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Post by greenwave on Sept 25, 2016 18:49:12 GMT -5
I don't wish the guy ill-will. I just hate him as a QB. He sucks. Put in Petty, let him get his ass kicked. It will do him so good. I hope he gets fucked by a donkey in tijuana This is harsh. But I would admittedly let the donkey get in a good 50 / 60 strokes before calling any authorities.
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Post by greenwave on Sept 25, 2016 18:47:36 GMT -5
I actually have less respect for the Jets receivers for wanting the guy back so bad.
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Post by greenwave on Sept 25, 2016 18:42:29 GMT -5
Bright spot: Enunwa is a tough, physical receiver who will only get better, and the Jets will have him for a whole additional year before he leaves the team to sign with the Pats and catch 80 passes a season for the next 10 years.
Derron Lee is a big-time playmaker who will force a ton of 2nd / 3rd & longs in his career. Don't get me wrong, he'll get beat by a TE or a RB for a 3rd-down conversion every time too, but at least we'll remember how fast he is on first and second downs.
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Post by greenwave on Sept 25, 2016 18:37:37 GMT -5
Even as someone who did NOT want the Jets to resign Fitz, I have to admit that Geno looked atrocious in the preseason.
I would still rather be 0-3 with Geno or Petty, knowing that one of those guys actually had a shot to get better and that the team would be picking higher next year. Instead, we get to watch these clowns fumble to 7-9 / 9-7 at best, knowing that they'll be bad enough to get knocked out of the playoffs in the first round (if they make it), and be just good enough to miss out on the top-tier talent that might have actually helped the team in the future.
For the gamblers - Jets are a LOCK next week. The torture must continue beyond Week 3, and no one does it like this team.
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Post by greenwave on Sept 15, 2016 18:40:01 GMT -5
Last three responses win.
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Post by greenwave on Sept 15, 2016 16:48:11 GMT -5
There's nothing they can do tonight. Burned too many times over the many years to get excited about this team over one game - any dominance tonight is nothing but a tease until they can do it consistently. As far as I'm concerned, a win tonight is a lock just so they can string us along for a few more weeks.
They don't need to worry about winning me over, but if they want to, 3-1 going into the Pittsburgh game will do it. That's about the only way I can get excited about this bunch like I have in the past.
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Post by greenwave on Sept 12, 2016 13:23:13 GMT -5
We have plenty of excuses we are jets fans. I just got that feeling that thursday night is going to be bringing a lot of fire and brimstone to the hampur. Disappointing start to the season, certainly entertaining watching people freak out. I won't be gettin worked up this season. I knew what this season was gonna be the minute the schedule was released and Fitz was brought back. We will not beat anyone with a playoff calibre defense, we didn't last year and we certainly won't this year. I didn't enjoy it last year so I'm sticking to my word and just enjoying the football supporting the team. This is where I am. The Jets will lose lead after lead this year, and we'll all get to watch the best player in this team's history go out looking like Curtis did back in the '05 season. It's in the cards, just like it's in the cards that we'll watch Fitz waste the best WR talent we've seen since '02 with his inability to deliver consistently at any range. Also guaranteed is a Jets win on Thursday. Had yesterday played out like it should, we would have been all confidence for Thursday's game, and the Jets would have dropped it. Since they lost to Cincy, and a loss on Thursday is almost a death knell (considering the schedule), Jets are guaranteed a win in Orchard Park. The torture must go on for at least a few weeks, and we all know it.
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Post by greenwave on Jul 28, 2016 13:56:07 GMT -5
Say this then it's time to accept it. Only this organisation is dumb enough to pay a career jag QB who has never been to the playoffs 12 mil guaranteed which can become 15 with incentives. Not only that but paying it when there' is no competition and said QB has zero leverage makes it even more dreadful. Mac folded like a cheap lawn chair and he should be embarrassed. But the dumbest thing of all is the organisation and players actually seem convinced they can break an 11 year trend and win with this guy. I really thought we had changed and love what Bowles and Macc have done thus far, but lettin a player of this caliber walk all over them is up there with the many stupid decisions I've seen this franchise make time and time again over the years. Absolutely pathetic and I'm disgusted. Only a dumbass SOJF would actually think this is a bad deal. The Jets WON this deal. Big time. Look at his demands at the start of negotiations and where he ended up. The Jets had significant leverage once Foles was released and were prepared to walk. Fitz blinked and took the Jets deal out of desperation. It's clear you've never once taken part in a serious business negotiation in your life. Any skilled negotiator would know that the Jets got the better end of this deal. Was it perfect? No, but no good negotiation usually is. Both side have to give something up in order to get things done. In this particular case, Fitz gave up much more than the Jets did. No, THIS post is dumb. And inaccurate. Fitzpatrick was ready to sign this deal back in June. This EXACT deal. Boy, the Jets really played that "significant leverage" card really well, eh?
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Post by greenwave on Jul 28, 2016 12:10:57 GMT -5
I'm not going to continue to go back and forth with you. I'm not sure you know what the stuff you are complaining about means schematically. If your answer to people "loading the box" and blitzing like crazy is to throw the ball deep, then you don't understand why the defense does it in the first place, so what's the point of discussing it. There are absolutely times where lack of a deep game might hurt us, against teams that run defenses like the Bills, it isn't one of the big issues. Nice cop out. You obviously are not understanding my point so are deciding to question my knowledge on the whole subject, anyway I will try again. I said the best way to beat Fitz is to play a cover zero, jam the receivers at the line and commit the extra safety to the blitz and force Fitz to get the ball out quick. Your answer to that is to dump the ball off to forte and Powell with screens to exploit their LB's coverage and that's fair enough but I'm askin you what happens when some of the backers in question can drop back and you know actually cover? Rex often shows blitz but then gets some LB's to bail and drop back in coverage. I never said the deep ball was an answer to the blitz, that's a toataly separate issue, I'm was making an extra point that teams will play us the same way if we cant punish them for playing a cover zero or a single high safety with the deep ball Two separate issues. One how to play Fitz, second how a defenses attacks us with the absence of a deep threat. Exactly. The Jets had one of the most accurate QBs in NFL history, with good receivers AND a lethal back to throw to (C-Mart). How well did Pennington handle the loaded box then? Harrier is dead right - if you have no ability to throw the ball deep, teams with good secondaries will destroy you. It's really that simple. Thankfully, not all teams have great secondaries. That's how scrubs like Fitzpatrick can get to 10 wins with a loaded roster. Unfortunately, playoff teams usually DO have good defenses. Those teams will attack the Jets exactly as described. And we saw it last year!
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Post by greenwave on Jul 28, 2016 11:46:22 GMT -5
I've said enough in anger about this move...it's done now and I guess that's all wasted breath.
If I have to say something positive, then I guess it's at least good that the WRs really seem to love the guy. If Marshall actually believes that Fitz can lead him to more yards than Brown will get this year, well at least we know the guys believe in him. That can't be completely ignored.
Forte, Lee, Jenkins, Amaro, Mauldin, Williams...maybe these guys are the difference makers this year to propel the team further. Because it's not realistic to believe that the C-student we have at QB will deliver anything more than what he has in the past.
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Post by greenwave on Jul 28, 2016 9:49:44 GMT -5
I would of liked to see if the game has slowed down for Geno and if he was capable of reading defenses and making plays with his big arm to the Jets receivers. However, my gut tells me he doesn't have what it takes. Athletically, he is extremely talented and its just a damn shame. I really hoped that he would succeed and be the guy for the Jets, but unfortunately I just don't see that happening. That being said, things like this usually have a way of working themselves out through various scenarios in a 16 game season. I think we will see Geno on the field this season and it will show that it was $12M well spent for Fitz to hold the fort until either Petty or Hack get their chance. What does your gut tell you about Fitzpatrick, and his ability to take this team deep in the playoffs? There's a difference between bombing with Fitz and bombing with Geno. If Geno fails, then we see Petty and maybe even Hack this year, and can go into '17 knowing where the team stands at the position. They also would have had $12M to play around with in case that quality veteran shakes loose as a TC casualty (a tight end, maybe?). If Fitz fails, then the young guys were robbed of opportunities in training camp. Petty is probably cut before the season starts. IF Geno gets to play, he'll be coming off the bench and judged harshly as if he had been getting any work with the first team...just like he was in the OAK game last year. Then the Jets go into next offseason with only Hackenberg, and a wonderful 9-7 record to ensure they miss out on all the top talents in next year's draft. The only way this signing is a good move is if you actually believe Fitz can take this team to the AFC Championship Game. Who here (besides Bing) actually believes that?
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Post by greenwave on Jul 28, 2016 8:38:06 GMT -5
I think you are right. I expect Fitz to be the guy, but if Geno lights it up in TC and pre-season and clearly shows that he is not the same guy we watched in 2013 & 14, I would hope he gets a chance, although I think it is a long shot. My guess is Fitz's leash will be shorter than last year. Geno was out for 4 weeks so Fitz had time to pick up steam and build chemistry. When Geno came back, his ship had sailed. This year, especially with the brutal first 6 games, if he plays poorly, I wouldn't be surprised if he's yanked. $12M to play 6 games? Even if he sucks, I don't think the leash is that short. People have to save face...Fitz would have to be truly horrific to get pulled that early. And if he gets pulled, the season was wasted by a desperation move just before camp. It would be the Jets to go 0-4 to start, have Geno come in and finish 10-6...and miss the playoffs. And then lose Geno in the offseason.
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Post by greenwave on Jul 28, 2016 8:35:03 GMT -5
The Jets are going to release Geno Smith next year, and his final game as a starter with the Jets will be one where he posted a PERFECT passer rating while throwing to Decker and a bunch of nobodies. It is our fate as fans of this team that Geno latches on as a starter elsewhere after this year, just so the talking heads can point out relentlessly that we never gave the guy another shot, in favor of a retread that not ONE OTHER TEAM tried to sign in the offseason.
I wouldn't have said a word if the Jets signed Fitz right after the season. Or at least before the minicamps started. But I'm sick over the timing of this one. This team always finds a way...
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Post by greenwave on Jul 28, 2016 8:24:49 GMT -5
I expected that Fitz would sign and he did. Not thrilled about it, but I also have a hard time believing in Geno and two guys who have never thrown an NFL pass as our QBs. If Geno goes out and lights it up in this preseason, that is another story. But sitting here today, having seen two plus years of Geno, its hard for me to believe he is the answer. Not a big fan of Fitz - we know what he is and what he is has never been good enough to win consistently in the NFL. All I ask of Macc and Bowles is to let these guys compete and let the best man win the job. If Geno still sucks and Hack/Petty are clearly not ready, then I can live with Fitz. If the job is handed to Fitz and Geno is never really given a shot, that would suck. I also think that is what will happen. Nothing I can do about it but get behind whoever is under center. Geno, Fitz, whoever. I don't see a playoff team regardless, and it sucks feeling that way in July. That's the problem...there can't be a competition. You don't compete for a job when you broke records at the position the year before. It doesn't matter that most of us as fans know who this guy is. From a locker room perspective, it would be patently ridiculous to say it's an open competition for a guy who they negotiated with all off-season and who was urgently brought in the night before camp. Fitz will be the starter Week 1. People saying Geno will never be good sound really stupid when they pump up Fitz in the next breath. Fitzpatrick was terrible for 10 fucking seasons, but now he's "good." Geno was bad for 2 seasons, but he'll never be good. Fitzpatrick showed less over a decade than Geno showed in two years, but Geno has no shot at getting better. Even though he was better than Fitz in last year's camp. I'm not I know that Geno is good...but we ALL know Fitz isn't. IF Fitz is the better QB for the team this year, then all the Jets did here is pay $12M to lower their draft position. They aren't winning the SB with Ryan fucking Fitzpatrick at QB. If Geno was the better choice for this year, we won't find out until it's too late. And in typical Jets fashion, the QB with promise will be the one who's leaving after this season. Nothing about this move should excite the fan base, except for those casual fans who would rather see the team go 9-7, than to go either 6-10 with a developmental QB or 11-5 with a QB who actually has long-term potential. Congratulations, Fitz fans. We get to see this twice this year:
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Post by greenwave on Jul 20, 2016 13:41:21 GMT -5
This thread is rich with irony. A full page about an insensitive post from Harrier, which I personally did not find offensive. I grasped right away what he was driving at, with the whole, "everyone hates black people unless they're dunking a basketball or picking up first downs." The hate of course resumes once the telecast is over, if not sooner. quote] Black people don't read Internet message boards. Except world star hip hop. This last post fuckin sucks because I believe this to be a sincere generalization. The type of generalization I have to battle on a daily basis. Why I argue / fight this kind of shit I don't know, because there's obviously nothing I can do as an individual to change the impression that many have of "the blacks." All we do is watch World Star vids, collect welfare checks and protest against Whitey. Whatever you see on the news, that's all of us. And you always get the true feelings from people in anonymous situations like this. Then again, I have the audacity (maybe stubborness is more appropriate) to read the posts in this forum and still have football conversations with some of you. Maybe there is something wrong with me...
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