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Post by TheMo on Dec 28, 2014 19:03:02 GMT -5
Fire him. Can't believe people are seriously entertaining the idea of keeping him. And he won some at the end last year, what good did that do the team next season. People just refuse to look at him objectively.
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Post by TheMo on Dec 26, 2014 22:57:37 GMT -5
Cutler prob goes for a 3 and maybe a conditional pick that can turn into a 2. Although Alex Smith went for a 2 and conditional that turned into another 2 rd pick so who knows. All I know is if this scenario played out it would be best case if our new GM wants a QB early. The issue is everyone knows that CHI is completely done with Cutler. He is not gonna stay there under any circumstance, esp with his huge contract. A team would be doing the Bears a favor to some degree by taking Cutler. I remember even reading that Chicago may even have to sweeten the deal to dump him somewhere.
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Post by TheMo on Dec 25, 2014 14:46:37 GMT -5
Wouldn't they most likely have to trade their first round pick to the Bears, who would then in turn draft one of Winston or Mariotta? No way cutler gets them a 1st round pick, let alone a #2 overall
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Post by TheMo on Dec 24, 2014 20:05:40 GMT -5
Hopefully this leads to Bradway's end. I dont care what we do. If that man is still employed, it will be the same old song and dance. I think Bradway is like Melvin from Office Space We laid him off years ago, but someone forgot to give him his pink slip. Bradway as he reads UT on JI...
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Post by TheMo on Dec 23, 2014 14:12:14 GMT -5
This whole "Trade Wilkerson" talk is absolutely ridiculous. First off, because he isnt JJ Watt, doesnt mean that he isnt an exceptional player. Secondly, you say "8-10 sack guy who can play the run great" as if that is something easy to find. Lastly, his versatility to play DE and DT is extremely valuable. As for a trade, very few GMs would ever trade a pick and THEN need to sign wilkerson. So we are going to trade him this offseason, to a team that will then sign him to an extension? Why on earth wouldnt we use this years low number to negoitiate a favorable long term deal with a great defensive lineman? If you want to shake up the team a bit and try to acquire a pick, the smart move is to tender damon harrison with a 2nd round tender and let him sign elsewhere. He is a player who doesnt fit the 4-3 and could net us the second round pick (or worst case a 3rd) you talk about for wilkerson. Wilkerson is by far worth more on the field and cap wise then harrison. How is Wilkerson more cap-wise than Harrison? And why would you want two 10M+ players at either 3-4 DE or 4-3 DT? You know Sheldon will dictate that money as well. Beyond that, I would like to know why you think Wilk would be better alongside Sheldon in a 4-3? If you look at many 4-3 inside tandems, there's one that is a prototype run-stuffer that mimics the NT (oversized). I think it's fools money being wasted where it better be allocated and I don't believe talk of his being traded especially when he's hinting at Watt money is ridiculous for a new regime. A lot of 4-3 NTs are wilkersons size actually. I went looking with the same thought you had (that they would be more of Harrison's size) but was surprised that Wilk fit the bill better especially given how dangerous the guy would be versus a guy like snacks. If he signs for 10-12 I keep him, if he wants 16 and doesn't back down I try to move him after I franchise him for a year or two.
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Post by TheMo on Dec 21, 2014 16:15:58 GMT -5
Classic Rex drive to finish it. Defense giving up key 3rd downs... Defense gives up 17 to SparklePony, and you still bitch 17 includes a fucking give me pick that leads to 7 FUCK When all he talks about is how awesome his D is and all we have invested in is his D, then yes I expect better...
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Post by TheMo on Dec 21, 2014 15:55:17 GMT -5
Classic Rex drive to finish it. Defense giving up key 3rd downs...
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Post by TheMo on Dec 18, 2014 22:16:40 GMT -5
Excuse me, are you now saying this is possible to trade Wilkerson???!!!
How two-faced can you be? You blast a couple of posters on another thread for suggesting this and here you are, openly discussing this as if it were a perfectly good idea. You can't be serious! You said this is virtually impossible. And that this is an extremely rare occurrence although when I brought up two examples from our team alone, you cast it off as some anomaly. You sir, are ridiculous. No credibility in my eyes whatsoever.
Time to block your insanity. I don't even want to see your ridiculous explanation. Good-bye!
How stupid are you? I said players are rarely traded in a trade up scenario. Again you fail to recognize the difference. You are the same a hole that was Drunk Old Joe on the old JI that was banned numerous times. You cry like a little girl when people state simple facts to disprove anything you say. So go ahead block me, it's really of little concern to me. He cried some more when I called him out. Also did this in a private message no less.
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Post by TheMo on Dec 17, 2014 23:53:45 GMT -5
Maybe I missed the memo but why is everyone contemplating trading Mo? We finally draft a stud in the first round, develop him, and he is just coming into his prime....yet some here want too trade him for pennies on the dollar. We have the cap space and he fits both a 3 or 4 man front and is an elite player in the league. Why would anyone want to trade him, players that perform like he has get paid when their rookie deal expires. The good franchises lock these type of players up long term. I think this more under the assumption that he will want Watt money, which admittedly might be a totally faulty assumption. If that's the case he is not on that level at all. I'd give 11 million a year max. I think Richardson is the superior of the two, better motor and bigger pass rush upside.
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Post by TheMo on Dec 17, 2014 23:49:05 GMT -5
That's what what I want to know. What's going on? And I said heeeeeeeey heeeeeeeey heeeeeeeey heeeeeeeey heeeeeeeey heeeeeeeey hey! I said hey! What's going on?!
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Post by TheMo on Dec 17, 2014 18:31:53 GMT -5
Okay this Okay this I can agree with. Yes we can agree on the fact that there is a even bigger issue that the Jets have absolutely shitty scouting. BUT once you get a good set of people evaluating the prospects getting them their ideal prospects at positions of needs is much better than a 5-11. No more barking back and forth at each other, this is a serious question I have for you: What will these last 3 wins mean for this team even this season? Especially that win we eeked out against a really bad team last Sunday? It's not what the wins will mean to the team. It's what they will mean to me as a fan. I am not on the coaching staff or from the FO. I am just a fan who wants to see his team win whenever they play. As I have said, moving a few positions in the draft is no big deal, and it's not worth it to me to watch them pile up losses to improve draft position. And it would be especially sweet if they could bump the Pats out of the #1 seed. Just a bit of end-of-the season cheer, in a season that has had very little to cheer about. And as for beating the Fins on the last day, I hope that speaks for itself. Nothing like a meal of fresh fish for starting the offseason on the right foot. Tasted pretty good last year. Idk maybe we just view things completely differently in terms of what we root for. If the wins mean bad things for the team, I don't want them. I want the best thing for this team, and beating the Titans did nothing for me.
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Post by TheMo on Dec 17, 2014 18:26:06 GMT -5
New thought. We need to hope for a Tampa win and Jags getting the top pick. Trade up ours plus Wilk for the #1. I think the Jags would take it. Either they double dip in DL and solve their woes on defense, or they can fill another position and speed up their rebuild. This is assuming a new regime believes in Mariota. I am starting to believe in Garret Grayson, but that could be me trying to make myself feel better about not getting Mariota.
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Post by TheMo on Dec 17, 2014 17:48:53 GMT -5
I'm not really arguing with your premise. I did root for the jets to lose because I wanted one of the top two qbs but I'm smart enough to know that for every other position where you pick doesn't matter. Who do you think the bills would rather have sammy Watkins for 2 first round picks or take Odell beckham with their original pick and still have a first round pick this year too. Scott write on his latest draft podcast did a draft redo for 2014 and Watkins was the 3rd receiver off the board behind Evans and beckham. Many second round players were in the first round and Derrick Carr was the 2nd pick in the draft with bridge water in the top 10. The draft is a total crap shoot and even the first qb picked isn't always the best but with qb I feel that usually the first one picked has the best chance to succeed but I agree about heisman winners being dangerous. Im under no illusion that we absolutely set ourselves back with the win but we might have. Well find out. Until then I'll let it play out and not freak out. That is my whole point. No matter how good any single player looks in the draft there's no telling how he will actually do in the NFL. And so moving a few slots up or down is not really all that important. That's why I keep mentioning the perennially winning teams. They seem to do well just about every season, get low draft picks as a result, then they just keep on winning anyway. I'd like to enjoy myself watching the team get a few wins, then hope like hell we pick up the scouts and FO personnel that will let us become perennial winners too. I think it must defy the odds that the Jets have done so poorly for so long. And it has absolutely nothing to do with what their fans root for. Okay this Okay this I can agree with. Yes we can agree on the fact that there is a even bigger issue that the Jets have absolutely shitty scouting. BUT once you get a good set of people evaluating the prospects getting them their ideal prospects at positions of needs is much better than a 5-11. No more barking back and forth at each other, this is a serious question I have for you: What will these last 3 wins mean for this team even this season? Especially that win we eeked out against a really bad team last Sunday?
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Post by TheMo on Dec 17, 2014 17:29:45 GMT -5
Hahahahahaha that is logic... now I've seen it all l o l Well if you can stop laughing long enough to be able to actually engage your brain, how about an answer to Warner Wolf's point? In 80 years of the Heisman only 3 Heisman-winning QB's have done anything: Staubach, Plunkett, and Testaverde. If you want to pile up losses for a chance at Mariota, enjoy yourself. I'd rather see them win. OK. Now you can go back to laughing. Palmer and Newton have both posted 85+ passer ratings over the course of their careers. I wouldn't call that doing nothing. Winning the Heismann doesn't guarantee success, but it doesn't mean that you are guaranteed to fail either. Correlation does not equal causation.
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Post by TheMo on Dec 17, 2014 17:19:09 GMT -5
What will keep Wilkerson's trade value down is his contract situation. He is due to be a FA after next season and right now is looking for decent to big money. If you look back at recent trades for higher profile players like Harvin and Revis, where teams gave up high picks and paid big money, they haven't exactly worked out very well for the teams trading for that player. Excuse me, are you now saying this is possible to trade Wilkerson???!!!
How two-faced can you be? You blast a couple of posters on another thread for suggesting this and here you are, openly discussing this as if it were a perfectly good idea. You can't be serious! You said this is virtually impossible. And that this is an extremely rare occurrence although when I brought up two examples from our team alone, you cast it off as some anomaly. You sir, are ridiculous. No credibility in my eyes whatsoever.
Time to block your insanity. I don't even want to see your ridiculous explanation. Good-bye!
Nobody gives a shit about your hissy fit in the draft forum. If you want to act like a sensitive little tool go to scout... Edit: Private message with a more crying lol...
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