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Post by joepnyj1 on Jan 8, 2015 10:15:47 GMT -5
I thought I heard on ESPN that Marrone's interview did not go well. Not so much the Marrone smearing that occurred before the interview about how he left the Bills, but that the Jets were underwhelmed with him compared to others they interviewed. Sorry for the speculation, but I don't have any more info than that. Anyone hear of any specifics? I'll be honest, that's why I started to get off the Marrone bandwagon a little bit. I didn't mind him leaving the Bills the way he did, but I was disappointed when I heard his interview did not go well. you also have to wonder, if woody is skittish about the perception of his hires now, or if he's more influenced by what someone who worked with marrone said about him. woody is finally getting some media points for admitting failure and hiring competent consultants to fix the ship, and i doubt he's willing to hire guys who get slammed even before they're hired. like it or not, the guys woody picks this time will be guys who are given the thumbs up by both the consultants and the media. Who the fuck cares about the media? As long as the Wolf/Casserly/Woody feel that they have their guys then I really don't care what Semen and ManAss think.
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Post by jetswin on Jan 8, 2015 10:18:15 GMT -5
I thought I heard on ESPN that Marrone's interview did not go well. Not so much the Marrone smearing that occurred before the interview about how he left the Bills, but that the Jets were underwhelmed with him compared to others they interviewed. Sorry for the speculation, but I don't have any more info than that. Anyone hear of any specifics? I'll be honest, that's why I started to get off the Marrone bandwagon a little bit. I didn't mind him leaving the Bills the way he did, but I was disappointed when I heard his interview did not go well. you also have to wonder, if woody is skittish about the perception of his hires now, or if he's more influenced by what someone who worked with marrone said about him. woody is finally getting some media points for admitting failure and hiring competent consultants to fix the ship, and i doubt he's willing to hire guys who get slammed even before they're hired. like it or not, the guys woody picks this time will be guys who are given the thumbs up by both the consultants and the media. If you mean Marrone getting slammed by some hack Syracuse coach that's been fired from multiple jobs, I'd like to think Woody, his consultants, and us as fans are able to see through that for what it is, an unhappy former employee.
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Post by vicmill on Jan 8, 2015 10:20:01 GMT -5
makes even more sense since he trained under casserly. As I said in another thread, having a 2nd or 3rd time around HC is not a bad option of paired with the right GM, and the right organization. it may be fair to say that Woody might be turning this organization around. The Casserly and Wolf assistance he went out to get is, at the very least, an indication of that.
I'd be fine with a Maccagnan/Kubiak hiring. But would prefer Bowles or Quinn.
I agree and think coaches evolve with additional seasoning. He didn't knock the ball out of the park while in Houston but he did have a reasonable amount of success. He's worked under Shanahan and Harbaugh, two coaches that have had a lot of success and probably have two very different styles. I'm guessing this past year was probably pretty good for him to take a step back, analyze his own strengths and weaknesses as a head coach and observe Harbaugh's style. Some coaches are much more successful the second or third time around - Belicheck, Dungy, Coughlin and Pete Carroll come to mind right away
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Post by Augustiniak on Jan 8, 2015 10:20:02 GMT -5
you also have to wonder, if woody is skittish about the perception of his hires now, or if he's more influenced by what someone who worked with marrone said about him. woody is finally getting some media points for admitting failure and hiring competent consultants to fix the ship, and i doubt he's willing to hire guys who get slammed even before they're hired. like it or not, the guys woody picks this time will be guys who are given the thumbs up by both the consultants and the media. If you mean Marrone getting slammed by some hack Syracuse coach that's been fired from multiple jobs, I'd like to think Woody, his consultants, and us as fans are able to see through that for what it is, an unhappy former employee. woody does, like it or not. i think that's apparent, since he got rid of idzik in part, like it or not, b/c of the banners.
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Post by vicmill on Jan 8, 2015 10:23:31 GMT -5
I thought I heard on ESPN that Marrone's interview did not go well. Not so much the Marrone smearing that occurred before the interview about how he left the Bills, but that the Jets were underwhelmed with him compared to others they interviewed. Sorry for the speculation, but I don't have any more info than that. Anyone hear of any specifics? I'll be honest, that's why I started to get off the Marrone bandwagon a little bit. I didn't mind him leaving the Bills the way he did, but I was disappointed when I heard his interview did not go well. you also have to wonder, if woody is skittish about the perception of his hires now, or if he's more influenced by what someone who worked with marrone said about him. woody is finally getting some media points for admitting failure and hiring competent consultants to fix the ship, and i doubt he's willing to hire guys who get slammed even before they're hired. like it or not, the guys woody picks this time will be guys who are given the thumbs up by both the consultants and the media. Hopefully Woody is listening to his consultants and not the uninformed, hidden-agenda-driven media.
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Post by mrcoops on Jan 8, 2015 10:23:37 GMT -5
you also have to wonder, if woody is skittish about the perception of his hires now, or if he's more influenced by what someone who worked with marrone said about him. woody is finally getting some media points for admitting failure and hiring competent consultants to fix the ship, and i doubt he's willing to hire guys who get slammed even before they're hired. like it or not, the guys woody picks this time will be guys who are given the thumbs up by both the consultants and the media. If you mean Marrone getting slammed by some hack Syracuse coach that's been fired from multiple jobs, I'd like to think Woody, his consultants, and us as fans are able to see through that for what it is, an unhappy former employee. There was a piece somewhere else today (Newsday, I think) where another guy who has worked with Marrone as an assistant was staunchly defending him and saying that that other coach was just bitter after being fired. Funnily enough, Manish hasn't reported on this today.
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Post by Augustiniak on Jan 8, 2015 10:27:54 GMT -5
If you mean Marrone getting slammed by some hack Syracuse coach that's been fired from multiple jobs, I'd like to think Woody, his consultants, and us as fans are able to see through that for what it is, an unhappy former employee. There was a piece somewhere else today (Newsday, I think) where another guy who has worked with Marrone as an assistant was staunchly defending him and saying that that other coach was just bitter after being fired. Funnily enough, Manish hasn't reported on this today. i think woody is reading the papers and takes in all that is written, good and bad. i think he wants to know the crap he's going to answer questions about, before he hires anyone. right or wrong, i think this is what's happening along with the interviews.
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Post by jetswin on Jan 8, 2015 10:28:16 GMT -5
If you mean Marrone getting slammed by some hack Syracuse coach that's been fired from multiple jobs, I'd like to think Woody, his consultants, and us as fans are able to see through that for what it is, an unhappy former employee. woody does, like it or not. i think that's apparent, since he got rid of idzik in part, like it or not, b/c of the banners. I'm giving Woody credit for the lightbulb flicking on in his head, I think he is vastly improved. I think Idzik's gone mostly because of his draft failures, you can't have that, it sets the team back a decade with a crappy 12 pick draft.
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Post by Augustiniak on Jan 8, 2015 10:30:18 GMT -5
woody does, like it or not. i think that's apparent, since he got rid of idzik in part, like it or not, b/c of the banners. I'm giving Woody credit for the lightbulb flicking on in his head, I think he is vastly improved. I think Idzik's gone mostly because of his draft failures, you can't have that, it sets the team back a decade with a crappy 12 pick draft. he could have whiffed on all 12 picks, and he'd still be here if geno played reasonably well. like tanny, who'd still be here if sanchez played reasonably well. tanny tried farve, clemens and sanchez, not to mention tebow. he had several chances to get the qb situation right. idzik had 1. hopefully the next gm will have more than 1.
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Post by crossfire on Jan 8, 2015 10:46:48 GMT -5
I'm not saying Woody isn't influenced by the media. Hell, most people here bitch about the media Yet very few could say that they aren't greatly influenced by it.
But I also would not say that he fired Idzik because of the media and/or banners. Idzik did nothing to instill confidence in himself going forward other than perhaps putting the team in good financial shape goi forward.
For the record, I'm not saying Woody wasn't influenced to a degree but Idzik did nothing to instill confidence in the team that he was the right guy for the job going forward. In fact, quite the opposite. I originally supported the hire but I also supported the firing. And that had nothing to do with the media or the banners.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Jan 8, 2015 11:14:23 GMT -5
Rich Cimini @richcimini 30m30 minutes ago Mike Maccagnan has ties to 3 of Jets' HC candidates -- Todd Bowles, Gary Kubiak and Doug Marrone. #nyj Bowles, please. Marrone as second choice. Agree/
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Jan 8, 2015 11:17:52 GMT -5
woody does, like it or not. i think that's apparent, since he got rid of idzik in part, like it or not, b/c of the banners. I'm giving Woody credit for the lightbulb flicking on in his head, I think he is vastly improved. I think Idzik's gone mostly because of his draft failures, you can't have that, it sets the team back a decade with a crappy 12 pick draft. They're not failures yet - mostly. I give Woody credit for not waiting for it to happen.
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Post by jetstream23 on Jan 8, 2015 11:51:22 GMT -5
If you mean Marrone getting slammed by some hack Syracuse coach that's been fired from multiple jobs, I'd like to think Woody, his consultants, and us as fans are able to see through that for what it is, an unhappy former employee. There was a piece somewhere else today (Newsday, I think) where another guy who has worked with Marrone as an assistant was staunchly defending him and saying that that other coach was just bitter after being fired. Funnily enough, Manish hasn't reported on this today. Good post. However, one thing I'd caution all of us against is thinking that none of these people have an agenda. Guys like Mehta certainly do (they want a coach they possibly have an existing relationship with, access to information, etc.). But also some of the people coming to the defense of Marrone. A former assistant to Marrone who could be lined up for a job if Marrone is named head coach certainly has reason to staunchly defend the guy. On a separate note, can anyone remember a more divisive HC candidate? Lots of people seem to have very strong opinions on Marrone and are lined up on either side of the argument. Fans, media, etc. certainly form opinions of a guy (like Rex) after he's been in the job for a while but I can't really remember a guy causing so much intense debate BEFORE he's even offered the job or hired.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Jan 8, 2015 11:53:38 GMT -5
On a separate note, can anyone remember a more divisive HC candidate? Lots of people seem to have very strong opinions on him and are lined up on either side of the argument. Fans, media, etc. certainly form opinions of a guy (like Rex) after he's been in the job for a while but I can't really remember a guy causing so much intense debate BEFORE he's even offered the job or hired. Interesting point. And he seems like such a milquetoast. (Screaming matches notwithstanding)
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Jan 8, 2015 12:11:35 GMT -5
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