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Post by southside on Jan 9, 2015 17:40:46 GMT -5
Yeah no shit. I said that too. He's a career backup at best. He's also a bust. And the fact that you hold onto that bullshit Madden 2004 EA Sports thinking about what players fit where makes you an even bigger tool than I already knew you were. Thanks for your abundant football knowledge. Glad my realistic view of football compares nothing to your fantasy land video game idea of it. Go ahead and name me 3 4-3 DT that are 350 lbs. I'll wait. I'll name you two off the top of my head only to watch you squirm you fucking moron: Pat Williams Kris Jenkins You still want to play this game?
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Post by southside on Jan 9, 2015 17:41:43 GMT -5
Go ahead and name me 3 4-3 DT that are 350 lbs. I'll wait. I'll name you two off the top of my head only to watch you squirm you fucking moron: Pat Williams Kris Jenkins You still want to play this game? I'm not sure why I even stoop down to this kid's demands but it was too easy to do. Take note that I will not be someone's fact finder just because they are ignorant. I think someone owes me an apology.
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Post by choon328 on Jan 9, 2015 17:45:12 GMT -5
Everytime you come at me I counter you with facts. You don't know what you're talking about and have very limited football knowledge. That's pretty obvious at this point. One minute you say Coples is a backup, then you want him to start, then you say you never said he was a backup and then you say he's a backup again. I can't even keep track anymore. You think 350 lb DT are suited for a 4-3 defense where they have to penetrate the offensive line and rush the QB when Harrison is a run stopping 3-4 DT. He's the complete opposite of what you would want in a 4-3 DT. Richardson and Wilkerson are perfect size, speed and athleticism to play DT in a 4-3. Then you want Harris to play MLB in a 4-3 b/c he's good at reading plays. Meanwhile b/c he's so slow he won't be able to get to the plays. But yes you know so much about football. The obvious answer to the DL is to rotate Wilkerson, Richardson and Coples at both DT spots and 1 DE spot while bringing in a speed rusher to play off of them. Why do you think Hughes had back to back great years? It's b/c he had Mario, Kyle Williams and Dareus to take the focus off of him. I'm don't with you. I hope you learned something son.
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Post by yuke292 on Jan 9, 2015 17:45:22 GMT -5
But Rex Knows defense ask Kyle Burnt Toast Wilson and Dee Millner
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Post by southside on Jan 9, 2015 17:45:33 GMT -5
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Post by choon328 on Jan 9, 2015 17:47:03 GMT -5
So according to your logic if the Jets had Jason Taylor in his first 3 seasons where he had 16.5 sacks in 11 more starts than Coples that constitutes that Taylor would be a career backup and a bust? See how you have no clue what you're talking about old man. So in fantasy land, again where you live and spout your football knowledge from, Coples will end up being Jason Taylor. Just like how Mark Sanchez had Eli Forehead's stats to start his career... just like how Peyton Forehead threw a bunch of INTs too... just like [insert whatever the hell you want because who the fuck really cares here]? And you have the nerve to question someone's acumen for football? Seriously dude? Just like how Jerry Rice also had drops as a rookie so Stephen Hill is gonna be fine.... I didn't say he would be Jason Taylor. Since all you keeping spouting is statistics at to why Coples is a bust you obviously would have wanted to get rid of Taylor b/c he only had 16.5 sacks his first 3 seasons. B/c as you said his sack numbers aren't worthy of keeping around.
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Post by choon328 on Jan 9, 2015 17:49:07 GMT -5
Go ahead and name me 3 4-3 DT that are 350 lbs. I'll wait. I'll name you two off the top of my head only to watch you squirm you fucking moron: Pat Williams Kris Jenkins You still want to play this game? Pat Williams...315 lbs Kris Jenkins...335 lbs Keep trying idiot.
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Post by southside on Jan 9, 2015 17:51:31 GMT -5
Everytime you come at me I counter you with facts. You don't know what you're talking about and have very limited football knowledge. That's pretty obvious at this point. One minute you say Coples is a backup, then you want him to start, then you say you never said he was a backup and then you say he's a backup again. I can't even keep track anymore. You think 350 lb DT are suited for a 4-3 defense where they have to penetrate the offensive line and rush the QB when Harrison is a run stopping 3-4 DT. He's the complete opposite of what you would want in a 4-3 DT. Richardson and Wilkerson are perfect size, speed and athleticism to play DT in a 4-3. Then you want Harris to play MLB in a 4-3 b/c he's good at reading plays. Meanwhile b/c he's so slow he won't be able to get to the plays. But yes you know so much about football. The obvious answer to the DL is to rotate Wilkerson, Richardson and Coples at both DT spots and 1 DE spot while bringing in a speed rusher to play off of them. Why do you think Hughes had back to back great years? It's b/c he had Mario, Kyle Williams and Dareus to take the focus off of him. I'm don't with you. I hope you learned something son. Every time you come at me? What is this, a ghetto street fight? Come at me bro! I named you two very large 43 DTs and you squirmed and dodged it. Good for you. Also let me help you understand something, I never denied saying that I think Coples is a career backup. I also said I'd like to see him start in a 43 DE because I'm curious but not really that curious because he's already played that role. I don't advocate hitting women but I'd Ray Rice your bitch ass right about now for continuing to argue something that you clearly didn't read correctly. And the fact that you think 43 DTs role is to penetrate... (nice word there you chronic masturbator you) shows that you are the one with limited football knowledge. Once again. And if you think that David Harris can't play MLB because he's too slow when in reality he has average speed and has played ILB his whole career shows how small minded you are. And thanks for proving my point and then contradicting yourself as to what the role of a 43 DT is with your last sentence. I did learn something, it's that you're so dumb you insulted me out of one side of your mouth and then agreed with me out of the other.
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Post by southside on Jan 9, 2015 17:53:55 GMT -5
I'll name you two off the top of my head only to watch you squirm you fucking moron: Pat Williams Kris Jenkins You still want to play this game? Pat Williams...315 lbs Kris Jenkins...335 lbs Keep trying idiot. LOL. Wiki much? You think Pat Williams was 315 pounds? And Kris Jenkins only 335? Good for you. Fact is that both players have played at 340+ pounds in their career, dickhead. God damn you are a tool. So why was it that Pat Williams had to cut his weight down to 335 in order to not piss of the Vikings coach again? Oh yeah, because he was playing at 345. And if you want to play semantics with me about their weight being exactly 350lbs then you can suck a dick. The point is that you are saying big guys can't play 43 DT because they aren't fast or athletic enough to penetrate when that's not the role of a 43 DT at all, is it? It's to keep the guards off of the LBs so that the run doesn't get to the second level... but you knew that.
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Post by choon328 on Jan 9, 2015 17:55:15 GMT -5
You are not as smart as you think you are. The role of a 3-4 DT is to occupy linemen. The role of a 4-3 DT depends on the scheme. Some 4-3 DT shoot the A gap and are responsible for C gap control on run plays. Others, like Warren Sapp, 3 Technique DT that are asked to be disruptive and rush the passer. An example of a 3-4 DT is Damon Harrison. An example of a 3 technique DT is Sheldon Richardson/Muhammad Wilkerson. The fact that you're trying to correct me while having no idea what you're talking about is what is mind blowing. Are you done making a fool out of yourself yet?
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Post by southside on Jan 9, 2015 17:57:52 GMT -5
You are not as smart as you think you are. The role of a 3-4 DT is to occupy linemen. The role of a 4-3 DT depends on the scheme. Some 4-3 DT shoot the A gap and are responsible for C gap control on run plays. Others, like Warren Sapp, 3 Technique DT that are asked to be disruptive and rush the passer. An example of a 3-4 DT is Damon Harrison. An example of a 3 technique DT is Sheldon Richardson/Muhammad Wilkerson. The fact that you're trying to correct me while having no idea what you're talking about is what is mind blowing. Are you done making a fool out of yourself yet? Oh so now it just depends on what the scheme is. So it isn't always your cookie cutter way of thinking? Only when I prove you're a fool? How about the fact that the Sapp type players are the exception to the rule when it came to being a DT. They could penetrate the gap as well which is what made them rare, but in your mind that's the role they all play. Good night, thanks for the football lessons. I'll file that right where it belongs: water.epa.gov/type/watersheds/outreach/images/trash.gif
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Post by southside on Jan 9, 2015 17:59:30 GMT -5
Seriously choon328, do me a favor and just drop it.
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Post by choon328 on Jan 9, 2015 17:59:38 GMT -5
Pat Williams...315 lbs Kris Jenkins...335 lbs Keep trying idiot. LOL. Wiki much? You think Pat Williams was 315 pounds? And Kris Jenkins only 335? Good for you. Fact is that both players have played at 340+ pounds in their career, dickhead. God damn you are a tool. So why was it that Pat Williams had to cut his weight down to 335 in order to not piss of the Vikings coach again? Oh yeah, because he was playing at 345. And if you want to play semantics with me about their weight being exactly 350lbs then you can suck a dick. The point is that you are saying big guys can't play 43 DT because they aren't fast or athletic enough to penetrate when that's not the role of a 43 DT at all, is it? It's to keep the guards off of the LBs so that the run doesn't get to the second level... but you knew that. No, I'm saying a 350 lb plodding DT can not play in a rush gap 4-3 defense. He is more suited in a 3-4 where his job is to eat up blockers and keep them off linebackers. You keep saying that is the job of a 4-3 DT but you are wrong. Fucking google it for all I care b/c you will find out that you are wrong.
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Post by choon328 on Jan 9, 2015 18:01:59 GMT -5
Seriously choon328, do me a favor and just drop it. Lol, we'll just agree to disagree I guess. Nothing personal Have a good night fellow Jets fan.
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Post by southside on Jan 9, 2015 18:04:42 GMT -5
LOL. Wiki much? You think Pat Williams was 315 pounds? And Kris Jenkins only 335? Good for you. Fact is that both players have played at 340+ pounds in their career, dickhead. God damn you are a tool. So why was it that Pat Williams had to cut his weight down to 335 in order to not piss of the Vikings coach again? Oh yeah, because he was playing at 345. And if you want to play semantics with me about their weight being exactly 350lbs then you can suck a dick. The point is that you are saying big guys can't play 43 DT because they aren't fast or athletic enough to penetrate when that's not the role of a 43 DT at all, is it? It's to keep the guards off of the LBs so that the run doesn't get to the second level... but you knew that. No, I'm saying a 350 lb plodding DT can not play in a rush gap 4-3 defense. He is more suited in a 3-4 where his job is to eat up blockers and keep them off linebackers. You keep saying that is the job of a 4-3 DT but you are wrong. Fucking google it for all I care b/c you will find out that you are wrong. Sure. And you can explain that to Jonathon Vilma's lip... you know the one that James Reed punched when he told him he needed to do his job and keep the blockers off of him. You know, since... how did you describe 43 MLBs again?.... oh yeah, since he was fast (which means he wasn't big) enough to get sideline to sideline but couldn't do shit about it because his DT... how did you describe that role again?... was rushing the passer and penetrating the gaps... no wait that can't be right because why would Vilma being a MLB be mad at his DT then if his role is to freely get sideline to sideline but he can't do that if the guards are blocking him... oh yeah it's because it is THEIR FUCKING JOB TO KEEP THE LINEMEN OFF OF THE MLB! You need to just STFU already dude. You're a walking contradiction.
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