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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Jan 6, 2017 21:42:23 GMT -5
We are in worse shape than after Idzik's final year? Not sure if gonthat far. It's close. They both drafted stud DEs in Richardson and Leo. Idzik hit on Enunwa and Macc seems to have found good depth guys in Anderson, Peake, and maybe Marshall. Idzik sat on his cap room and Macc will have a ton of cap room after a few cuts. I'd say we're almost in the same exact place after Idzik's first year. If Leo doesn't turn into a piece of shit Macc gets a slight edge over Idzik. What pisses me off is we should be a little farther a long after 2 years, but here we are.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Jan 6, 2017 22:10:29 GMT -5
I think Mac has added potential starters starters in Lee and Simon and maybe Burris, Jenkins, Mauldin if we are lucky. Potential starters/role players in Shell, Anderson, Peake and Edwards. And potentially a solid backup QB in Petty.
There is a real possibility that only 4 completed seasons after Idzik's first draft, only 3 of his 19 picks are still with the Jets.
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Post by Paradis on Jan 6, 2017 22:36:24 GMT -5
I think Mac has added potential starters starters in Lee and Simon and maybe Burris, Jenkins, Mauldin if we are lucky. Potential starters/role players in Shell, Anderson, Peake and Edwards. And potentially a solid backup QB in Petty. There is a real possibility that only 4 completed seasons after Idzik's first draft, only 3 of his 19 picks are still with the Jets. Definitely if we're grading the two against each other based on measurable participation of draft picks, it's virtually impossible to be worse than Idzik. His only true blue is about to send packing this offseason... But from a macro-level perspective, we're no better off right now. -No identity. -Under performing players all over the place -Nightmare lockeroom -laughable situation at QB -wild finger pointing Is there really a difference?
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Jan 6, 2017 22:44:22 GMT -5
I think Mac has added potential starters starters in Lee and Simon and maybe Burris, Jenkins, Mauldin if we are lucky. Potential starters/role players in Shell, Anderson, Peake and Edwards. And potentially a solid backup QB in Petty. There is a real possibility that only 4 completed seasons after Idzik's first draft, only 3 of his 19 picks are still with the Jets. That's if everything goes perfectly. With Idzik people were saying Willams, Pryor, Millner, Mcdougale, and Amaro would we contributors. Now more than half of them aren't here and the other two look to be on the way out. That is why next year will be big for Mac.
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Post by RobR on Jan 6, 2017 22:49:54 GMT -5
Don't forget the fact that he spent millions on the secondary and almost all of them will be gone within two years. Revis, Gilchrist, and Skrine should be let go after this year. Pryor is a bust and sounds like trade bait and he sunk a bunch of coin on a broken down Cromartie. We have one of the worst, if not the worst secondary in the NFL and most of our cap is allocated too it. That is 100% Mac.
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Post by maury77 on Jan 7, 2017 8:42:19 GMT -5
Don't forget the fact that he spent millions on the secondary and almost all of them will be gone within two years. Revis, Gilchrist, and Skrine should be let go after this year. Pryor is a bust and sounds like trade bait and he sunk a bunch of coin on a broken down Cromartie. We have one of the worst, if not the worst secondary in the NFL and most of our cap is allocated too it. That is 100% Mac. I agree for the most part Rob, but I think our safeties get a raw deal because of the CB play. Because Revis and Skrine have been abjectly horrible, Pryor has been forced to play more cover 2, which he sucks at. In 2015, when the CB play was better, Pryor played closer to the LOS and was a much more effective player. It's not out of the realm of possibility that he could play better in 2017 if the CB play improves and Pryor plays closer to the line again. Landon Collins is an example of that. The Giants signed Jenkins, which allowed them to play more cover 1. Collins went from a disappointing rookie to an all pro. Revis and Skrine killed our defense this year. They forced us to play more cover 2 and prevented us from blitzing more.
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Post by genot on Jan 7, 2017 9:21:09 GMT -5
I think Mac has added potential starters starters in Lee and Simon and maybe Burris, Jenkins, Mauldin if we are lucky. Potential starters/role players in Shell, Anderson, Peake and Edwards. And potentially a solid backup QB in Petty. There is a real possibility that only 4 completed seasons after Idzik's first draft, only 3 of his 19 picks are still with the Jets. That's if everything goes perfectly. With Idzik people were saying Willams, Pryor, Millner, Mcdougale, and Amaro would we contributors. Now more than half of them aren't here and the other two look to be on the way out. That is why next year will be big for Mac. Lets not forget letting Howard and Slauson walk. Remember the raw deal Slauson got. rotating with Ducasse. That was Idzik sticking his nose in where it don't belong. Just like he did with Geno. a QB who wasn't ready, playing without any talent at WR. Add in those factors and his drafts, that's a big reason why we are where we are.
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Jan 7, 2017 10:40:46 GMT -5
I think Mac has added potential starters starters in Lee and Simon and maybe Burris, Jenkins, Mauldin if we are lucky. Potential starters/role players in Shell, Anderson, Peake and Edwards. And potentially a solid backup QB in Petty. There is a real possibility that only 4 completed seasons after Idzik's first draft, only 3 of his 19 picks are still with the Jets. Definitely if we're grading the two against each other based on measurable participation of draft picks, it's virtually impossible to be worse than Idzik. His only true blue is about to send packing this offseason... But from a macro-level perspective, we're no better off right now. -No identity. -Under performing players all over the place -Nightmare lockeroom -laughable situation at QB -wild finger pointing Is there really a difference? Bottom line is that both Idzik and Macc suck at drafting. And I mean fucking terrible, horrible, pathetically SUCK. Anyone on this board could have drafted better than those two clueless fucks. The team is in dire straights, at the bottom hiatorically for a bottom feeder franchise. Hemroging fans and have probably lost a generation of fans to the Giants, and whoever else. I haven't met a Jet fan under 30 in half a decade. Losers thru and thru. Both of them. Grasping at straws with Peake or whoever else just doesn't cut it. We needed a great, or at least competent, GM after the disaster of Idzik and we got another clueless four eyed dope who seems in over his head. Imagine if a real company was run by such incompetent boobs? It would be filing for bankruptcy. Pathetic joke of a hapless organization that doesn't deserve one fan. I couldn't care less anymore.
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Post by MDL JET on Jan 7, 2017 12:28:32 GMT -5
That's why I don't get people blaming Mac that he hasn't found a QB yet. As if it's so easy. I've grown so tired of the blind leash Macc gets. Why? What has he done exactly? We're (somehow) in worse shape than Idzik left us in. I'm still giving Macc 2017 to finish his opus -- but I wince at the "why are people blaming him" routine. Q: What is the GM's job?A: To manage the team and roster2017 Jets... is at present, a poorly managed/coached/rostered team. Do you not have to answer for your responsibilities at work? I say why blame him for not finding us a QB yet, when this team hasn't found one since, what, Pennington? Finding one is fucking luck. I put more blame this season on Bowles for wanting Fitz and sticking with him for so long, losing the locker room, having the defense not give a shit, etc etc.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Jan 9, 2017 12:57:26 GMT -5
Definitely if we're grading the two against each other based on measurable participation of draft picks, it's virtually impossible to be worse than Idzik. His only true blue is about to send packing this offseason... But from a macro-level perspective, we're no better off right now. -No identity. -Under performing players all over the place -Nightmare lockeroom -laughable situation at QB -wild finger pointing Is there really a difference? Bottom line is that both Idzik and Macc suck at drafting. And I mean fucking terrible, horrible, pathetically SUCK. Anyone on this board could have drafted better than those two clueless fucks. The team is in dire straights, at the bottom hiatorically for a bottom feeder franchise. Hemroging fans and have probably lost a generation of fans to the Giants, and whoever else. I haven't met a Jet fan under 30 in half a decade. Losers thru and thru. Both of them. Grasping at straws with Peake or whoever else just doesn't cut it. We needed a great, or at least competent, GM after the disaster of Idzik and we got another clueless four eyed dope who seems in over his head. Imagine if a real company was run by such incompetent boobs? It would be filing for bankruptcy. Pathetic joke of a hapless organization that doesn't deserve one fan. I couldn't care less anymore. This is objectively incorrect. Mac has done fine in his 2 drafts. 11 of 13 picks look like keepers as starters or important role players going forward. Plus, Robbie Anderson and Jalin Marshall were excellent non-drafted free agent picks. Sure there are a couple of potential stinkers -- Devin Smith, Hackenberg -- but if Hackenberg becomes an above average starter (doubtful but possible), the 2016 draft goes from very good to great. 2016 1 Darron Lee 2016 2 Christian Hackenberg 2016 3 Jordan Jenkins 2016 4 Juston Burris 2016 5 Brandon Shell 2016 7 Lac Edwards 2016 7 Charone Peake 2015 1 Leonard Williams 2015 2 Devin Smith 2015 3 Lorenzo Mauldin 2015 4 Bryce Petty 2015 5 Jarvis Harrison 2015 7 Deon Simon These drafts, by any fair assessment do not suck. they are, in fact, good drafts. Not great, but good. And a good draft is a huge improvement for the Jets. Go ahead an compare this draft to the previous 5 (Idzik preceded by Tanny -- all with Rex). By comparison, Mac's drafts are home runs. While Rex was coach the Jets strung together bad drafts like no other team. You can survive a bad drafts here or there, but once you string together 4 or 5, your team is screwed. This is why the Jets only recent success has occurred when they signed free agents and made trades. Their cupboard has been bare for years. Mac and Bowles have a 4 to 5 year project re-building this team the right way. There are no quick fixes. You simply can not fix a talent depleted through the draft in 2 seasons.
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Post by tkasper01 on Jan 9, 2017 13:16:38 GMT -5
Bottom line is that both Idzik and Macc suck at drafting. And I mean fucking terrible, horrible, pathetically SUCK. Anyone on this board could have drafted better than those two clueless fucks. The team is in dire straights, at the bottom hiatorically for a bottom feeder franchise. Hemroging fans and have probably lost a generation of fans to the Giants, and whoever else. I haven't met a Jet fan under 30 in half a decade. Losers thru and thru. Both of them. Grasping at straws with Peake or whoever else just doesn't cut it. We needed a great, or at least competent, GM after the disaster of Idzik and we got another clueless four eyed dope who seems in over his head. Imagine if a real company was run by such incompetent boobs? It would be filing for bankruptcy. Pathetic joke of a hapless organization that doesn't deserve one fan. I couldn't care less anymore. This is objectively incorrect. Mac has done fine in his 2 drafts. 11 of 13 picks look like keepers as starters or important role players going forward. Plus, Robbie Anderson and Jalin Marshall were excellent non-drafted free agent picks. Sure there are a couple of potential stinkers -- Devin Smith, Hackenberg -- but if Hackenberg becomes an above average starter (doubtful but possible), the 2016 draft goes from very good to great. 2016 1 Darron Lee 2016 2 Christian Hackenberg 2016 3 Jordan Jenkins 2016 4 Juston Burris 2016 5 Brandon Shell 2016 7 Lac Edwards 2016 7 Charone Peake 2015 1 Leonard Williams 2015 2 Devin Smith 2015 3 Lorenzo Mauldin 2015 4 Bryce Petty 2015 5 Jarvis Harrison 2015 7 Deon Simon These drafts, by any fair assessment do not suck. they are, in fact, good drafts. Not great, but good. And a good draft is a huge improvement for the Jets. Go ahead an compare this draft to the previous 5 (Idzik preceded by Tanny -- all with Rex). By comparison, Mac's drafts are home runs. While Rex was coach the Jets strung together bad drafts like no other team. You can survive a bad drafts here or there, but once you string together 4 or 5, your team is screwed. This is why the Jets only recent success has occurred when they signed free agents and made trades. Their cupboard has been bare for years. Mac and Bowles have a 4 to 5 year project re-building this team the right way. There are no quick fixes. You simply can not fix a talent depleted through the draft in 2 seasons. It is just his narrative. Makes stuff up to support it as well. I really think he is a Giants fan to be honest.
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Post by JStokes on Jan 9, 2017 13:22:14 GMT -5
This is objectively incorrect. Mac has done fine in his 2 drafts. 11 of 13 picks look like keepers as starters or important role players going forward. Plus, Robbie Anderson and Jalin Marshall were excellent non-drafted free agent picks. Sure there are a couple of potential stinkers -- Devin Smith, Hackenberg -- but if Hackenberg becomes an above average starter (doubtful but possible), the 2016 draft goes from very good to great. 2016 1 Darron Lee 2016 2 Christian Hackenberg 2016 3 Jordan Jenkins 2016 4 Juston Burris 2016 5 Brandon Shell 2016 7 Lac Edwards 2016 7 Charone Peake 2015 1 Leonard Williams 2015 2 Devin Smith 2015 3 Lorenzo Mauldin 2015 4 Bryce Petty 2015 5 Jarvis Harrison 2015 7 Deon Simon These drafts, by any fair assessment do not suck. they are, in fact, good drafts. Not great, but good. And a good draft is a huge improvement for the Jets. Go ahead an compare this draft to the previous 5 (Idzik preceded by Tanny -- all with Rex). By comparison, Mac's drafts are home runs. While Rex was coach the Jets strung together bad drafts like no other team. You can survive a bad drafts here or there, but once you string together 4 or 5, your team is screwed. This is why the Jets only recent success has occurred when they signed free agents and made trades. Their cupboard has been bare for years. Mac and Bowles have a 4 to 5 year project re-building this team the right way. There are no quick fixes. You simply can not fix a talent depleted through the draft in 2 seasons. It is just his narrative. Makes stuff up to support it as well. I really think he is a boring repetitive jerkoff whiny cunt to be honest. Fixed your post. _
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Jan 9, 2017 14:40:57 GMT -5
It is just his narrative. Makes stuff up to support it as well. I really think he is a boring repetitive jerkoff whiny cunt to be honest. Fixed your post. _ and you're an old miserable stupid cunt. to be completely honest.
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Jan 9, 2017 14:41:39 GMT -5
This is objectively incorrect. Mac has done fine in his 2 drafts. 11 of 13 picks look like keepers as starters or important role players going forward. Plus, Robbie Anderson and Jalin Marshall were excellent non-drafted free agent picks. Sure there are a couple of potential stinkers -- Devin Smith, Hackenberg -- but if Hackenberg becomes an above average starter (doubtful but possible), the 2016 draft goes from very good to great. 2016 1 Darron Lee 2016 2 Christian Hackenberg 2016 3 Jordan Jenkins 2016 4 Juston Burris 2016 5 Brandon Shell 2016 7 Lac Edwards 2016 7 Charone Peake 2015 1 Leonard Williams 2015 2 Devin Smith 2015 3 Lorenzo Mauldin 2015 4 Bryce Petty 2015 5 Jarvis Harrison 2015 7 Deon Simon These drafts, by any fair assessment do not suck. they are, in fact, good drafts. Not great, but good. And a good draft is a huge improvement for the Jets. Go ahead an compare this draft to the previous 5 (Idzik preceded by Tanny -- all with Rex). By comparison, Mac's drafts are home runs. While Rex was coach the Jets strung together bad drafts like no other team. You can survive a bad drafts here or there, but once you string together 4 or 5, your team is screwed. This is why the Jets only recent success has occurred when they signed free agents and made trades. Their cupboard has been bare for years. Mac and Bowles have a 4 to 5 year project re-building this team the right way. There are no quick fixes. You simply can not fix a talent depleted through the draft in 2 seasons. It is just his narrative. Makes stuff up to support it as well. I really think he is a Giants fan to be honest. Hate the Giants more than I hate the Jets.
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Post by JStokes on Jan 9, 2017 14:49:45 GMT -5
and you're an old miserable stupid cunt. to be completely honest. I'm not old, I'm not miserable and I'm not a cunt. I may be an asshole at times, but quite honestly, your schtick has grown old, like a whiny cunt. _
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