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Post by carlito1171 on May 11, 2016 13:51:12 GMT -5
This is coming from someone who didn't like Fitz until those string of games we won at the end of the year, but fans severely underrate having a veteran presence to mentor them in the locker room. Having good coaching is one thing, but having one of your peers who go out in the trenches with you on a weekly basis take you under their wing is very valuable...not a necessity, but very valuable. And it's more then just watching someone else play the position and model your game after them...it's about the little things...grasping the playbook, how to be a pro, how to prepare for Sunday, how to balance work and home, and dealing with other off the field things football players go through... The thing is though it seems Christian has done a lot of this on his own already, so I wonder just how worth it would be given the uncertainty of Fitz and the lack of money to pay him with As far as the lack of money to pay him with, I'm against paying Fitz even a dollar over whatever the current offer is on the table. Basically take it or leave it. We have to create cap just to sign him to the deal on the table so imagine having to clear 12 mil in cap just to meet Fitz somewhere in the middle of what he's asking? I'm not a fan of that at all. I'm just speaking on the prospect of having a seasoned vet in the QB room with Hackenburg(and Petty for that matter). It would be valuable for their growth, not a necessity, but valuable. And yes Hack has done a lot of work on his own to improve, and he deserves credit for that, but there is no comparison to actual live bullets flying in a NFL program(which Hack has yet to participate in). It would help him to have a vet for support but not at 10-12mil dollars this season. That is borderline franchise QB money, not "hold the fort down and mentor" money.....
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Post by Sonny Werblin on May 11, 2016 16:16:30 GMT -5
The thing is though it seems Christian has done a lot of this on his own already, so I wonder just how worth it would be given the uncertainty of Fitz and the lack of money to pay him with As far as the lack of money to pay him with, I'm against paying Fitz even a dollar over whatever the current offer is on the table. Basically take it or leave it. We have to create cap just to sign him to the deal on the table so imagine having to clear 12 mil in cap just to meet Fitz somewhere in the middle of what he's asking? I'm not a fan of that at all. I'm just speaking on the prospect of having a seasoned vet in the QB room with Hackenburg(and Petty for that matter). It would be valuable for their growth, not a necessity, but valuable. And yes Hack has done a lot of work on his own to improve, and he deserves credit for that, but there is no comparison to actual live bullets flying in a NFL program(which Hack has yet to participate in). It would help him to have a vet for support but not at 10-12mil dollars this season. That is borderline franchise QB money, not "hold the fort down and mentor" money..... I'm not into the whole seasoned vet in the QB room thing. I'd rather let Chan Gailey mold Hack with as little outside influence as possible. It is not very often that a really good offensive coach has a QB with real ability and a work ethic fall into his lap. I want him to do things Chan's way, not Fitz's way.
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Post by carlito1171 on May 11, 2016 21:20:02 GMT -5
As far as the lack of money to pay him with, I'm against paying Fitz even a dollar over whatever the current offer is on the table. Basically take it or leave it. We have to create cap just to sign him to the deal on the table so imagine having to clear 12 mil in cap just to meet Fitz somewhere in the middle of what he's asking? I'm not a fan of that at all. I'm just speaking on the prospect of having a seasoned vet in the QB room with Hackenburg(and Petty for that matter). It would be valuable for their growth, not a necessity, but valuable. And yes Hack has done a lot of work on his own to improve, and he deserves credit for that, but there is no comparison to actual live bullets flying in a NFL program(which Hack has yet to participate in). It would help him to have a vet for support but not at 10-12mil dollars this season. That is borderline franchise QB money, not "hold the fort down and mentor" money..... I'm not into the whole seasoned vet in the QB room thing. I'd rather let Chan Gailey mold Hack with as little outside influence as possible. It is not very often that a really good offensive coach has a QB with real ability and a work ethic fall into his lap. I want him to do things Chan's way, not Fitz's way. I don't necessarily think this situation is about doing things "anyone's way"....Hack will do what the coaches ask of him...but I just see a value in having a veteran who's been there done that, and can just support him in becoming a pro..the little things, getting use to being a professional athlete on and off the field. Again it's not a necessity..but I bet any player who's now a vet wishes they had someone older and more seasoned show them the ropes when they were rookies...
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Post by Harrier on May 12, 2016 8:29:05 GMT -5
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on May 12, 2016 9:13:29 GMT -5
Great company to be in there Fitz
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Post by Gunnails on May 12, 2016 10:24:22 GMT -5
I don't necessarily think this situation is about doing things "anyone's way"....Hack will do what the coaches ask of him...but I just see a value in having a veteran who's been there done that, and can just support him in becoming a pro..the little things, getting use to being a professional athlete on and off the field. Again it's not a necessity..but I bet any player who's now a vet wishes they had someone older and more seasoned show them the ropes when they were rookies... =================================================== Does the mentor have to be a QB, what about Mangold, Marshall, Decker, Revis, Harris, Mo, etc.
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Post by mrcoops on May 12, 2016 10:33:55 GMT -5
Sorry, Fitz. Geno went 8-8 throwing to no-one as a raw rookie unexpectedly thrown into the starting role due to Sanchez's Snoopy Bowl injury.
With a strong running game, massively improved receivers, and strong D, Geno can drive the bus. He'll drive it erratically all over the road and crash into a variety of static objects, but he will still drive it.
Either take deal on the table, Fitz, or I vote to move ahead with Geno, Petty and Hack.
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Post by carlito1171 on May 12, 2016 10:57:09 GMT -5
I don't necessarily think this situation is about doing things "anyone's way"....Hack will do what the coaches ask of him...but I just see a value in having a veteran who's been there done that, and can just support him in becoming a pro..the little things, getting use to being a professional athlete on and off the field. Again it's not a necessity..but I bet any player who's now a vet wishes they had someone older and more seasoned show them the ropes when they were rookies... =================================================== Does the mentor have to be a QB, what about Mangold, Marshall, Decker, Revis, Harris, Mo, etc. That's fair...but the QB room has a special bond. Like I said if he's sticking to these insane demands then he can go play in traffic, but in an ideal world a Vet QB mentor wouldn't hurt.
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Post by carlito1171 on May 12, 2016 11:01:34 GMT -5
Sorry, Fitz. Geno went 8-8 throwing to no-one as a raw rookie unexpectedly thrown into the starting role due to Sanchez's Snoopy Bowl injury. With a strong running game, massively improved receivers, and strong D, Geno can drive the bus. He'll drive it erratically all over the road and crash into a variety of static objects, but he will still drive it. Either take deal on the table, Fitz, or I vote to move ahead with Geno, Petty and Hack. Everyone on the board knows how much of a Geno fanboy I use to be....now it's different I really don't expect much of him...he doesn't play with a high football IQ and has proven to be immature in the locker room.. But I have to say....part of me does want to see what he can do with a (dare I say) loaded offense at the skill positions, Gailey's scheme, and a D with a really high ceiling. If he can't play competently under these conditions then he never will....
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Post by HawkeyeJet on May 12, 2016 11:12:55 GMT -5
Hackenberg's mentor needs to be Chan Gailey. Pure and Simple. Not Fitz, Not Geno, not anyone. He can learn the life of an NFL player from whoever, but from an on field maturation stand point, his mentor needs to be Gailey and Patullo. He needs to be connected at the hip and asking every question that comes in his head.
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Post by MDL JET on May 12, 2016 11:26:08 GMT -5
At what point do the Jets give this situation a deadline and just move on? Or will it be an open door till week 1? Feel like at some point they have to shut that noise out and shift everyones focus on the QBs there.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on May 12, 2016 11:26:40 GMT -5
=================================================== Does the mentor have to be a QB, what about Mangold, Marshall, Decker, Revis, Harris, Mo, etc. That's fair... but the QB room has a special bond. Like I said if he's sticking to these insane demands then he can go play in traffic, but in an ideal world a Vet QB mentor wouldn't hurt. Yes, where the starter and starter-in-waiting almost always dislike each other and/or resent management for putting them on the same team... See Montana and Young, Favre and Rodgers, Osweiler and Manning, etc.... shit Osweiler was so pissed off that he did not even consider re-signing with his SB champion team.
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Post by Chesapeakejet on May 12, 2016 11:53:34 GMT -5
Sorry, Fitz. Geno went 8-8 throwing to no-one as a raw rookie unexpectedly thrown into the starting role due to Sanchez's Snoopy Bowl injury. With a strong running game, massively improved receivers, and strong D, Geno can drive the bus. He'll drive it erratically all over the road and crash into a variety of static objects, but he will still drive it.
Either take deal on the table, Fitz, or I vote to move ahead with Geno, Petty and Hack.
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Post by Chesapeakejet on May 12, 2016 11:54:20 GMT -5
Then there's the Sam Bradford version......
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Post by carlito1171 on May 12, 2016 16:08:58 GMT -5
That's fair... but the QB room has a special bond. Like I said if he's sticking to these insane demands then he can go play in traffic, but in an ideal world a Vet QB mentor wouldn't hurt. Yes, where the starter and starter-in-waiting almost always dislike each other and/or resent management for putting them on the same team... See Montana and Young, Favre and Rodgers, Osweiler and Manning, etc.... shit Osweiler was so pissed off that he did not even consider re-signing with his SB champion team. Those are 3 examples out of the many positive relationships. Osweiler was in his 3rd year and had starts under his belt when he started bitching. You don't think he was a bit more humble his rookie year?...when he was a nobody trying to learn an NFL game? Farve was an egomaniac who wanted to hold onto the starting job until he croaked....Fitz would come here knowing his time is limited until one of the young kids step up... I think you're comparing apples and oranges here. No QB room is built equally...
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