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Post by Paradis on May 10, 2016 13:31:09 GMT -5
Anyway, if he was thought of as poorly by Bowles as many of you think - he'd already be cut. But he hasn't been cut. Why on earth would they cut him? It makes zero business sense and serves no purpose because they would save zero dollars. He gets $1.08M if he is on the roster and is a dead money hit of $500K if he is cut. Why wouldn't they bring him through camp at the very least? Even if they don't like him, one of the other QBs could go down with an injury. You know... like a broken jaw.  And if nothing else, he's a negotiating ploy against Fitz. And if Fitz isn't signed and the Jets didn't go out and get another QB, Geno would be the backup at the very least. Listen, I'm not saying Geno won't be the opening day starter. I still doubt it but even if they think he sucks, it would be stupid to cut him. Again, I think Mac is playing this very well. He is in no rush. He and Bowles clearly prefer Fitz to Geno. I think that's unquestionable. They just want him at their price. Which is a lot more than Geno is making. And I agree with you about Fitz... he's a backup. I've been saying since long before he got here. But just think about that... Mac has publically stated that he wants Fitz. And he is willing to pay Fitz 7X more money than Geno... when he already has Geno. That says a lot about how they feel about him. I agree. I think you may have misunderstood what I meant. People treat his presence on the roster as tho it's a glitch. But clearly it isn't. Ultimately if all things were equal, Fitz on the roster makes sense, but things aren't equal and in order to have him here as a "figure head" it's going to cost us. A lot apparently. And if there's one constant in Fitz' career, it's that he's inconsistent. Flashes for a year now and then. In other words I'm not convinced the juice is worth the squeeze. Statistically we might even fair better with Geno |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on May 10, 2016 14:02:29 GMT -5
I give a really big shit about Fitz. If Geno smith ends up being the 'mentor' for Hackenburg we can bury him right here and now. The Jets are doing just what they should do. Give a near best offer and wait. If they can't get him signed so be it but be ready for a HORROR show at QB again this year after one year of decent production. What makes you think Fitz would be a good mentor for Hackenburg? They are totally different players physically. Besides that what would Hack learn from Fitz? - Never throw a deep ball, but if you do be sure to underthrow it.
- Never throw a spiral.
- Be careless with the ball especially when you play Buffalo.
- If Marshall is doubled and Decker is running free, throw the ball to Marshall but make sure it is behind him and low.
- Don't slide feet first.
Seriously, I need some help here. What in the world is a journeyman QB supposed to teach to the Jet's (or any team's) QB of the future. He had one good season against the easiest schedule in the NFL and failed to lead his team to the playoffs. He constantly forced throws into coverage and is not, contrary to beliefs based on his Harvard education, anything special when it comes to reading D's and making calls. He is the least desirable "starting" QB in the NFL (the market has spoken), and many, many teams have #2 QB's that are preferable to him. In fact, the Eagles have 3 QB's that teams would prefer! If Hack is has to watch Fitz play for a season he could only conclude "if this guy is good, they're going to rename the Lombardi Trophy after me." |
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Post by 2foolish on May 10, 2016 14:03:22 GMT -5
i'd rather not...pressure is on Fitz...if i was Jets i would actually lower offer... if Fitz is waiting for an injury or something else he's not gonna get anywhere near the money he wants...
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Post by crossfire on May 10, 2016 16:43:38 GMT -5
Why on earth would they cut him? It makes zero business sense and serves no purpose because they would save zero dollars. He gets $1.08M if he is on the roster and is a dead money hit of $500K if he is cut. Why wouldn't they bring him through camp at the very least? Even if they don't like him, one of the other QBs could go down with an injury. You know... like a broken jaw. And if nothing else, he's a negotiating ploy against Fitz. And if Fitz isn't signed and the Jets didn't go out and get another QB, Geno would be the backup at the very least. Listen, I'm not saying Geno won't be the opening day starter. I still doubt it but even if they think he sucks, it would be stupid to cut him. Again, I think Mac is playing this very well. He is in no rush. He and Bowles clearly prefer Fitz to Geno. I think that's unquestionable. They just want him at their price. Which is a lot more than Geno is making. And I agree with you about Fitz... he's a backup. I've been saying since long before he got here. But just think about that... Mac has publically stated that he wants Fitz. And he is willing to pay Fitz 7X more money than Geno... when he already has Geno. That says a lot about how they feel about him. I agree. I think you may have misunderstood what I meant. People treat his presence on the roster as tho it's a glitch. But clearly it isn't. Ultimately if all things were equal, Fitz on the roster makes sense, but things aren't equal and in order to have him here as a "figure head" it's going to cost us. A lot apparently. And if there's one constant in Fitz' career, it's that he's inconsistent. Flashes for a year now and then. In other words I'm not convinced the juice is worth the squeeze. Statistically we might even fair better with Geno Ok... MY BAD.... THIS I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH!!! |
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Post by jordy on May 10, 2016 16:48:37 GMT -5
My wife loves Fitzy. And she's never expressed any predilection for a QB before. That's all I need to know. Bring back The Beard for 1 yr/$10M. Get it done Tanny, I mean Mac.
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Post by crossfire on May 10, 2016 17:36:11 GMT -5
I give a really big shit about Fitz. If Geno smith ends up being the 'mentor' for Hackenburg we can bury him right here and now. The Jets are doing just what they should do. Give a near best offer and wait. If they can't get him signed so be it but be ready for a HORROR show at QB again this year after one year of decent production. What makes you think Fitz would be a good mentor for Hackenburg? They are totally different players physically. Besides that what would Hack learn from Fitz? - Never throw a deep ball, but if you do be sure to underthrow it.
- Never throw a spiral.
- Be careless with the ball especially when you play Buffalo.
- If Marshall is doubled and Decker is running free, throw the ball to Marshall but make sure it is behind him and low.
- Don't slide feet first.
Seriously, I need some help here. What in the world is a journeyman QB supposed to teach to the Jet's (or any team's) QB of the future. He had one good season against the easiest schedule in the NFL and failed to lead his team to the playoffs. He constantly forced throws into coverage and is not, contrary to beliefs based on his Harvard education, anything special when it comes to reading D's and making calls. He is the least desirable "starting" QB in the NFL (the market has spoken), and many, many teams have #2 QB's that are preferable to him. In fact, the Eagles have 3 QB's that teams would prefer! If Hack is has to watch Fitz play for a season he could only conclude "if this guy is good, they're going to rename the Lombardi Trophy after me." Again, I'm not a Fitz fan and never was. But I understand your point. I guess for me, I want Hack & Petty to sit on the bench and learn. Hopefully one of them is the future. And I agree that Fitz is not the best role model. But there is one things about him that I do respect. He is a smart guy and he seems willing to teach the young guys. Yeah, all of your points are valid. But sometimes those who can't do, teach. A perfect scenario? Of course not! It's the Jets QB! But I do think there is something to be said for some stability in the QB position. Some may feel differently, but I don't see Geno as ever being our future starter. So I'd like to see things stay staus quo for one more year. That is, if Fitz signs at a reasonable price. |
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Post by crossfire on May 10, 2016 17:38:15 GMT -5
My wife loves Fitzy. And she's never expressed any predilection for a QB before. That's all I need to know. Bring back The Beard for 1 yr/$10M. Get it done Tanny, I mean Mac. I don't think he's worth that much but I do think that's where they will likely meet. |
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on May 10, 2016 19:37:23 GMT -5
My wife loves Fitzy. And she's never expressed any predilection for a QB before. That's all I need to know. Bring back The Beard for 1 yr/$10M. Get it done Tanny, I mean Mac. What does she like about him? |
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Post by Raoul Duke on May 11, 2016 3:26:10 GMT -5
I'm not worried about the stalemate. It's making headlines but only because there's really nothing else to talk about. I'm sure Fitz is sipping margaritas somewhere cuz he knows he'll play here next year.
That being said I don't like that it's taken this long.
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Post by Harrier on May 11, 2016 6:39:04 GMT -5
Take it away Bart....
"Fitz don't have a leg to stand on, man. He is who he is. You can have great teams and great records, but at this point, pretty much everybody knows who he is. On another 20 teams in the league, he would be a backup. The only teams that he would start for are the teams that have bad quarterback situations. He's a bridge guy, a glue guy."
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Post by carlito1171 on May 11, 2016 8:38:31 GMT -5
What makes you think Fitz would be a good mentor for Hackenburg? They are totally different players physically. Besides that what would Hack learn from Fitz? - Never throw a deep ball, but if you do be sure to underthrow it.
- Never throw a spiral.
- Be careless with the ball especially when you play Buffalo.
- If Marshall is doubled and Decker is running free, throw the ball to Marshall but make sure it is behind him and low.
- Don't slide feet first.
Seriously, I need some help here. What in the world is a journeyman QB supposed to teach to the Jet's (or any team's) QB of the future. He had one good season against the easiest schedule in the NFL and failed to lead his team to the playoffs. He constantly forced throws into coverage and is not, contrary to beliefs based on his Harvard education, anything special when it comes to reading D's and making calls. He is the least desirable "starting" QB in the NFL (the market has spoken), and many, many teams have #2 QB's that are preferable to him. In fact, the Eagles have 3 QB's that teams would prefer! If Hack is has to watch Fitz play for a season he could only conclude "if this guy is good, they're going to rename the Lombardi Trophy after me."Again, I'm not a Fitz fan and never was. But I understand your point. I guess for me, I want Hack & Petty to sit on the bench and learn. Hopefully one of them is the future. And I agree that Fitz is not the best role model. But there is one things about him that I do respect. He is a smart guy and he seems willing to teach the young guys. Yeah, all of your points are valid. But sometimes those who can't do, teach. A perfect scenario? Of course not! It's the Jets QB! But I do think there is something to be said for some stability in the QB position. Some may feel differently, but I don't see Geno as ever being our future starter. So I'd like to see things stay staus quo for one more year. That is, if Fitz signs at a reasonable price. This is coming from someone who didn't like Fitz until those string of games we won at the end of the year, but fans severely underrate having a veteran presence to mentor them in the locker room. Having good coaching is one thing, but having one of your peers who go out in the trenches with you on a weekly basis take you under their wing is very valuable...not a necessity, but very valuable. And it's more then just watching someone else play the position and model your game after them...it's about the little things...grasping the playbook, how to be a pro, how to prepare for Sunday, how to balance work and home, and dealing with other off the field things football players go through... |
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Post by jordy on May 11, 2016 9:21:32 GMT -5
My wife loves Fitzy. And she's never expressed any predilection for a QB before. That's all I need to know. Bring back The Beard for 1 yr/$10M. Get it done Tanny, I mean Mac. What does she like about him? She just likes the way he plays. Especially when he takes off and runs and takes on tacklers. She's likes her men a little crazy.  |
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Post by Peebag on May 11, 2016 10:47:21 GMT -5
where are we going to get the cash?
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Post by HawkeyeJet on May 11, 2016 11:35:07 GMT -5
where are we going to get the cash? Restructures of current deals, maybe even a vet Cut if a young guy steps up somewhere. The good thing about Fitz is they can let him twist in the wind for quite awhile. He doesn't need to be back until training camp, or even mid/late training camp, to be back up to speed. |
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on May 11, 2016 13:37:12 GMT -5
This is coming from someone who didn't like Fitz until those string of games we won at the end of the year, but fans severely underrate having a veteran presence to mentor them in the locker room. Having good coaching is one thing, but having one of your peers who go out in the trenches with you on a weekly basis take you under their wing is very valuable...not a necessity, but very valuable. And it's more then just watching someone else play the position and model your game after them...it's about the little things...grasping the playbook, how to be a pro, how to prepare for Sunday, how to balance work and home, and dealing with other off the field things football players go through... The thing is though it seems Christian has done a lot of this on his own already, so I wonder just how worth it would be given the uncertainty of Fitz and the lack of money to pay him with |
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