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Post by sec.101row23 on Jan 9, 2015 14:17:11 GMT -5
Just for some perspective, if Coples' 5th year is picked up he will be paid approx 7.5 million dollars, that puts him right at the 15th highest paid DE in the league. Sorry, but Coples hasn't shown anything that warrants that kind of money. Again, it would be more prudent to see what he actually does in a 4-3 before you go committing decent money to him. I agree, that's over paying him... today. That could easily change in a year. The thing is, if he blows up in this new coaches system, there's no way we're be able to resign him and we'll be wishing we could have him for 7-8 million. I think it's worth the gamble. We spent the pick, we invested the time, i'm OK with an extra 3 mill his way and going all in on Coples. I truly believe the upside is worth it. If the light turns on, to me, he's got a higher ceiling that both Mo and Richardson. Why pay him on potential at this point? Thats what gets GMs fired. The odds that he blows up to the point where is worth being paid as a top 15 DE in the league is pretty slim right now. I'm more than willing to let things play out and address him once I see what he actualy does in the new system. |
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Post by southside on Jan 9, 2015 14:21:01 GMT -5
That's the same thinking that got Tannenbaum fired. And if you really think that he's got a higher ceiling than Mo or Richardson can you explain what the measurements are? Because if it's his ability to dominate a game Coples has never shown that ability at all. Like not even close to it. If you mean that he'd be capable of getting more sacks then you have a point. However, even your premise is built on an "IF". IF Coples turns on the figurative "light". I don't even know what that means anymore. You either have that fire or you don't. You can't fake passion. Coples doesn't have what it takes to use every ounce of his talent on every down that he's on the field. He's shown that, I'd say that every scout that looked at him except for Rex thought the exact same thing. What are you even talking about? You sound like an asshole whose agenda is quickly escalating into a Hot guy I'd like to blowed diatribe. I get it, WE ALL GET IT. You don't think he's all that and a can of soup. You're fixated on his sack stats and have shown me nothing that says you have fucking clue what his pedigree is. He was never supposed to be a sack artist. You don't think the light will turn on, or that he'll ever come around in the passion department? Fine. Leave it at that. But don't tell me what he is, or isn't capable of. I stand by the fact that we've come this far with him, and to me, he's on the fringe. The right coach/system could put him over into the dominating category. I want be able to reap that if possible - and an extra few mil is worth it when you're talking about a guy with ton of talent. I agree, that's over paying him... today. That could easily change in a year. The thing is, if he blows up in this new coaches system, there's no way we're be able to resign him and we'll be wishing we could have him for 7-8 million. I think it's worth the gamble. We spent the pick, we invested the time, i'm OK with an extra 3 mill his way and going all in on Coples. I truly believe the upside is worth it. If the light turns on, to me, he's got a higher ceiling that both Mo and Richardson. Why pay him on potential at this point? Thats what gets GMs fired. The odds that he blows up to the point where is worth being paid as a top 15 DE in the league is pretty slim right now. I'm more than willing to let things play out and address him once I see what he actualy does in the new system. First off, I hope you come at sec.101row23 with that same bullshit because he just said the exact same thing I did. Second, do you even read because I've talked a lot more about his ability than just his sack total? Third, I don't know his pedigree but you do? WTF kind of statement is that? I know what I've seen in 3 seasons of him playing on the field. I know what scouts said about him and what Rex got onto him about every offseason that he's been here. The guy isn't that good. You are emotionally invested in it. WE GET IT. |
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Post by Paradis on Jan 9, 2015 14:22:46 GMT -5
I agree, that's over paying him... today. That could easily change in a year. The thing is, if he blows up in this new coaches system, there's no way we're be able to resign him and we'll be wishing we could have him for 7-8 million. I think it's worth the gamble. We spent the pick, we invested the time, i'm OK with an extra 3 mill his way and going all in on Coples. I truly believe the upside is worth it. If the light turns on, to me, he's got a higher ceiling that both Mo and Richardson. Why pay him on potential at this point? Thats what gets GMs fired. The odds that he blows up to the point where is worth being paid as a top 15 DE in the league is pretty slim right now. I'm more than willing to let things play out and address him once I see what he actualy does in the new system. I can't see a GM coming under heavy fire because they picked up an option on 1st round defensive player like Coples. Not when we're likely to be a fine cap-shape for the next couple years. No one likes over paying on potential, but in cases where there's lots of it, it's not in the realm of "stupid" IMO. If we weren't going through such a big transition with a new coaching staff, I'd probably have a different opinion. But Coples is undeniably the guy that everyone is saying OK - finally lets see what the this guy can do when he's used appropriately. You couple those things together, and I feel like there's enough to warrant an exception. |
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Post by southside on Jan 9, 2015 14:31:48 GMT -5
Why pay him on potential at this point? Thats what gets GMs fired. The odds that he blows up to the point where is worth being paid as a top 15 DE in the league is pretty slim right now. I'm more than willing to let things play out and address him once I see what he actualy does in the new system. I can't see a GM coming under heavy fire because they picked up an option on 1st round defensive player like Coples. Not when we're likely to be a fine cap-shape for the next couple years. No one likes over paying on potential, but in cases where there's lots of it, it's not in the realm of "stupid" IMO. If we weren't going through such a big transition with a new coaching staff, I'd probably have a different opinion. But Coples is undeniably the guy that everyone is saying OK - finally lets see what the this guy can do when he's used appropriately. You couple those things together, and I feel like there's enough to warrant an exception. First off, congratulations on doing exactly what I thought you would do... which is keep your mouth shut towards sec.101row23. Secondly, I'm glad you feel like it's enough to warrant over paying Coples based on some fairy tale notion that he will wake up tomorrow morning and become Lawrence Taylor. It isn't happening. I feel like his play is enough to warrant the Jets cutting him and drafting someone to take his place. It's my curiosity that would keep him on the team assuming that the new coach moves him to a 43 DE but even then it's taking a chance ONLY to justify that we drafted him with the 16th overall pick and he hasn't lived up to anything at all. |
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Post by Paradis on Jan 9, 2015 14:32:21 GMT -5
No, he's not basically. He's engaging in a discussion. You walked into the thread with this: Barely showed anything. Wasted draft pick. Let him walk. That kind of dickish presentation gets handled as such. The fuck kind of replies did you expect? |
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Jan 9, 2015 14:34:16 GMT -5
Coples needs to go against opposing teams guards. He's just not quick or good enough to consistently beat even decent OT's. It's really the only spot where he can be effective.
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Post by southside on Jan 9, 2015 14:40:08 GMT -5
No, he's not basically. He's engaging in a discussion. You walked into the thread with this: Barely showed anything. Wasted draft pick. Let him walk. That kind of dickish presentation gets handled as such. The fuck kind of replies did you expect? At what point did I not engage in the discussion? Hell, you even called it a diatribe which means there had to be some sort of passionate wordy display, no? And I only was a dick once McGinley acted like a pussy when he was the one quoting me. And then you coming out talking shit, probably because you're chummy with McGinley, so I'll be a dick to you as well. Actually I wasn't even being a dick to you. I asked you what you judged your ceiling on because you made a ludicrous statement (which I didn't even call you out on) that Coples has a higher upside than Mo and Richardson. Certainly it can't be based on his sack totals or his play on the field but merely that he has more PERCEIVED athletic ability than the others. You however didn't like that I said that and got aggressive and then someone below me posted the EXACT same statement: That your idea of paying him based on what you are hoping he may become is what gets GMs fired. So flame on. I'm man enough to handle it without crying about it and ignoring people. In the end I don't even give a shit either about any of this attacking towards me. You guys take this shit way too personally/seriously. It's just a message board where people can express their opinions. |
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Post by Bavarian on Jan 9, 2015 14:47:00 GMT -5
Either put him on the line as a DT or cut ties. He's an ok player, but nothing special, at least from what I've seen. He's replaceable and big money shouldn't be wasted on him and his half ass effort he puts out there. The Jets return 3 starters who will play DT without Coples. |
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Post by Bavarian on Jan 9, 2015 14:49:44 GMT -5
Also, because Jerry Hughes. Man I really wanted Jerry Hughes in that draft. It's nice seeing him finally flourish. Sucks that it's with Buffalo tho. You may still get your wish as he's a FA. |
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Post by Bavarian on Jan 9, 2015 14:53:10 GMT -5
Coples needs to go against opposing teams guards. He's just not quick or good enough to consistently beat even decent OT's. It's really the only spot where he can be effective. Which still surprises me since watching him completely dominate every top OT prospect in the Senior Bowl. He could not be stopped - easily the best player there. Hasn't translated to the NFL. He'll get one more chance here. |
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Post by Touchable on Jan 9, 2015 14:53:53 GMT -5
No, he's not basically. He's engaging in a discussion. You walked into the thread with this: Barely showed anything. Wasted draft pick. Let him walk. That kind of dickish presentation gets handled as such. The fuck kind of replies did you expect? At what point did I not engage in the discussion? Hell, you even called it a diatribe which means there had to be some sort of passionate wordy display, no? And I only was a dick once McGinley acted like a pussy when he was the one quoting me. And then you coming out talking shit, probably because you're chummy with McGinley, so I'll be a dick to you as well. Actually I wasn't even being a dick to you. I asked you what you judged your ceiling on because you made a ludicrous statement (which I didn't even call you out on) that Coples has a higher upside than Mo and Richardson. Certainly it can't be based on his sack totals or his play on the field but merely that he has more PERCEIVED athletic ability than the others. You however didn't like that I said that and got aggressive and then someone below me posted the EXACT same statement: That your idea of paying him based on what you are hoping he may become is what gets GMs fired. So flame on. I'm man enough to handle it without crying about it and ignoring people. In the end I don't even give a shit either about any of this attacking towards me. You guys take this shit way too personally/seriously. It's just a message board where people can express their opinions. Who gave you the Ray Ray Potion No.9? |
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Post by Bavarian on Jan 9, 2015 14:58:27 GMT -5
At what point did I not engage in the discussion? Hell, you even called it a diatribe which means there had to be some sort of passionate wordy display, no? And I only was a dick once McGinley acted like a pussy when he was the one quoting me. And then you coming out talking shit, probably because you're chummy with McGinley, so I'll be a dick to you as well. Actually I wasn't even being a dick to you. I asked you what you judged your ceiling on because you made a ludicrous statement (which I didn't even call you out on) that Coples has a higher upside than Mo and Richardson. Certainly it can't be based on his sack totals or his play on the field but merely that he has more PERCEIVED athletic ability than the others. You however didn't like that I said that and got aggressive and then someone below me posted the EXACT same statement: That your idea of paying him based on what you are hoping he may become is what gets GMs fired. So flame on. I'm man enough to handle it without crying about it and ignoring people. In the end I don't even give a shit either about any of this attacking towards me. You guys take this shit way too personally/seriously. It's just a message board where people can express their opinions. Who gave you the Ray Ray Potion No.9? He obviously mistook it for love potion no. 9. South side needs some love. Missed out on the conjugal visits. |
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Post by southside on Jan 9, 2015 14:58:30 GMT -5
Man I really wanted Jerry Hughes in that draft. It's nice seeing him finally flourish. Sucks that it's with Buffalo tho. You may still get your wish as he's a FA. A free agent with 10 sacks a season for two years in Buffalo, 1 sack in 3 years in Indy.... and he's only 6'2 258.... I've got a couple red flags going off right now (over paid in FA, small, how can you suck for 3 years and all the sudden start playing well for the last 2... inconsistency probably returns with new found wealth). On a side note, I wonder how many of those sacks were on Geno. |
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Post by southside on Jan 9, 2015 14:59:53 GMT -5
At what point did I not engage in the discussion? Hell, you even called it a diatribe which means there had to be some sort of passionate wordy display, no? And I only was a dick once McGinley acted like a pussy when he was the one quoting me. And then you coming out talking shit, probably because you're chummy with McGinley, so I'll be a dick to you as well. Actually I wasn't even being a dick to you. I asked you what you judged your ceiling on because you made a ludicrous statement (which I didn't even call you out on) that Coples has a higher upside than Mo and Richardson. Certainly it can't be based on his sack totals or his play on the field but merely that he has more PERCEIVED athletic ability than the others. You however didn't like that I said that and got aggressive and then someone below me posted the EXACT same statement: That your idea of paying him based on what you are hoping he may become is what gets GMs fired. So flame on. I'm man enough to handle it without crying about it and ignoring people. In the end I don't even give a shit either about any of this attacking towards me. You guys take this shit way too personally/seriously. It's just a message board where people can express their opinions. Who gave you the Ray Ray Potion No.9? Who gave you the Ray Ray Potion No.9? He obviously mistook it for love potion no. 9. No idea what that's supposed to mean, but I'm pretty sure Ray Ray blew smoke up everyone's ass about how great the Jets really were and how they did no wrong. If anything I'm the antithesis of that. I have no problem calling someone on their bullshit though. |
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Post by Bavarian on Jan 9, 2015 15:00:40 GMT -5
You may still get your wish as he's a FA. A free agent with 10 sacks a season for two years in Buffalo, 1 sack in 3 years in Indy.... and he's only 6'2 258.... I've got a couple red flags going off right now (over paid in FA, small, how can you suck for 3 years and all the sudden start playing well for the last 2... inconsistency probably returns with new found wealth). On a side note, I wonder how many of those sacks were on Geno. How about Jabaal Sheard? |
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