of players acted like idiots and made mistakes. Is it a really a shock that Geno didn't turn out like an altar boy? ********** <--- My sister Anyway, if he was thought of as poorly by Bowles as many of you think - he'd already be cut. But he hasn't been cut. AND he hasn't been the source of any negativity either. Like it or lump it, but he's still for a reason.... And I'm sure as shit not paying 10+ million dollars so Fitz can regurgitate what Gailey said and pat Hack on the ass from time to time. That's ludicrous. Yes, mentors are nice - but Fitz isn't asking for mentor money - so fuck him and his shitty arm. Look around people. Are Jets fans crying over Fitz? No... cause we all know what he is. A backup. I really don't think this regime has a lot to lose by pitting Geno and Petty against each other with Hackenberg in the wings. Paradis, I just notice your bust in your avatar with the hampur shirt... Thats you?? You're a lady, m'lady?? Yea, not quite. Some nights I wish.... That avatar is my wife. I told her I needed a rack shot for the site. Back to the topic -- off what jets.penguin said, he's making a lot of good points in the same vein as how i'm mentally justifying the whole situation... a situation that I can't actually think of any similar instances in the past. A QB that wanted to play here, a GM that wanted him back, and a team that wants him back.... in a league where no else wants him? How fucked up is that?!
Fitz was the good guy. Then Macc was. ...now, neither? How does this even possibly dissipate without Fitz resigning? Like he actually retires over this squabble? What a mess. Save us Geno? lol.
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Post by Hotman on May 10, 2016 2:22:42 GMT -5
Paradis, I just notice your bust in your avatar with the hampur shirt... Thats you?? You're a lady, m'lady?? Yea, not quite. Some nights I wish.... That avatar is my wife. I told her I needed a rack shot for the site. Back to the topic -- off what jets.penguin said, he's making a lot of good points in the same vein as how i'm mentally justifying the whole situation... a situation that I can't actually think of any similar instances in the past. A QB that wanted to play here, a GM that wanted him back, and a team that wants him back.... in a league where no else wants him? How fucked up is that?!
Fitz was the good guy. Then Macc was. ...now, neither? How does this even possibly dissipate without Fitz resigning? Like he actually retires over this squabble? What a mess. Save us Geno? lol. Mac is being responsible. He's not bad at all. He is the one who has given Fitz all these shots... Well I'm assuming he was part of whatever brought him to Houston but he knows what he is willing to pay. Dude can't throw a deep ball and has limitations. If he wants to come back on another backup QB contract then fine. If not, he can either take the deal or not make another dime in the NFL most likely. Me I'd take that 7-8M whatever it is, before it turns into 2-3. I don't think it's a mess at all. I think it is Fitz and his agents trying to cash in on the Jets prior misfortunes and total ineptitude on offense. Fitz doesn't deserve to be rewarded for last year. He shit himself when it counted the most. Like Ragu said, he could have been a legend and he choked. In his old house. Against our fuckin joke of a former coach. Sorry, you don't get rewarded for that bullshit. At best the guy is a bridge until either Petty or Hack is ready. And if Geno needs to get his ass kicked some more while we wait for one of them to be ready then so be it. I'd rather see Fitz start this year, and I fully expect him to, but there really is no need for him to hurry up and sign anything between now and TC. Dude can just step into this system like nothing. But he ain't gonna make or break shit. He needs us a lot more than we need him. PS i'll refrain from commending on your wife's rack
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Post by jets.penguin on May 10, 2016 6:33:06 GMT -5
I just found it odd that since this regime has taken over nothing leaks to the press...........and I mean NOTHING....but somehow the contract offer somehow got out there. We never know who they are going to pick until they pick them, we never know who they are going to sign before they sign them. We have no clue about any details of any others player's contract ahead of time but somehow this 7-8 million number made it to the press? It just sounds out of character based on everything I have seen so far. This group doesn't negotiate in the press any other time, why now?
Maybe I'm wrong but I smell a rat
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Post by crossfire on May 10, 2016 12:33:25 GMT -5
Anyway, if he was thought of as poorly by Bowles as many of you think - he'd already be cut. But he hasn't been cut. Why on earth would they cut him? It makes zero business sense and serves no purpose because they would save zero dollars. He gets $1.08M if he is on the roster and is a dead money hit of $500K if he is cut. Why wouldn't they bring him through camp at the very least? Even if they don't like him, one of the other QBs could go down with an injury. You know... like a broken jaw. And if nothing else, he's a negotiating ploy against Fitz. And if Fitz isn't signed and the Jets didn't go out and get another QB, Geno would be the backup at the very least. Listen, I'm not saying Geno won't be the opening day starter. I still doubt it but even if they think he sucks, it would be stupid to cut him. Again, I think Mac is playing this very well. He is in no rush. He and Bowles clearly prefer Fitz to Geno. I think that's unquestionable. They just want him at their price. Which is a lot more than Geno is making. And I agree with you about Fitz... he's a backup. I've been saying since long before he got here. But just think about that... Mac has publically stated that he wants Fitz. And he is willing to pay Fitz 7X more money than Geno... when he already has Geno. That says a lot about how they feel about him.
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Post by yankeejet22 on May 10, 2016 12:59:22 GMT -5
Anyway, if he was thought of as poorly by Bowles as many of you think - he'd already be cut. But he hasn't been cut. Why on earth would they cut him? It makes zero business sense and serves no purpose because they would save zero dollars. He gets $1.08M if he is on the roster and is a dead money hit of $500K if he is cut. Why wouldn't they bring him through camp at the very least? Even if they don't like him, one of the other QBs could go down with an injury. You know... like a broken jaw. And if nothing else, he's a negotiating ploy against Fitz. And if Fitz isn't signed and the Jets didn't go out and get another QB, Geno would be the backup at the very least. Listen, I'm not saying Geno won't be the opening day starter. I still doubt it but even if they think he sucks, it would be stupid to cut him. Again, I think Mac is playing this very well. He is in no rush. He and Bowles clearly prefer Fitz to Geno. I think that's unquestionable. They just want him at their price. Which is a lot more than Geno is making. And I agree with you about Fitz... he's a backup. I've been saying since long before he got here. But just think about that... Mac has publically stated that he wants Fitz. And he is willing to pay Fitz 7X more money than Geno... when he already has Geno. That says a lot about how they feel about him. me thinks that Bowles is the one that's pushing hard for a Fitz return. I think that Big Mac would prefer to move on without him.
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