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Post by greenwave on Oct 19, 2016 7:21:35 GMT -5
This isn't even a debate - jury's out on Macc and they're leaning toward guilty, but Idzik is already there. The '14 draft is really all you need to know. - Takes Pryor (also a need) when at least half of Jets fans were screaming for Brandin Cooks (also a need). Compare the two players. - Jace Amaro - Found a way to draft not one, but TWO CBs in just TWO years in the first three rounds who are both so injury-prone and terrible that they may not play a combined 16 games in this league. - Jalen Saunders and Shaq Evans. From the best WR draft in recent memory. Lucks into Enunwa with his 11th pick in the draft. - Actually made 12 selections in one draft, without a single move. Let's not forget that despite having a ton of cap space, he passed on Desean Jackson as a FA. Jackson averaged 21 YPC his first season in Washington. We wouldn't be talking about how terrible Devin Smith looks right now if Idzik wasn't sitting on his ass that entire offseason. Somebody said it the other day - Mike Tannenbaum was the best GM this team has had in the last 30 years. Don't get me wrong, he had to go after the Sanchez and Tebow debacles, but look at what they've had since. Fact: Tebow was a GREAT move who never got a legitimate chance to prove himself in NY. It's because of Rex Boxo Ryan that Tebow never got a chance to start over Sanchez. Also, I would easily argue that Mangini was a superior GM to Tanny. Much better drafting record, by far. I'm not even touching the Tebow comment. Don't have the patience. I'll just politely ask you to look up what Mike Tannenbaum's role in the organization was when Eric Mangini was the head coach. Your argument might not be as easy as you would think.
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Post by greenwave on Oct 19, 2016 6:35:05 GMT -5
Oh, you CAN blame them. "Proper motivation" is not a stipulation of the multi-million dollar contracts that some of these guys sign. Do your job. But in the end there are only two choices: get rid of the players or get rid of the coaches. And since we've all seen these same players perform better in the past... the jets are the jets problem regardless if the back is the second coming of jim brown or not. looking at two td runs, it's plenty apparent that there were missed tackles, players out of position, and players being blocked out of the way. on offense the same things are seen where players aren't blocking properly or missing assignements etc. forte isn't producing largely because the oline just isn't opening holes and blocking out to the second level. is it talent? to an extent but mainly it's because of coaching and for whatever reason the jets players aren't being put in the right position or being used incorrectly. bowles? he wouldn't be the first really good coordinator who failed as a head coach. it's really too early to tell with him though. he's worked under some pretty darn good coaches in parcells and arians and he should get better. maybe he needs to let go of the defense and let his dc deal with it. I want to agree with you on Bowles. Continuity is important, and it's better for everyone if a change is ultimately not required. But when you look at the performance, it's hard not to put it on the team. Very little team hustle, which typically goes to coaching. Bowles is a former DC, who played DB in the pros. The secondary is absolutely atrocious this year, despite basically being the same unit that did a solid job the year before. No significant adjustments on either side of the ball that have made a difference. WTF is he doing with Sheldon Richardson? I guess he's trying to outdo what Rex did to Coples. Two 4th down punts against the Steelers in the 4th...no guts. Loyalty to Fitz (I can almost give him a pass on this one, thanks to Geno's ineptitude). Incredibly poor 2nd-half performances...seems he cannot inspire this team at halftime. All within 6 games. Bowles has changed the question from "why would we fire him?" to "why would we keep him?" And that's his fault.
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Post by greenwave on Oct 19, 2016 6:23:24 GMT -5
This isn't even a debate - jury's out on Macc and they're leaning toward guilty, but Idzik is already there. The '14 draft is really all you need to know.
- Takes Pryor (also a need) when at least half of Jets fans were screaming for Brandin Cooks (also a need). Compare the two players. - Jace Amaro - Found a way to draft not one, but TWO CBs in just TWO years in the first three rounds who are both so injury-prone and terrible that they may not play a combined 16 games in this league. - Jalen Saunders and Shaq Evans. From the best WR draft in recent memory. Lucks into Enunwa with his 11th pick in the draft. - Actually made 12 selections in one draft, without a single move.
Let's not forget that despite having a ton of cap space, he passed on Desean Jackson as a FA. Jackson averaged 21 YPC his first season in Washington. We wouldn't be talking about how terrible Devin Smith looks right now if Idzik wasn't sitting on his ass that entire offseason.
Somebody said it the other day - Mike Tannenbaum was the best GM this team has had in the last 30 years. Don't get me wrong, he had to go after the Sanchez and Tebow debacles, but look at what they've had since.
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Post by greenwave on Oct 19, 2016 6:09:06 GMT -5
David Johnson is also one of, if not the best, rb in the league. But yeah you can see most of the guys not giving it there all on defense. Can't blame them. Oh, you CAN blame them. "Proper motivation" is not a stipulation of the multi-million dollar contracts that some of these guys sign. Do your job. But in the end there are only two choices: get rid of the players or get rid of the coaches. And since we've all seen these same players perform better in the past...
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Post by greenwave on Oct 18, 2016 14:09:46 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind Jim Schwartz. I hated his bush league antics when he was with the Lions, but it looks like he's grown a bit. He also got that dog shit franchise to the playoffs for the first time since 1999. Once Rex's rah-rah shit wears off in the next few games the Bills will be bitching about wanting Schwartz back. Yeah, that's an interesting one. I can get behind a retread this time around - Jets have tried first-time HCs exclusively since Parcells left...maybe it's time to look for a guy who showed some promise and has hopefully learned some things. If they are insistent upon a new name, might be time to give Kyle Shanahan a shot. Nepotism aside, he's posted some good numbers and brings an offensive mind to a team that hasn't had one since...Parcells left.
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Post by greenwave on Oct 18, 2016 14:00:05 GMT -5
Tom Brady after Mo Lewis knocked Bledsoe into Week 3. Brady almost brought the Pats back that game. Don't get me wrong, your points are of course still valid, but fuck Geno. He might not have had the window to look like a boss, but he didn't have to look like a turnover-prone fuck boy either. Which he did. For the record, I thought fans were too hard on him last year after the OAK game. For the same reasons you mentioned. But it's the "I don't really know how to protect myself or the football" style of play from Geno that makes it hard to throw any support behind him. And I was all for giving him one last shot this year until Mac pulled the rug out from under us and brought in Fitz. If he plays this year, great, would rather watch him than Fitz. If he doesn't play, fuck Geno too. 1- I'm done with Fitz 2- we ought to atleast see what we've been paying for with Petty after a season and half, but he needs a couple weeks splitting reps with starters and such. I would run Geno out there for a couple games, and barring Smith going 3-0, turn it over at that time No doubt. I couldn't believe when I read this morning that Bowles was going back to Fitz...but I guess he doesn't have the luxury of doing what's right for the future since it's highly unlikely that he'll be a part of it. Which just means that we as fans get to sit in a dark room with The Gimp and wait for our turn. As usual.
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Post by greenwave on Oct 18, 2016 13:41:01 GMT -5
. geno had his chance and just reverted to form. Omg get over yourself. Some of you are willingfully stupid or just plain morons. Look, I agree it's time to get a look at Petty soon. Fuck, throw Hack the wolves too.... but spare me the bullshit homo narrative that Geno was "true to form" last night. What backup QB anywhere in the NFL comes off the bench late in the game down 25 in obvious throw-every-down situation -- and plays like a boss?? Who the fuck looks great in that situation Tom Brady after Mo Lewis knocked Bledsoe into Week 3. Brady almost brought the Pats back that game. Don't get me wrong, your points are of course still valid, but fuck Geno. He might not have had the window to look like a boss, but he didn't have to look like a turnover-prone fuck boy either. Which he did. For the record, I thought fans were too hard on him last year after the OAK game. For the same reasons you mentioned. But it's the "I don't really know how to protect myself or the football" style of play from Geno that makes it hard to throw any support behind him. And I was all for giving him one last shot this year until Mac pulled the rug out from under us and brought in Fitz. If he plays this year, great, would rather watch him than Fitz. If he doesn't play, fuck Geno too.
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Post by greenwave on Oct 18, 2016 10:21:55 GMT -5
I had to avert my eyes and missed Geno''s antics. Did I miss anything? I didn't see it but read about it. After Fitz threw the pick Geno flung a cup of ice in disgust and then picked up a ball and started warming up. Which would have made Geno coming in and driving the team down for a score a nice way to end an otherwise awful first 6 weeks of the year. But to pitch a fit and then mirror the same incompetence on the field... Jets football in a nutshell.
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Post by greenwave on Oct 18, 2016 9:28:46 GMT -5
It's bad enough that GeNope is too brain dead to play any kind of competent football with any consistency without turnovers etc. But the sideline crap showing up Fitzy (yes he sucks too) is a reminder of what an immature piece of shit cancer GeNope is. I don't give a damn about his potential. Getting rid of this turd is addition by subtraction. I didn't have nearly as big a problem with his sideline antics. While never what you want, at least it was rooted in what looked like passion to play. What I have a problem with is being all vocal on the sideline, getting your shot, and then being equally fucking worthless as the guy you replaced. Sit down and shut the fuck up unless you are a better option - Geno isn't one.
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Post by greenwave on Oct 18, 2016 9:24:11 GMT -5
There's no heart on this team.. Buster looked like he had other things to do last night. It makes me ill to see the Bills whoopin it up etc... The comraderie is gone. and so is this chapter in Jets history. 5 undeniable points here. Last night showed that Bowles has lost this team...if he ever had it. He can't be fired soon enough.
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Post by greenwave on Oct 18, 2016 9:07:15 GMT -5
Cut him. Wasted roster spot He is a waste. Yesterday was a layup for him - just go down the field against a two-minute defense and don't pull a Fitzpatrick. What does he do...
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Post by greenwave on Oct 18, 2016 7:36:40 GMT -5
You're a survivor. Thank you. When the jets finally stumble upon a franchise QB and go on a 15 year playoff run with multiple SB wins, it will be that much more sweet for me. They've only had 1 in about 60 years...I'm honestly glad you still have the ability to keep that hope, and you go back a few years farther than me.
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Post by greenwave on Oct 18, 2016 6:58:01 GMT -5
In my teens / early 20s, I didn't really have many passions outside of football. I was a guy who could tell you who the backup DEs on the Cardinals were, complete with stat lines. Over the years of watching this team find new and inventive ways to lose games, that excitement over the game has eroded to almost nothing. I don't even enjoy Jets games anymore - it's just a lot of sitting around waiting for them to find another way to fuck it up. It's like I watch out of habit more than anything else at this point.
I'm ashamed to admit it, but they beat me. It used to be a badge of honor to ride with these losers, knowing they'd eventually turn it around and the day of victory would be that much sweeter. I'm so jaded over this team at this point, I don't even know how much I'll enjoy a SB win. The SOJ in me says that on that miracle event where they actually do reach the Super Bowl, they'll end up dropping the game 6-2 or some BS score like that. To the Lions.
Fuck this team.
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Post by greenwave on Oct 17, 2016 12:43:52 GMT -5
Cards 23 Jets 20
Jets are driving for the win tied at 20, but a bad snap from Nick Mangold (because, Jets) is recovered by the Cards with less than a minute to play.
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Post by greenwave on Sept 26, 2016 6:55:53 GMT -5
I shouldn't have put Lynch's or even Hack's name in the thread - it detracts from the point, and makes it about them. When the band aide is all used up and begins to be a burden, you want to turn to the young guy you've been hiding. We spend all of 2015 "scouting"... and here we are. On a week where NE finds a way to get what they need out of a 3rd round project, we couldn't seem to get anything out of a 12 mil dollar signee and staff who had 10 days to prepare for the most predictable offense in america. The final sentence in this post epitomizes my 30+ years as a Jets fan. This franchise has actually eaten away at my love for the game over the years...it's not that they lose, it's how they lose. How can you play like this 10 days after your best offensive performance in over a decade? On a day where everyone else in the AFCE wins, this is what we get from the Jets. They didn't HAVE to win in Arrowhead, that's always a tough task. But they could have played like they belong in a playoff conversation. Can't we at least get that? The only event that could bring a smile to my face today is if the AFC snatched Fitz's player-of-the-week award and gave it to someone else. Fuck him, and fuck Mac too. Every TD Lynch throws in the NFL is a direct hit to his credibility unless Hackenberg becomes a stud.
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