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Post by i against i on Jan 5, 2015 21:02:29 GMT -5
I'd rather use that late pick on Sean Mannion out of Oregon State. He's got experience in a pro style and he can throw the ball anywhere. And he's not coming out of that spread offense bullshit that destroys QBs.
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Post by GreenBloodBlitz on Jan 5, 2015 21:08:12 GMT -5
I liked Glennon over Geno coming out as well as Zak Dysert. i'd take em both along with colt mccoy. I'd have Geno...Simms..McCoy...Dysert..and Glennon..Battle it out in true competition at training camp. hELL...I'D EVEN GET Thad Lewis in here!! fight it out bitches!!!
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Post by Touchable on Jan 5, 2015 21:12:04 GMT -5
I'd rather use that late pick on Sean Mannion out of Oregon State. He's got experience in a pro style and he can throw the ball anywhere. And he's not coming out of that spread offense bullshit that destroys QBs. Mannion was absolutely horrible this year You could make the argument that part of that was due to losing Brandin Cooks but his anticipation and footwork are god awful.
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Post by GreenBloodBlitz on Jan 5, 2015 21:18:22 GMT -5
I think we will be waiting till next years draft for a qb...dont see much available.
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Post by Yankees45 on Jan 5, 2015 22:50:09 GMT -5
I say Jamieis can be available if the offer is right to the titans, but cooper is tooo good it seems so idk it's a tough decision . If jets trade up they are keeping Percy which would be smart, mannion can put numbers up idk the hate , I know he broke a big PAC 12 record which had many great qb like luck and elway . I say draft him let him sit and compete . The play book will be cake for him. But idk jameis is a winner idc how it is if its a nice win or ugly , reminds me of Big Ben .
And the next nfl lock down corner is Marcus peters out of washington , and its the same state as the seahawks , they have great scouts so they have to know about him since its instate. hes on seattles radar and maxwell is leaving , so they might take him. I hope we steal him if we get quinn.
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Post by jetstream23 on Jan 6, 2015 0:42:47 GMT -5
We are rebuilding (aren't we always?) so I have no problem rolling some dice to see what QB can rise to the top. We're not getting a "franchise guy" this year so I'd be fine trading a late pick for Glennon and possibly using our #2 on Hundley. My theory being that all 3 are young enough and still in some degree of development that we might hit paydirt with just one of them. Amari Cooper is a wet dream, but possible, in Round 1. If not him we might want to go with Oline or trade back and still go Oline or a RB like Gordon. Then we go with Hundley in Round 2. Personally, I'd keep Harvin for 2015 as well. Hang on for one year and he's still cuttable with no Cap ramifications the following offseason.
Under a new coach in a rebuilding season we could benefit from setting up a Geno/Glennon/Hundley Thunderdome if we will have decent weapons and good Oline behind which to judge these guys.
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Post by vicmill on Jan 6, 2015 9:47:50 GMT -5
Absolutely give up the pick if the price is right. Then you have 2 young QBs in camp that have the physical skills to play QB in the NFL and have both shown some positive signs. You need a coaching staff that is focused first and foremost on teaching these guys the mental side of playing QB and see how they develop. In two years, both Glennon and Geno have put up numbers and winning % that compares favorably with the following QBs (all in the top 30 passing yardage leaders of all time) in their first two years: Brees, Moon , Tarkenton, Testaverde, Fouts, Kreig, Hasselback, Everett, Simms, Romo and Young (and I'm not even including Rodgers since he's not top 30 yet). A lot of these guys sat on the bench their first two years and learned the game. Do you know why? Because playing QB in the NFL is a really hard job that most coming out of college are not equipped to excel at right away. Luck and Wilson are freaks of nature (and ruined it for everyone coming after them) and if your expectation is that you're going to find another QB that's going to be as good as those guys in their first two years, you are going to be waiting a long time. I understand that some of these guys played in a different era but compare their QB rating (which shouldn't be affected that much by the era) and win loss % and you'll see that they were all comparable to or worse than Geno or Glennon or they were sitting on the bench. I know a lot of you think you've seen enought to know that Geno stinks, but the reality is you haven't. Lets give these guys a chance to develop with a real coaching staff and see what happens. I'm not sure that either of these guys is the answer, but i am sure that I haven't see enough of them to form any conclusions. If you can point out any one of the guys on that list who have done the stupid things Geno has then your point might make sense. But I'm guessing none of those guys tried to pass the ball behind their back, ran out of the end zone, or had a QBR of zero in a game. I don't know if they did those things, but the ones that played had lousy records and lousy QB ratings, so they did other bad things. The rest had the luxury of watching, learning and not being thrown to fire by a lousy coaching staff when they were not ready yet. I'm not sure which way is better to develop a QB, but many great QBs who played in their first two years and not that good during those first two years.
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Post by gman on Jan 27, 2015 11:21:09 GMT -5
Saw this, so I thought I'd revive this thread. I'd give a 5th or 6 for Glennon, not a 4th though. tbo.com/sports/blogs/bucs-report/thin-qb-crop-could-mean-high-demand-for-bucs-glennon-20150126/Thin QB crop could mean high demand for Bucs’ Glennon By Roy Cummings | Tribune Staff Published: January 26, 2015 | Updated: January 27, 2015 at 06:48 AM TAMPA — The growing consensus among NFL scouts and draft analysts is that no position group runs out of top-level 2015 draft prospects sooner than quarterback. The 2015 class of free-agent quarterbacks isn’t any deeper. With Mark Sanchez, Brian Hoyer and Shaun Hill expected to lead the way, it too seems to be lacking both star and starter quality talent. All of which could prove to be good news for the Bucs. With the first overall pick in the draft, the Bucs will have their choice of either Jameis Winston or Marcus Mariota, who just may be the two most promising quarterbacks available this offseason. But most of the other teams in need of quarterback help, such as the Jets, Texans and Bills, may have to try to work out a trade to fill their need. That’s where the Bucs come in. Several teams called the Bucs to inquire about the availability of quarterback Mike Glennon during last year’s draft proceedings, and some around the league believe the same will happen again this year. Speaking on “NFL Insiders” last Friday, ESPN Insider Adam Caplan said the general manager of a team not in need of a quarterback told him teams looking for quarterbacks are sure to call the Bucs about Glennon. “He said that the tape wasn’t great on Glennon from last season, but (he pointed out that) he’s got (two years) left on his contract and the Bucs aren’t paying him a lot ($1.4 million through 2016),’’ Caplan said. “He said that’s a guy you have to take a look at (if you’re a team in need of a quarterback).’’ Not that Glennon is likely to bring much in return. With his mixed bag of experience over the course of the last two years, he may only net the Bucs a fourth- or fifth-round draft pick. But if the Bucs are ready to move on from Glennon, and their refusal to go back to him even after their slim playoff hopes faded completely last year has many believing they are, then a fourth-round pick might not be a bad return.
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Post by sadface on Jan 27, 2015 11:27:39 GMT -5
call me crazy but i'd try to trade Percy Harvin for him.
it would help us by dumping his salary and recouping our 4th round pick.
it would help them by surrounding Mariotta with as much WR talent as possible.
it fits their style, as Harvin's contract is pay-as-you-go, which matches their typical contract structures.
and it really works for us, as we'd be acquiring a guy who could give Geno a run for his money in camp
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Post by greengeek on Jan 27, 2015 12:28:14 GMT -5
We are rebuilding (aren't we always?) so I have no problem rolling some dice to see what QB can rise to the top. We're not getting a "franchise guy" this year so I'd be fine trading a late pick for Glennon and possibly using our #2 on Hundley. My theory being that all 3 are young enough and still in some degree of development that we might hit paydirt with just one of them. Amari Cooper is a wet dream, but possible, in Round 1. If not him we might want to go with Oline or trade back and still go Oline or a RB like Gordon. Then we go with Hundley in Round 2. Personally, I'd keep Harvin for 2015 as well. Hang on for one year and he's still cuttable with no Cap ramifications the following offseason. Under a new coach in a rebuilding season we could benefit from setting up a Geno/Glennon/Hundley Thunderdome if we will have decent weapons and good Oline behind which to judge these guys. This. We're no longer in the "trade up for a sure thing" mode of operation that introduced so little fresh blood to the team that every acquisition simply HAD to work out or we were doomed (see recent Jets history for the definition of doom). Don't bet the farm, but do roll the dice. My son lived in Tampa for a couple of years and while remaining a 100% Jets fan, also watch Bucs games with friends. He thinks that Glennon is somewhat talented, but was mis-handled. He thinks less of Geno from a talent standpoint, but similarly about the mis-handling. If they're both cheap, let the new crew of coaches sort out the truth. We only win with more possibilities.
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Post by joepnyj1 on Jan 27, 2015 12:31:19 GMT -5
call me crazy but i'd try to trade Percy Harvin for him. it would help us by dumping his salary and recouping our 4th round pick. it would help them by surrounding Mariotta with as much WR talent as possible. it fits their style, as Harvin's contract is pay-as-you-go, which matches their typical contract structures. and it really works for us, as we'd be acquiring a guy who could give Geno a run for his money in camp Actually not a bad idea, but I am wondering how much interest Lovie has for Harvin. Business wise its definitely a fit...I also believe Dirk Koetter is the offensive coordinator now in Tampa so he might be a fit schematically too because he loved using a speedster like Antone Smith in the slot and Harvin would be perfect for that role. I would see if we can get a later pick coming back to us like a 5th or 6th rounder too.
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Post by joepnyj1 on Jan 27, 2015 14:32:34 GMT -5
19 starts 58.8 comp% 4,025 yds 6.5 YPA 211.8 YPG 29 TDs 15 Ints 83.7 rtg Would you take the chance on this QB? In a heartbeat.
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Post by rangerous on Jan 27, 2015 19:00:31 GMT -5
19 starts 58.8 comp% 4,025 yds 6.5 YPA 211.8 YPG 29 TDs 15 Ints 83.7 rtg Would you take the chance on this QB? yes. if geno posted those stats the jets would've won way more than 4 this past season. and he had a worse team to play for.
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Post by shootmenow on Jan 27, 2015 22:38:37 GMT -5
Given where our 5 rounders are from the last 2 years are I'd trade a 5th round pick for a decent chili dog.
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Post by joepnyj1 on Jan 28, 2015 9:37:34 GMT -5
Given where our 5 rounders are from the last 2 years are I'd trade a 5th round pick for a decent chili dog. Sad but true.
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