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Post by nyjets1969 on Dec 24, 2016 17:06:28 GMT -5
No more half measures GM and coach need to go. GM needs to pick a coach, not the opposite way. +1 I was for giving them another year after this they both have to go this team has regressed the young players drafted are busts. HackenBerg not ready start you don't draft a player in the wind round that is that big of a project This team is a mess with no turn around in sight. Not to mention they are in cap hell next year. At least idzik had this team under the cap. I'm still saying it go get Cowher make him president of football operations steal half of Pittsburghs front office and let him decide the fate of Bowles.
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Post by willis on Dec 24, 2016 17:06:56 GMT -5
No GM can flip a roster as pathetic as the Jets roster was in two years. It's ignorant to think that. Mac's biggest issue was not just completely tearing it down immediately. He has missed on some picks, so have lots of GMs. He's also hit on some. His drafts needed to be great and they have fucking sucked dick. Yeah ... hate to say it but so far his drafts are on par with the Idzik idiot ... flush him and Bowles down the drain.
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Post by Harrier on Dec 24, 2016 17:07:50 GMT -5
I've said this all along, you can't scheme with corners that can't play press or no pass rush, or a beat up o-line and no QB. There's nothing there to scheme or gameplan with, every adjustment just gets exploited against better opposition.
The bigger problem for me is the guy responsible for the long term strategy of gettin us out of this mess is not drafting well.
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Post by maury77 on Dec 24, 2016 18:15:35 GMT -5
I gave myself a Christmas gift by not watching this game (can't remember the last game I didn't watch at all) and it sounds like I did myself a favor. I'm on board with bringing back the coach and GM as I have said on several occasions. For grown men to put forth this effort after the head coach dragged his own ass out of a hospital to coach them is an indictment on the players, not the coach.
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Post by RobR on Dec 24, 2016 21:23:01 GMT -5
The coach needs fired. This team is a joke. No heart. That comes from the coach. I disagree. Heart comes from the players. If each player can't find a way to compete and rolls up in the fetal position at any sign of adversity, the team is screwed. Vince Lombardi couldn't turn this team around. Yet these exact same players we're talking about played hard for Rex even in a lost season. And FTR I'm not advocating bringing Rex back or even sticking up for him. Bowles needs to go now.
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Post by shootmenow on Dec 24, 2016 23:04:30 GMT -5
Harrier I'm picking up the broken record I awarded you last year. How does a 10-6 team go to 4-12 the next when the team is virtually the same? The coach!!!! but that's just a symptom of woody the fuck. We need a billboard. the Dumb fuck seems to respond to billboards. "Woody we are begging you, please sell the team!"
But I'm starting to believe the rumor that when he gets to London he'll try to take the team there. That will, in his puny little mind, be his legacy... he took the first step in making the NFL a world league. god help us.
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Post by porgyman on Dec 24, 2016 23:17:18 GMT -5
I disagree. Heart comes from the players. If each player can't find a way to compete and rolls up in the fetal position at any sign of adversity, the team is screwed. Vince Lombardi couldn't turn this team around. Yet these exact same players we're talking about played hard for Rex even in a lost season. And FTR I'm not advocating bringing Rex back or even sticking up for him. Bowles needs to go now. You think that those players played hard for Rex while going 4-12?
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Dec 24, 2016 23:34:16 GMT -5
Harrier I'm picking up the broken record I awarded you last year. How does a 10-6 team go to 4-12 the next when the team is virtually the same? The coach!!!! but that's just a symptom of woody the fuck. We need a billboard. the Dumb fuck seems to respond to billboards. "Woody we are begging you, please sell the team!" But I'm starting to believe the rumor that when he gets to London he'll try to take the team there. That will, in his puny little mind, be his legacy... he took the first step in making the NFL a world league. god help us. The team isn't not anywhere near virtually the same.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Dec 24, 2016 23:36:53 GMT -5
Yet these exact same players we're talking about played hard for Rex even in a lost season. And FTR I'm not advocating bringing Rex back or even sticking up for him. Bowles needs to go now. You think that those players played hard for Rex while going 4-12? We're going to have the same 4-12 record as we did the last year Rex was here. Iit was a dismal year but I don't remember it feeling so painfully brown bag over the head hopeless as this year does. That year it felt like we could have won a few more games but for some bad breaks. This year it feels like a miracle that we won four.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Dec 24, 2016 23:37:43 GMT -5
I disagree. Heart comes from the players. If each player can't find a way to compete and rolls up in the fetal position at any sign of adversity, the team is screwed. Vince Lombardi couldn't turn this team around. Yet these exact same players we're talking about played hard for Rex even in a lost season. And FTR I'm not advocating bringing Rex back or even sticking up for him. Bowles needs to go now. Is it possible they "played hard" for Rex because Rex is a complete and total failure at instilling discipline and blew smoke up everyones ass about how good all of them were? As long as Rex was around, they had it made. I wouldn't have wanted him gone either if I was a player. I'm sure it was awesome to not be held accountable for anything.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Dec 24, 2016 23:38:13 GMT -5
Anyone else hear the rumor that Mac asked Woody to fire Bowles?
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Dec 24, 2016 23:48:29 GMT -5
You think that those players played hard for Rex while going 4-12? We're going to have the same 4-12 record as we did the last year Rex was here. Iit was a dismal year but I don't remember it feeling so painfully brown bag over the head hopeless as this year does. That year it felt like we could have won a few more games but for some bad breaks. This year it feels like a miracle that we won four. That's just selective memory. That team lost to the Bills by 20 and 35. Lost to the Chargers by 30 something. Beat the Shitty ass Raiders and Titans for two of their wins. Played a a handful of close games, and maybe could have squeeked out a few more wins. Seems a lot like this year. That team had nowhere near the level of injuries this team had, either.
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Post by chrebet80 on Dec 24, 2016 23:58:58 GMT -5
The things is that Bowles is to blame. So is maccagnan. So are the players. Everyone is to blame. I can understand giving maccagnan another year or 2, But i cant really see the argument for keeping bowles. This team quit on him weeks ago. They haven't played a competitive football game in over a month. The players are turning on each other and play with no heart/fire. So yes that is on the individual players who are just going through the motions, but it's also on bowles. Bowles job is to motivate these guys and have his team prepared to play and he hasent come close to accomplishing that this year. If he sees players that are going through the motions, isn't it his job and responsibility to do something about it. A Benching? A fine ? Something?
Make a list of the positive attributes of Bowles as a head coach, now list the negative. If you can think of 3 good reasons to keep bowles I would be highly impressed. The negative far outweighs the positives in my eyes.
And to anyone saying "oh we need continuity at the HC and GM position so we shouldn't fire bowles or maccagnan" to me that is the dumbest argument I've ever heard. I can suck donkey dick at my job but I should continue to keep it for continuity purposes? So we can continuously suck more than we already have? Good idea, Let's continuously be a bottom feeder I guess. How's that continuity working out for the bengals. 15 years without a playoff win. How was that continuity going for the rams before finally coming to their senses and shit canning jeff fisher. Continuity is only important if you have the right people in place.
Give me a real head coach. Id Trade a first rounder and my left testicle for Andy Reid right now and be done with it. The guy is a top 10 coach every year, his team's are in the playoffs every year, and they always play hard. He develops winning cultures. When he signs clowns like vick, the locker room doesn't turn into a circus like it does here every year.
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Post by chrebet80 on Dec 25, 2016 0:04:06 GMT -5
Anyone else hear the rumor that Mac asked Woody to fire Bowles? The fact that he would have to ask is beyond ludicrous. Does he need permission to sign free agents too? It really sums up the disorganization of this shit franchise.
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Post by jetitbe on Dec 25, 2016 0:39:30 GMT -5
I love continuity, but since we're probably going to clear out most of our high-paid veterans off the roster and have maybe 30 new players among our 53 next year, I think this is the best time to hire a new coach.
Think about it: What value is there in keeping Bowles, turning over more than half the roster with him, then go 2-14 in 2017 and fire him after next season. Then we'd need to completely turn over our roster again prior to the 2018 season to fit the new coach's system.
If we're going to have tremendous roster turnover this season anyway, why not get our new coach in place now and bring in guys who are a fit for that guy's system? I mean, if we're going to do a total rebuild next season, is anything better than 4-12 even possible? How could Bowles survive 10-6, 4-12. 4-12?
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