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Post by TheMo on Dec 17, 2014 17:17:12 GMT -5
I'd especially be in favor of trading Wilkerson or letting him walk after next year if we hire a guy like Dan Quinn as HC and he wants to transition to more of a 4-3. Have Snacks at the nose, Sheldon at the 3-tech, and Coples bouncing back and forth between DE and DT. That's when I'd especially become open to Gregory if the Top 2 QB's and Cooper are off the board. Gregory, Harrison, Richardson, Coples That has the potential to be a flatout dominant DL that can rush the shit out of the passer and still dominate against the run. Doesn't Wilk fit a 4-3 NT better? I am not saying that your wrong, honestly just asking. I was doing some researching on other 4-3 rosters and the Wilk-Richardson interior combo appears to be more ideal fit than the Snacks-Richardson pair. Obviously this would be discounting price, but the former pair would be dominant for about 4 million more a year v. your high price for Snacks. Wilk actually fits the larger DT position in a 4-3 rather LE. Maybe I am wrong, but those are just my initial thoughts.
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Post by TheMo on Dec 17, 2014 17:01:47 GMT -5
Using your bizarro logic the Colts shouldn't have picked Luck because Russel was a #1 bust. Completely faulty logic and the win does absolutely nothing but weaken our draft position. So yea I am going to flame this ridiculous reasoning. Your Pats example is foolish because you basically discount a HOF QB in Brady. He allows the Pats to skimp with Gronk and a few WR, all while maintaining an elite passing attack. They were able to improve the defense with lower picks because you can find some high probability defensive players later in the first. Not the case with the QB (which you again conveniently ignored in your reasoning). You can also pick up FA pieces to fix a D. You can rarely pick up an FA QB like that. You are a very shortsighted fan. The win felt great, but without a young QB to develop you are basically happy about long term mediocrity all for us slipping by a shitty fucking titans team. I guess the logic seems bizarro to you because what you say here shows that you did not understand the logic. No, I am not saying not to take Luck because Russel sucked. What I said was that you should not lose simply to get into a draft position for a chance at what seems like the best guy, because it is likely that guy will suck anyway. The thing to do is to pick the best guy available wherever you wind up in the draft. And if you're really lucky you can get a Brady in the 6th round, just like the Pats did. In the meantime, try to win every game you play. Hahahahahaha that is logic... now I've seen it all l o l
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Post by TheMo on Dec 17, 2014 16:59:11 GMT -5
Sorry I can't share your enthusiasm as I am getting flashbacks to the Gholston pick in 2008 when we dropped three spots on the last day simply to get an OT win against KC and our reward was to miss out on Matt Ryan who we would've had a shot at finishing 3-13 that year (ATL finished 4-12). Timely wins and timely losses separate franchises. Indy picked the right year to tank but it appears the Jets can't even get that right in both years they stink. Actually, the Gholston case is the perfect example for a Jets fan as to why draft position is not all that important (at least not if you're talking about moving a few slots either way). Imagine if the Jets got the #1 pick, picked Mariota, and then he played at the level of Gholston. Given the track record of Heisman-winning QB's, a poor QB is more likely than a great, or even good, one. I prefer to win now. What fucking difference does it make? We aren't talking 10-6 and the playoffs with even a first round loss! It's a fucking 2-12 v. 3-11... or 5-11 if you want to win out. Congrats and this is meaningful why? Win now and we get... the same damn thing with lower draft picks. And I have no idea what your logic is with Gholston is. If we were 3 picks higher we grab Ryan instead of Gholston, but that wasn't an option because we won a meaningless game. Stop trying to be logical... because you are not being logical. You have ridiculous desires as a fan that you are trying to wrap in logic.
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Post by TheMo on Dec 17, 2014 16:47:55 GMT -5
Using your bizarro logic the Colts shouldn't have picked Luck because Russel was a #1 bust. Completely faulty logic and the win does absolutely nothing but weaken our draft position. So yea I am going to flame this ridiculous reasoning. Your Pats example is foolish because you basically discount a HOF QB in Brady. He allows the Pats to skimp with Gronk and a few WR, all while maintaining an elite passing attack. They were able to improve the defense with lower picks because you can find some high probability defensive players later in the first. Not the case with the QB (which you again conveniently ignored in your reasoning). You can also pick up FA pieces to fix a D. You can rarely pick up an FA QB like that. You are a very shortsighted fan. The win felt great, but without a young QB to develop you are basically happy about long term mediocrity all for us slipping by a shitty fucking titans team.
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Post by TheMo on Dec 15, 2014 23:24:03 GMT -5
I would spontaneously combust if we went defense in the first. If the QBs and Coop are gone then go OL. We have enough DL and we need proven CBs. Time to invest in offense, heavily. What OL are you taking?? If Peat isn't available I am not taking a OT that is more of an RT (Scherff) and this guard class can barely get a guy in the 1st round let alone in the top 10.
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Post by TheMo on Dec 15, 2014 23:21:44 GMT -5
The kids explosion off the snap is insane and his variety of passrush moves to disengage is absurd despite his label as a "raw" prospect. The sky is the limit for this kid and by all accounts, he has the desire and work ethic to back up his batshit, crazy upside. This is just a few highlights from 2013. Nevermind his 2014 season where he noticeably bulked up and proved that his sophomore campaign was no fluke. Put this motherfucker behind Mo, Sheldon and Snacks and watch him rape opposing QB's. No more defense. How do you suppose we move from the 32nd ranked offense to the 15th ranked offense? By drafting another fucking defensive player yet again. There will be an offensive guy worth taking at 6th overall. Gregory is a nice prospect but he's not the second coming of Bruce Smith or even Jadaveon Clowney. We need to draft offense, even if we don't have the QB. Let's set up the future QB with a legit chance too succeed, whether that is OL or WR. Then we can draft RB and TE later. Keep drafting defense and you get the current incarnation of the NY Jets. If Cooper and the QBs are gone I am not sure which offense player would make any sense to help us in that regard. We can grab an RT or OG in the 2nd round. As has been mentioned there are no WR that would be worth it that high other than Cooper. Not taking an RB. And there you have it, you'd be taking someone for the sake of taking them.
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Post by TheMo on Dec 15, 2014 13:04:07 GMT -5
What are the conditions that would make the Harvin compensation a 4th round pick? If he isn't cut before the new league year sometime in March or something, we give up the 4th. So we'd have to cut him to give up the 6th and then we could try to resign him but at that point it's a bidding war, unless we arranged a wink-wink deal ala Vilma and the Saints.
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Post by TheMo on Dec 15, 2014 12:57:53 GMT -5
We need to pray for Connor Cook to declare. And hope that he doesn't leap frog Winston if he does declare... fuckin Rex... One of my friends is a Michigan State alum and for some reason he doesn't think Cook projects well to the NFL. I didn't have a deep conversation about the guy but from people who have watched Cook every game for the past couple years they don't seem overwhelmingly enthusiastic. My friend said Cook's best move would be to return for one more year at MSU to get more NFL-ready. His accuracy can be off sometimes, likely a product of some inconsistencies in footwork and mechanics. Despite being from a pro-style offense he is a little raw, but he has the structure to take off and be as good as the other two if not better.
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Post by TheMo on Dec 15, 2014 12:18:40 GMT -5
So we DOUBLE our chances of finding a Super Bowl QB if we pick him in the first round. Good enough for me. Notice how the better run organizations are even more prevalent in the SB-winner list than any individual QB. Sign me up for one of those . . . This becomes chicken-egg stuff. Maybe the better run organizations are better because they took chances on QBs while the middling orgs settled for "value" QBs in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
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Post by TheMo on Dec 15, 2014 12:10:17 GMT -5
HOw long has Polamalu been in the NFL, and how long did it take before that was the case? Are the Steelers playing safeties at CB? it's the second part of my sentence that's the relevant part: you're picked at #18 and you don't have a single impact play all year, except for negative impact plays in which you're dropping sure interceptions and taking ridiculous angles, not to mention not making one single "big hit" when that's supposedly your rep? he was fucking benched for christsake, and he's fucking yapping about "real fans?" It's okay shakin, you and I are fake fans and this is all above our simpleton understanding. Allow the brilliance of Grand Master Pryor wash over you...
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Post by TheMo on Dec 15, 2014 11:41:24 GMT -5
I get your point but we picked ghost in at 6 Sanchez at 5 revis at 14, give me a win against the pats. I could care less about the dolphin game at this point. But would love to shove it up Tom Brady assOh....ok then. Anywayyyyyyys, here's to hoping Rex has his throat stepped on by Bills oh so loveable cheaters. That fat bastard put me in such awful mood that I just want to see him gutted at Metlife. Booed off the goddamn field and everything. Today I drank because of this team. I can't really say I've been pushed to that point before. Fuck Rex Ryan. Fuck John Idzik. I hope we get fucking EMBARRASSED next Sunday. Revis pick six, Brady torching us from start to finish type embarrassed. The type of game that will put that buffoon out of a job for. Fucking. Life. Then hopefully Tennessee beats the Jags and our hopes for Mariota/Winston will be restored. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. But we can't get back to #1, my understanding is we can be #3 at best now...
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Post by TheMo on Dec 15, 2014 11:39:41 GMT -5
Said that last year knocking the dolphins out of playoff contention. What does that mean to us today? Absolutely nothing. I get your point but we picked ghost in at 6 Sanchez at 5 revis at 14, give me a win against the pats. I could care less about the dolphin game at this point. But would love to shove it up Tom Brady ass You just proved our fucking point. Lose one more game and we get Ryan not Ghost. Perhaps Stafford instead of Sanchez. Also we traded up for Revis.
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Post by TheMo on Dec 15, 2014 11:33:30 GMT -5
We need to pray for Connor Cook to declare. And hope that he doesn't leap frog Winston if he does declare... fuckin Rex...
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Post by TheMo on Dec 15, 2014 11:25:12 GMT -5
By the time the prospects start getting hyper analyzed for the draft we may not have to trade up. We're all wrapped up in the idea that we lost the top 2 qbs but by the combine and prodays both qbs may be devalued. Even worse both qbs might go back to school and we rooted for the jets to lose for nothing. Time to kick back and let it play out without getting upset. and maybe one of us wins the Powerball lottery, too. Let's get serious here : Mariota(no matter what) is going to be drafted at #1, Period. (well that's my opinion anyway) It's Winston(with all his baggage) that is the question of where he drops. Not that I actually want him but he just might be a significant upgrade to what we have right now. ALTHOUGH, I would prefer Cooper... Don't be so sure. Bridgewater was an ABSOLUTE lock to be #1 at this time last year. Then he gets overanalyzed (in my opinion) and drops all the way down in the 1st. I don't think it's likely for Mariota, but then again I didn't think it was at all likely with Bridgewater (pro style, pocket QB with athleticism and very polished)
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Post by TheMo on Dec 15, 2014 11:13:01 GMT -5
I would love Cooper, but he's not dropping to five or six. Expect the raiders to pick him before our pick. So the Raiders would draft a Wide Receiver before they'd draft a QB? Am I missing something here?They are likely staying with Carr. The guy has looked pretty damn good on that dumpster fire of an offense.
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