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Post by shootmenow on Dec 25, 2016 12:53:17 GMT -5
Ownership is the biggest issue. Woody has been here longer than any single player, coach or front office member associated with this team. It's his job to set the tone for the organization. In a few years we're sure to have a new coaching staff and GM in place. 90% of the payers on this 2016 roster will be gone but us fans will still be subjected to the same level of mediocrity that the Jets have branded throughout their history. I don't know if Woody is a competitor at heart. Does he really care about winning from a competitive standpoint or only to the end that more wins equals more fan interest, more butts in the seats and at Modell's buying jerseys. Does he have any vision of what he wants "Jets football" to mean because every few years we seem to change course. Does a 41-3 loss hurt him any more or less than any other loss? Fire Bradway. Fire Tannenbaum. Fire Idzik. Fire Mac. Fire Herm. Fire Mangini. Fire Rex. Fire Bowles. How do you get it wrong this many times in a row? We have no identity as a franchise and that starts at the top. That's not fair; Herm and Bowles were recommended, and Woody said looked at the data, met with the men and gave them a shot. "Let's do it". I think WJ is solid owner that has to rely on "experts", and they have let him down for the most part. That's sarcasm, right?
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Post by frostlich on Dec 25, 2016 13:10:51 GMT -5
Ive bashed Bowles as much as anyone.
However, I say you give the guy (and Mac) a chance to fix the mess.
A barely good enough roster to start with and little depth. Throw in a crazy number of injuries and you have what you see now.
IF the guy merits the respect around the league he seems to get, then you can't axe the guy for this season.
He does need to get to work with Mac on gutting that roster though.
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 25, 2016 14:29:04 GMT -5
Let me preface this by saying I believe Mac is safe. But if someone wants both gone I can't really make an argument outside of its only been 2 years which really isnt a great one.
They had their chance to fix the mess. They had a ton of cap room their first year and they spent it. Ive been yearning for us to invest in the OL for years and Mac has yet to do it.
Our last 2 2nd round picks have barely contributed. Both of which were controversial picks. And I cant remember the last time I heard Lee's name called. Teams all over the league have young players contributing big time. Our only decent draft picks over the past 8 years all play the same position.
We need to bring in a czar. Woody is a good owner in the sense that he is willing to spend money. But he is not a football man. Football is not his business. We need to find another Parcells.
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Post by fullblast on Dec 25, 2016 14:56:48 GMT -5
Ownership is the biggest issue. Woody has been here longer than any single player, coach or front office member associated with this team. It's his job to set the tone for the organization. In a few years we're sure to have a new coaching staff and GM in place. 90% of the payers on this 2016 roster will be gone but us fans will still be subjected to the same level of mediocrity that the Jets have branded throughout their history. I don't know if Woody is a competitor at heart. Does he really care about winning from a competitive standpoint or only to the end that more wins equals more fan interest, more butts in the seats and at Modell's buying jerseys. Does he have any vision of what he wants "Jets football" to mean because every few years we seem to change course. Does a 41-3 loss hurt him any more or less than any other loss? Fire Bradway. Fire Tannenbaum. Fire Idzik. Fire Mac. Fire Herm. Fire Mangini. Fire Rex. Fire Bowles. How do you get it wrong this many times in a row? We have no identity as a franchise and that starts at the top. That's not fair; Herm and Bowles were recommended, and Woody said looked at the data, met with the men and gave them a shot. "Let's do it". I think WJ is solid owner that has to rely on "experts", and they have let him down for the most part. I do appreciate that Woody is trying, but he needs to understand that he doesn't get football management and step out of the way. I like that he brought Casserly and Wolf in to help out with the HC/GM search, but where are they now? Mac and Bowles each report to Woody who, again, really doesn't know what he wants this team to be. Now Mac is supposedly asking for permission to jettison Bowles. If Woody instead wants to keep Bowles in place, you end up with almost the same situation as when Rex and Idzik were here. It just doesn't work. Woody needs to bring in a head of football ops and let that guy make these decisions. He just isn't knowledgeable enough to be that guy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2016 19:34:07 GMT -5
That's not fair; Herm and Bowles were recommended, and Woody said looked at the data, met with the men and gave them a shot. "Let's do it". I think WJ is solid owner that has to rely on "experts", and they have let him down for the most part. I do appreciate that Woody is trying, but he needs to understand that he doesn't get football management and step out of the way. I like that he brought Casserly and Wolf in to help out with the HC/GM search, but where are they now? Mac and Bowles each report to Woody who, again, really doesn't know what he wants this team to be. Now Mac is supposedly asking for permission to jettison Bowles. If Woody instead wants to keep Bowles in place, you end up with almost the same situation as when Rex and Idzik were here. It just doesn't work. Woody needs to bring in a head of football ops and let that guy make these decisions. He just isn't knowledgeable enough to be that guy. Thanks for this xmas present. A real answer. Outside of becoming a devout smallball expert and becoming friends with Theo Epstein, not sure what Woody can up his game. Which means here that the conversation needs to focus on what MacCagnan can do; maybe even getting Casserly to move to Florham Park. You might wonder if the 31 other owners are the voices most important to RWJ IV...your post has me thinking so.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2016 19:40:08 GMT -5
Woody owned a sports team which had once gone straight to Number One . . . Don't. You. Know....WOODY NEEDS A
FOOTBALL CZAR
(don't you know)
DON'T YOU KNOW
WOODY NEEDS A FOOTBALL CZAR
because all the world hates you with the JETS as BAD....
AS BAD AS THEY ARE
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Post by TRUE Jet Fan on Dec 27, 2016 14:19:49 GMT -5
The team isn't not anywhere near virtually the same. Yup. My initial reaction to this comment was I thought you were wrong. Then I took a look at our lineup yesterday, compared to opening day and to week 17 last year. On offense, we had three starters who also started week 17 last year. Marshall, Enunwa and Carpenter. 4 from opening day if you count Ijalana who I believe started at RT in the Opener but at LT yesterday. Thats it. The other 7 or 8 spots have all turned over. A little more stability on defense where we have 6 starters from last year: Leo, Mo, Sheldon, Harris, Revis and Pryor. I don't necessarily agree that it is all on the players, as I think there is plenty of blame to go around: Macc, Bowles and the players all share in this 4-11 disaster. That probably would have been 2-13 if we weren't "lucky" enough to have SF and Cle on the schedule. Some of the roster turnover was bad luck due to injuries, but some of it was also bad roster construction which is on Macc. Not many teams could survive losing 4 out of 5 OL, but we had no experienced back-ups behind them. You could probably find a dozen offseason threads where many on this site talked about the lack of depth on the OL and what would happen if we lost one or two guys, much less 4. We went into the season counting on a starting LT who missed 30 of 48 games due to injury with no back-up. We are forced to play Ijalana out of position. The OL, QB position, bringing in a 30+ year old RB. All of that is on Macc. As a former scout, Macc may be able to evaluate talent, but that is not the same as being able to construct a roster. Plenty of blame to go around. Players, coaches, management and ownership have all contributed to this nightmare season. Nope, wrong answer. You have to have a SINGULAR cause of blame. And for that, you BLAME THE COACH. It is 100% completely the fault of Todd Bowles.
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