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Post by southside on Jan 5, 2015 13:34:02 GMT -5
19 starts 58.8 comp% 4,025 yds 6.5 YPA 211.8 YPG 29 TDs 15 Ints 83.7 rtg Would you take the chance on this QB? Is that college or pros?
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Post by rexneffect on Jan 5, 2015 13:35:40 GMT -5
I'm not thrilled at the prospect of suffering through another Geno year but we shouldn't be throwing draft picks away to pick up the NFL's leftovers just because it's a guy not named Geno or Sanchez. If we can't bring in a QB to build around then we should focus our draft picks and FA on building a team that a quality QB would want to lead. That primarily means patching up the o-line and fielding a competent secondary. Then see who we can get in 2016 to complete the puzzle.
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Post by Touchable on Jan 5, 2015 13:36:16 GMT -5
19 starts 58.8 comp% 4,025 yds 6.5 YPA 211.8 YPG 29 TDs 15 Ints 83.7 rtg Would you take the chance on this QB? Is that college or pros? Pros
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Post by vicmill on Jan 5, 2015 13:36:51 GMT -5
So lets give up a pick for a guy that's on the exact same track as Geno? Come on guys. What I'm saying is this: If the QB's available this year are so bad that we're resorting to Mike Glennon as a viable option then we're better off staying with Geno or Vick and revamping the OLine. Why waste time/picks on the lesser of two shitty situations? Just say fuck it, we're not going after any QBs and we're going to rebuild the foundation while we wait for one to come available. Absolutely give up the pick if the price is right. Then you have 2 young QBs in camp that have the physical skills to play QB in the NFL and have both shown some positive signs. You need a coaching staff that is focused first and foremost on teaching these guys the mental side of playing QB and see how they develop. In two years, both Glennon and Geno have put up numbers and winning % that compares favorably with the following QBs (all in the top 30 passing yardage leaders of all time) in their first two years: Brees, Moon , Tarkenton, Testaverde, Fouts, Kreig, Hasselback, Everett, Simms, Romo and Young (and I'm not even including Rodgers since he's not top 30 yet). A lot of these guys sat on the bench their first two years and learned the game. Do you know why? Because playing QB in the NFL is a really hard job that most coming out of college are not equipped to excel at right away. Luck and Wilson are freaks of nature (and ruined it for everyone coming after them) and if your expectation is that you're going to find another QB that's going to be as good as those guys in their first two years, you are going to be waiting a long time. I understand that some of these guys played in a different era but compare their QB rating (which shouldn't be affected that much by the era) and win loss % and you'll see that they were all comparable to or worse than Geno or Glennon or they were sitting on the bench. I know a lot of you think you've seen enought to know that Geno stinks, but the reality is you haven't. Lets give these guys a chance to develop with a real coaching staff and see what happens. I'm not sure that either of these guys is the answer, but i am sure that I haven't see enough of them to form any conclusions.
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Post by Touchable on Jan 5, 2015 13:40:18 GMT -5
I'm not thrilled at the prospect of suffering through another Geno year but we shouldn't be throwing draft picks away to pick up the NFL's leftovers just because it's a guy not named Geno or Sanchez. If we can't bring in a QB to build around then we should focus our draft picks and FA on building a team that a quality QB would want to lead. That primarily means patching up the o-line and fielding a competent secondary. Then see who we can get in 2016 to complete the puzzle. And who says that you can't still do that by trading a 5th for Glennon? With Andrus Peat declaring for the draft, I'll go on record and guarantee that Cooper is still there at #6. So you take Cooper who potentially gives you a legit #1 receiver for the next decade and then you can focus on CB/RB/OL/LB the rest of the way. We're also set to have around $53 million to spend in FA. And if we choose to get rid of Harvin, that jumps up to about $64 million.
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Post by carlito1171 on Jan 5, 2015 13:42:09 GMT -5
19 starts 58.8 comp% 4,025 yds 6.5 YPA 211.8 YPG 29 TDs 15 Ints 83.7 rtg Would you take the chance on this QB? Is that college or pros? Those are his pro numbers. 19 starts over 2 seasons. And I get your reluctance Southside. He's not my first option either, but it's going to be slim pickings in the offseason....if the Bucs make him available he becomes one of the better options amongst a pile of trash...
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Post by Fishooked on Jan 5, 2015 13:57:16 GMT -5
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Post by southside on Jan 5, 2015 13:57:27 GMT -5
Look at what he did this season, he definitely took a step backwards. Honestly, I don't know why the Bucs would let him go anyway. If nothing else he's a cheap backup QB with experience on the field and in the organization.
I just wouldn't do it. We have high picks this season. Rebuild the OLine with some real talent after drafting Cooper (hopefully) and we'll be better off drastically. We couldn't give the QBs any time to throw the ball this year. That was a major problem.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Jan 5, 2015 14:00:00 GMT -5
19 starts 58.8 comp% 4,025 yds 6.5 YPA 211.8 YPG 29 TDs 15 Ints 83.7 rtg Would you take the chance on this QB? A better question would be, would you trade that QB for only a 6th round pick? IMO if you call Tampa and ask them what they want for Glennon right now they will start at a 4th round pick minimum, otherwise there isn't much value in trading him.
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Post by morite on Jan 5, 2015 14:03:00 GMT -5
I'm not thrilled at the prospect of suffering through another Geno year but we shouldn't be throwing draft picks away to pick up the NFL's leftovers just because it's a guy not named Geno or Sanchez. If we can't bring in a QB to build around then we should focus our draft picks and FA on building a team that a quality QB would want to lead. That primarily means patching up the o-line and fielding a competent secondary. Then see who we can get in 2016 to complete the puzzle. I hear you...but the killer for me is the fucking turnovers. Between Sanchez and Geno, how many losses can be chalked up to throwing or dropping the ball/game away? I'd be willing to give up a late round pick for a mediocre QB who doesn't have a propensity to give the ball up so we can try and rebuild those areas like the line and the secondary (and the linebacker play, and the WR play and the TE play...), and maybe win a few more games here and there.
Maybe our drafting has been so poor for so long that I don't have any faith that we'll actually make something out of those late round picks. Maybe a new GM will help that. But I'm still not opposed to bringing a Glennon on board.
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Post by carlito1171 on Jan 5, 2015 14:15:28 GMT -5
19 starts 58.8 comp% 4,025 yds 6.5 YPA 211.8 YPG 29 TDs 15 Ints 83.7 rtg Would you take the chance on this QB? A better question would be, would you trade that QB for only a 6th round pick? IMO if you call Tampa and ask them what they want for Glennon right now they will start at a 4th round pick minimum, otherwise there isn't much value in trading him. Yup, price is what it all comes down to at the end of the day...
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Post by Anthony Jet on Jan 5, 2015 15:14:33 GMT -5
19 starts 58.8 comp% 4,025 yds 6.5 YPA 211.8 YPG 29 TDs 15 Ints 83.7 rtg Would you take the chance on this QB? A better question would be, would you trade that QB for only a 6th round pick? IMO if you call Tampa and ask them what they want for Glennon right now they will start at a 4th round pick minimum, otherwise there isn't much value in trading him. id give them our 5th this year.
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Post by joepnyj1 on Jan 5, 2015 15:18:00 GMT -5
Looks a little like that Napoleon Dynamite guy...what's his name? If we got him on the cheap, I would take a flyer on him. I wouldn't mind keeping someone with his size and skill around to keep the thing going while we rebuild the o-line, secondary and linebacker positions. That's going to take a few years, so... we can keep looking through the draft, free agency or trade to get our QB. Who knows, maybe he'll turn out to be something more than just serviceable. We don't have many other options at this stage. Rebuilding the O-line should not take that long...guys like Bulaga, Franklin, Iupati, Jerry, Fox, Carpenter, Shipley...signing 2 of these guys and maybe drafting one would completely forify our line. Recipe for success.
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Post by rollofffjet on Jan 5, 2015 15:18:56 GMT -5
No !!!! Trade for brock osweiler instead
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Post by morite on Jan 5, 2015 15:25:14 GMT -5
Looks a little like that Napoleon Dynamite guy...what's his name? If we got him on the cheap, I would take a flyer on him. I wouldn't mind keeping someone with his size and skill around to keep the thing going while we rebuild the o-line, secondary and linebacker positions. That's going to take a few years, so... we can keep looking through the draft, free agency or trade to get our QB. Who knows, maybe he'll turn out to be something more than just serviceable. We don't have many other options at this stage. Rebuilding the O-line should not take that long...guys like Bulaga, Franklin, Iupati, Jerry, Fox, Carpenter, Shipley...signing 2 of these guys and maybe drafting one would completely forify our line. Recipe for success. I could go along with that. Let's see if someone can actually make it happen. This year's patchwork job on the line outside of Brick and Mangold was sketchy.
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