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Post by shootmenow on Dec 25, 2016 1:30:48 GMT -5
Harrier I'm picking up the broken record I awarded you last year. How does a 10-6 team go to 4-12 the next when the team is virtually the same? The coach!!!! but that's just a symptom of woody the fuck. We need a billboard. the Dumb fuck seems to respond to billboards. "Woody we are begging you, please sell the team!" But I'm starting to believe the rumor that when he gets to London he'll try to take the team there. That will, in his puny little mind, be his legacy... he took the first step in making the NFL a world league. god help us. The team isn't not anywhere near virtually the same. Really? Outside of injuries which every team has, who was missing on day one from the prior year? I'm to killed to do a roster compare but if you want to and prove me wrong I'll be happy to acknowledge your wisdom and correct myself. (and "isn't not" ?)
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Post by ryu79 on Dec 25, 2016 1:42:10 GMT -5
Anyone else hear the rumor that Mac asked Woody to fire Bowles? Where?
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Dec 25, 2016 7:31:04 GMT -5
Anyone else hear the rumor that Mac asked Woody to fire Bowles? Where? Twitter
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Dec 25, 2016 7:33:02 GMT -5
Yet these exact same players we're talking about played hard for Rex even in a lost season. And FTR I'm not advocating bringing Rex back or even sticking up for him. Bowles needs to go now. Is it possible they "played hard" for Rex because Rex is a complete and total failure at instilling discipline and blew smoke up everyones ass about how good all of them were? As long as Rex was around, they had it made. I wouldn't have wanted him gone either if I was a player. I'm sure it was awesome to not be held accountable for anything. those two things seem contradictory Isn't doesn't seem like a discipline lacking environment would result in players playing hard, :seems like people would skate knowing there's no acccountability
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Post by sec.101row23 on Dec 25, 2016 8:20:18 GMT -5
When things go as bad as they did this year, the blame lies with everyone. The players, coaches, GM. None of them have done anything close to a good job this year. All of them have been abysmal this year. The GM has made some awful draft picks, the HC has serious issues with game plans and the players flat out look like they quit and for a lot of them are not very talented.
Until this team finally rebuilds the correct way and hires a GM, who then hires HIS head coach, and then draft and sign players who fit their collective philosophy on how they want to play, we will continue to see this incompetence on the field. Without stability at QB there are no quick fixes in this league, signing aging vets to a team like this is a gigantic waste of money and time. It's become comical watching this franchise trip and fall all over itself with bad front office hires, poor drafts, poor player performance and just a bad overall approach from the owner on down.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Dec 25, 2016 8:30:56 GMT -5
The team isn't not anywhere near virtually the same. Really? Outside of injuries which every team has, who was missing on day one from the prior year? I'm to killed to do a roster compare but if you want to and prove me wrong I'll be happy to acknowledge your wisdom and correct myself. (and "isn't not" ?) Ivory, Brick, Harrison, Davis, Cromartie and Pace. That's 6 starters. Over 25% of the starting lineup. If you are simply counting opening day for opening day, it's 8. That's not including Revis, who is a completely different player than he even was last year. Or the fact that Decker played 3 games. Every team has injuries, not all teams have injuries like the Jets. Pretty much the same team though.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Dec 25, 2016 8:35:20 GMT -5
Is it possible they "played hard" for Rex because Rex is a complete and total failure at instilling discipline and blew smoke up everyones ass about how good all of them were? As long as Rex was around, they had it made. I wouldn't have wanted him gone either if I was a player. I'm sure it was awesome to not be held accountable for anything. those two things seem contradictory Isn't doesn't seem like a discipline lacking environment would result in players playing hard, :seems like people would skate knowing there's no acccountability I'm not sure what you are saying with the first sentence. Would you do a half asseded job at where you work if your boss was never around, or would you be self motivated enough to do well?
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Dec 25, 2016 8:37:35 GMT -5
If you are referencing the tweet you shared in the other thread, that's just some random fan. It's no different than a poster here saying they heard it. I would take it with a huge grain of salt.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 25, 2016 9:35:38 GMT -5
We are in the midst of the ugliest part of a rebuild of any type of organization, which occurrs when half of the employees realize they have no future with the company and they simply stop giving a shit.
I am hopeful that Mac just bites the bullet this off season and blows up the roster. Time to fill the roster with young guys who Bowles can mold into his type of team. Free agent money should be spent on the O line only, with the possible exception being signing Mike Glennon. I just don't think Petty can play QB in the NFL. It was his third start near the end of his second season and he looked clueless as to what was happening around him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2016 10:09:19 GMT -5
It's the Jimmies and the Joes not the X's and the O's.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Dec 25, 2016 10:48:30 GMT -5
If you are referencing the tweet you shared in the other thread, that's just some random fan. It's no different than a poster here saying they heard it. I would take it with a huge grain of salt. I know that's why I'm asking if anybody else heard anything else
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Post by Lithfan on Dec 25, 2016 11:16:29 GMT -5
Harrier I'm picking up the broken record I awarded you last year. How does a 10-6 team go to 4-12 the next when the team is virtually the same? The coach!!!! but that's just a symptom of woody the fuck. We need a billboard. the Dumb fuck seems to respond to billboards. "Woody we are begging you, please sell the team!" But I'm starting to believe the rumor that when he gets to London he'll try to take the team there. That will, in his puny little mind, be his legacy... he took the first step in making the NFL a world league. god help us. The team isn't not anywhere near virtually the same. Yup. My initial reaction to this comment was I thought you were wrong. Then I took a look at our lineup yesterday, compared to opening day and to week 17 last year. On offense, we had three starters who also started week 17 last year. Marshall, Enunwa and Carpenter. 4 from opening day if you count Ijalana who I believe started at RT in the Opener but at LT yesterday. Thats it. The other 7 or 8 spots have all turned over. A little more stability on defense where we have 6 starters from last year: Leo, Mo, Sheldon, Harris, Revis and Pryor. I don't necessarily agree that it is all on the players, as I think there is plenty of blame to go around: Macc, Bowles and the players all share in this 4-11 disaster. That probably would have been 2-13 if we weren't "lucky" enough to have SF and Cle on the schedule. Some of the roster turnover was bad luck due to injuries, but some of it was also bad roster construction which is on Macc. Not many teams could survive losing 4 out of 5 OL, but we had no experienced back-ups behind them. You could probably find a dozen offseason threads where many on this site talked about the lack of depth on the OL and what would happen if we lost one or two guys, much less 4. We went into the season counting on a starting LT who missed 30 of 48 games due to injury with no back-up. We are forced to play Ijalana out of position. The OL, QB position, bringing in a 30+ year old RB. All of that is on Macc. As a former scout, Macc may be able to evaluate talent, but that is not the same as being able to construct a roster. Plenty of blame to go around. Players, coaches, management and ownership have all contributed to this nightmare season.
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Post by maury77 on Dec 25, 2016 12:28:24 GMT -5
Guys, sometimes shit happens. I can't remember where I read it, but I believe we have had 70 different players on the gameday roster this year, making it a franchise record. As a season ticket holder, I suffer financially as well as emotionally when we suck this bad.
You can't fire a guy after just one bad season (especially when it was preceded by one good season). We did it once with Carroll and it sent out franchise into a spiral for 2 seasons. Anytime a team goes 4-12, blame lies at the hands of the coach, GM and players. I can't name many positives for Bowles, but I can't name many negatives either. He tried to switch to Geno and he got hurt. He put off playing Petty for a long time and, after watching Petty play, I understand why. Has Bowles made maddening gameday decisions? Absolutely, but big fucking shock, its his second season.
The reality is that until this season is over and the dead wood starts getting shed, we are all going to have negative thoughts about this season. This season literally could not end soon enough.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2016 12:50:29 GMT -5
Ownership is the biggest issue. Woody has been here longer than any single player, coach or front office member associated with this team. It's his job to set the tone for the organization. In a few years we're sure to have a new coaching staff and GM in place. 90% of the payers on this 2016 roster will be gone but us fans will still be subjected to the same level of mediocrity that the Jets have branded throughout their history. I don't know if Woody is a competitor at heart. Does he really care about winning from a competitive standpoint or only to the end that more wins equals more fan interest, more butts in the seats and at Modell's buying jerseys. Does he have any vision of what he wants "Jets football" to mean because every few years we seem to change course. Does a 41-3 loss hurt him any more or less than any other loss? Fire Bradway. Fire Tannenbaum. Fire Idzik. Fire Mac. Fire Herm. Fire Mangini. Fire Rex. Fire Bowles. How do you get it wrong this many times in a row? We have no identity as a franchise and that starts at the top. That's not fair; Herm and Bowles were recommended, and Woody said looked at the data, met with the men and gave them a shot. "Let's do it". I think WJ is solid owner that has to rely on "experts", and they have let him down for the most part.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2016 12:52:59 GMT -5
I'm for continuity here.
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