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Post by Paradis on Sept 12, 2016 10:45:48 GMT -5
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Post by carlton on Sept 12, 2016 10:52:06 GMT -5
While I think it was closer to the PFF estimate, he just isn't playing a lot of pure press. I don't know if it's because his wrist is hurt or because he's lost a step or if it's a scheme thing, but I'd rather see him gamble in press then get dink and dunked for 100 fucking yards. (Green TD was obviously blown coverage. Thank you Marcus Williams.)
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Post by bxjetfan on Sept 12, 2016 10:56:43 GMT -5
It's like when the Bucs traded for Revis and put him in zone. I just want to see him try and do what he used to do. If he can't do it anymore then so be it.
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Post by mrcoops on Sept 12, 2016 11:22:08 GMT -5
The non-use of press-man when you have one of the greatest bump and run CBs in NFL history is rather odd.
Is it a coaching technique issue? Do the Jets think that Revis can't match up physically on bigger, stronger WRs any more? Is it the wrist injury?
It is strange though. A big part of Revis's greatness was his ability to physically dominate WRs at the line. He wore them down physically and broke them mentally. Remember the game against Dez Bryant a few years ago. Revis beat him up so bad at the LOS that Dez could barely run a route, let alone catch a pass, by the 2nd quarter.
Taking that away from Revis removes a key weapon from his armory, and effectively asks him to play with one arm behind his back.
I get why coaches sometimes don't like press-man. It is high risk, and it does remove any margin for error. Get beat at the line, and you have no cushion to recover and are probably going to get beat. But, with Revis, he was very rarely ever beat at the line. He dominated in press man like no-one else.
Revis can still be a good CB playing off-man and zone. But it's press-man that made him a great. And it's odd that the Jets don't seem to want to let him do it any more.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Sept 12, 2016 11:22:15 GMT -5
What do we know about Bowles' defensive philosophy (other than exotic DB arrangements)? Any truth to the rumor he does not like to use press coverage?
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Post by bxjetfan on Sept 12, 2016 12:22:04 GMT -5
What do we know about Bowles' defensive philosophy (other than exotic DB arrangements)? Any truth to the rumor he does not like to use press coverage? Bowles is married to the blitz. If he's blitzing a safety I can see why the DBs are dropping off. I'm not a tape guy and I'm not saying that's what is happening but it makes sense to me. With our Dline getting so much pressure I don't know that he has to blitz as much. I hope the guy can adjust his scheme to his personnel.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Sept 13, 2016 4:41:47 GMT -5
The non-use of press-man when you have one of the greatest bump and run CBs in NFL history is rather odd.Is it a coaching technique issue? Do the Jets think that Revis can't match up physically on bigger, stronger WRs any more? Is it the wrist injury? It is strange though. A big part of Revis's greatness was his ability to physically dominate WRs at the line. He wore them down physically and broke them mentally. Remember the game against Dez Bryant a few years ago. Revis beat him up so bad at the LOS that Dez could barely run a route, let alone catch a pass, by the 2nd quarter. Taking that away from Revis removes a key weapon from his armory, and effectively asks him to play with one arm behind his back. I get why coaches sometimes don't like press-man. It is high risk, and it does remove any margin for error. Get beat at the line, and you have no cushion to recover and are probably going to get beat. But, with Revis, he was very rarely ever beat at the line. He dominated in press man like no-one else. Revis can still be a good CB playing off-man and zone. But it's press-man that made him a great. And it's odd that the Jets don't seem to want to let him do it any more. I don't see why fans are giving Revis a pass because they feel he wasn't "used" properly. He is supposed to be an elite CB in this league and is being paid accordingly. It shouldn't matter if he is playing press man or off man, sure he may be better while pressing his man, but there is still no excuse for getting torched like he did. Clearly Revis isn't the player he used to be and is vastly over paid right now. On a related non-Jets side note, how overrated is Josh Norman? I can see why Carolina didn't pay him. All that hype and money for a guy who can only play on defensive left side of the field?? If I am Jay Gruden and watching Antonio Brown kill me, I tell Norman to get his ass over there and cover him. I don't give a fuck what side of the field you are on, go play football. Not surprising that Washington was the team that overpaid him.
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Post by mrcoops on Sept 13, 2016 6:02:47 GMT -5
The non-use of press-man when you have one of the greatest bump and run CBs in NFL history is rather odd.Is it a coaching technique issue? Do the Jets think that Revis can't match up physically on bigger, stronger WRs any more? Is it the wrist injury? It is strange though. A big part of Revis's greatness was his ability to physically dominate WRs at the line. He wore them down physically and broke them mentally. Remember the game against Dez Bryant a few years ago. Revis beat him up so bad at the LOS that Dez could barely run a route, let alone catch a pass, by the 2nd quarter. Taking that away from Revis removes a key weapon from his armory, and effectively asks him to play with one arm behind his back. I get why coaches sometimes don't like press-man. It is high risk, and it does remove any margin for error. Get beat at the line, and you have no cushion to recover and are probably going to get beat. But, with Revis, he was very rarely ever beat at the line. He dominated in press man like no-one else. Revis can still be a good CB playing off-man and zone. But it's press-man that made him a great. And it's odd that the Jets don't seem to want to let him do it any more. I don't see why fans are giving Revis a pass because they feel he wasn't "used" properly. He is supposed to be an elite CB in this league and is being paid accordingly. It shouldn't matter if he is playing press man or off man, sure he may be better while pressing his man, but there is still no excuse for getting torched like he did. Clearly Revis isn't the player he used to be and is vastly over paid right now. On a related non-Jets side note, how overrated is Josh Norman? I can see why Carolina didn't pay him. All that hype and money for a guy who can only play on defensive left side of the field?? If I am Jay Gruden and watching Antonio Brown kill me, I tell Norman to get his ass over there and cover him. I don't give a fuck what side of the field you are on, go play football. Not surprising that Washington was the team that overpaid him. It's not giving him a pass - he had a poor game on Sunday, and has admitted as much himself. But don't you think it's right to question why the Jets would pay Revis $70M, in large part because of his past success as a physical, bump-and-run, Corner and then not let him play bump and run? It's like signing Jerry Rice and then telling him he can't run the slant, signing Brett Favre and telling him he can't throw long, or signing Barry Sanders and then telling him never to bounce a run outside. Why pay that much for a guy and then ask him to change what he is? On your side note : Yes - Norman is massively over-rated. A huge red flag when Carolina, the team that knew him best, refused to entertain his contract demands. He's a good corner, but he's far from the elite player level that he's now being paid at.
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Post by jdeacon on Sept 13, 2016 6:58:41 GMT -5
Some plays I will give revis a pass. He was in perfect coverage and Green made spectacular catches that no one would stop. On the long td revis was supposed to have coverage over the top. If gilcrhsit did his job that would have been an in completion or another amazing catch from green.
Regardless, Revis is looking like an old man out there that has lost more than two steps. Scary situation for the secondary.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Sept 13, 2016 8:21:29 GMT -5
What do we know about Bowles' defensive philosophy (other than exotic DB arrangements)? Any truth to the rumor he does not like to use press coverage? Bowles is married to the blitz. If he's blitzing a safety I can see why the DBs are dropping off. I'm not a tape guy and I'm not saying that's what is happening but it makes sense to me. With our Dline getting so much pressure I don't know that he has to blitz as much. I hope the guy can adjust his scheme to his personnel. It still does not make any sense. If your intention is to generate immediate QB pressure by blitzing a safety or LB, the correct move by an opposing QB is to go to a hot read and throw immediately to avoid the unblocked rusher. How do you stop a quick pass? Press Coverage, that's how. IMO, an "attacking" D that intends to pressure an Offense must rely heavily on press coverage because if you do not, you give the QB an easy pass completion for a few yards on every play where you will be applying extra pressure. I love Todd Bowles, but until I hear an explanation as to how it is effective to afford WR's a 5 to 10 yard cushion on a play of less than 3d and 10 yards to go where you intend to take a player from coverage and blitz the QB, I will have to believe that the coaches have near to Zero confidence in the secondary's ability to cover. It is starting look like that maybe, just maybe, the Jets should have at least entertained the idea of re-signing Cro. I think it is entirely likely that next season we will see Revis at FS with 2 starting CB's who are not currently on the roster. I sincerely hope that Mac/Bowles can revamp the secondary as fast as they did the LB corp.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Sept 13, 2016 9:43:02 GMT -5
Outside of the 1 54 yard TD catch(which gets credit to Revis on those stats, but was a coverage bust by someone else), the majority(if not all) of Greens damage against him were smoke screens or quick hits while in off coverage.
People are vastly overblowing how much Green dominated Revis. He exploited the Jets off coverage more than anything.
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Post by bxjetfan on Sept 13, 2016 10:44:57 GMT -5
Bowles is married to the blitz. If he's blitzing a safety I can see why the DBs are dropping off. I'm not a tape guy and I'm not saying that's what is happening but it makes sense to me. With our Dline getting so much pressure I don't know that he has to blitz as much. I hope the guy can adjust his scheme to his personnel. It still does not make any sense. If your intention is to generate immediate QB pressure by blitzing a safety or LB, the correct move by an opposing QB is to go to a hot read and throw immediately to avoid the unblocked rusher. How do you stop a quick pass? Press Coverage, that's how. IMO, an "attacking" D that intends to pressure an Offense must rely heavily on press coverage because if you do not, you give the QB an easy pass completion for a few yards on every play where you will be applying extra pressure. I love Todd Bowles, but until I hear an explanation as to how it is effective to afford WR's a 5 to 10 yard cushion on a play of less than 3d and 10 yards to go where you intend to take a player from coverage and blitz the QB, I will have to believe that the coaches have near to Zero confidence in the secondary's ability to cover. It is starting look like that maybe, just maybe, the Jets should have at least entertained the idea of re-signing Cro. I think it is entirely likely that next season we will see Revis at FS with 2 starting CB's who are not currently on the roster. I sincerely hope that Mac/Bowles can revamp the secondary as fast as they did the LB corp. Maybe he's worried about giving up the big play if the WR beats the press and would rather the DBs keep the play in front of them.
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Post by Ff2 on Sept 13, 2016 11:04:42 GMT -5
He has his ring and $42 million coming.
Its good to be him.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Sept 13, 2016 11:43:43 GMT -5
It still does not make any sense. If your intention is to generate immediate QB pressure by blitzing a safety or LB, the correct move by an opposing QB is to go to a hot read and throw immediately to avoid the unblocked rusher. How do you stop a quick pass? Press Coverage, that's how. IMO, an "attacking" D that intends to pressure an Offense must rely heavily on press coverage because if you do not, you give the QB an easy pass completion for a few yards on every play where you will be applying extra pressure. I love Todd Bowles, but until I hear an explanation as to how it is effective to afford WR's a 5 to 10 yard cushion on a play of less than 3d and 10 yards to go where you intend to take a player from coverage and blitz the QB, I will have to believe that the coaches have near to Zero confidence in the secondary's ability to cover. It is starting look like that maybe, just maybe, the Jets should have at least entertained the idea of re-signing Cro. I think it is entirely likely that next season we will see Revis at FS with 2 starting CB's who are not currently on the roster. I sincerely hope that Mac/Bowles can revamp the secondary as fast as they did the LB corp. Maybe he's worried about giving up the big play if the WR beats the press and would rather the DBs keep the play in front of them. Pretty much what I concluded.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Sept 13, 2016 11:46:49 GMT -5
He has his ring and $42 million coming. Its good to be him. No one will ever accuse Revis of mismanaging his career. Always squeezes every penny out of every contract, a model citizen off the field, and a model teammate in the locker room. He never gave a team a reason not to pay him.
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